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Congress pushes for Russia sanctions, Ukrainian aid
USA Today | March 1, 2014

Posted on 03/01/2014 5:25:56 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Led by Manchurian candidate and old warhorse himself Senator John McCain, of course. Calls for immediate actions against Russia (even though admitting Obama, not unlike himself, is incompetent, incapable, impotent and incontinent).

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/03/01/congress-response-to-ukraine-crisis/5926691/


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: arizona; georgesoros; johnmccain; obama; putin; russia; senatorjohnmccain; senatormccain; ukraine; viktoryanukovich; war; yuliatymoshenko

1 posted on 03/01/2014 5:25:56 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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Linky poo:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/03/01/congress-response-to-ukraine-crisis/5926691/


2 posted on 03/01/2014 5:26:52 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

McPain the RINO who else.


3 posted on 03/01/2014 5:30:52 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Jim Robinson

The US might vote to give some foreign aid to Ukraine (like the token aid for Georgia) but they aren’t going to sanction Russia in any real way. We going to send them some mothballed A-10 Warthogs?


4 posted on 03/01/2014 5:31:11 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Lets see, aid factions that want to put Ukraine under the thumb of a Russian tribal post comkunist warlord, or factions that want to help Ukraine be devoured by the ravenous financially collapsing European socialist state.

Hmmm.

Don’t see any course that is beneficial either to the Ukrainians or the US at this point. Two years ago probably. even nine months ago at a long shot. But not now.


5 posted on 03/01/2014 5:31:11 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Are we sending at least 25 Army divisions, strategic bombers, special forces, attack helicopters, all our Marines and 10 squadrons of fighters and 1,000 tanks? Because if we’re not, whatever we’re doing is futile.


6 posted on 03/01/2014 5:31:32 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: MrEdd

Communist


7 posted on 03/01/2014 5:31:45 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Jim Robinson

But when McCain was running for President he went on and on about debt and cutting the deficit. So now he wants the US to bolster up the bankrupt Ukraine?


8 posted on 03/01/2014 5:32:24 PM PST by BusterBear
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To: Jim Robinson

A) I imagine sanctioning Russia is pretty difficult because its economy is so large

B) How would China react?

C) How could Russia retaliate?


9 posted on 03/01/2014 5:33:57 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Do you recall that in a thread just a few months ago we had idiots arguing that the time for the A10 and weapons platforms like it was past...because all wars from now on were going to be “Asymmetrical”?


10 posted on 03/01/2014 5:34:28 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim, this is saying this is going to cost us $$ according to the article. Should have known, this was simply another way to bleed our treasury dry. Dang, those fools on the hill. Am so tired of our blood and treasury being sacrificed for nothing by those on the hill.


11 posted on 03/01/2014 5:34:57 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: BusterBear

Seems to me that the EU should pony up the aid.


12 posted on 03/01/2014 5:35:22 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: BusterBear

If we bail out Ukraine, we’ll sink ourselves further into debt. Why can’t Germany do it?


13 posted on 03/01/2014 5:35:25 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: MrEdd

I thought the wars were going to be perpendicular?


14 posted on 03/01/2014 5:35:51 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Jim Robinson

Sanctions are possible and should be instituted. Mikheil Saakashvili in this morning’s WSJ says that the last time he was in Miami, there were crowds of Russian oligarchs there vacationing. He said, deny them visas and they’ll turn on Putin.


15 posted on 03/01/2014 5:37:05 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Are we sending at least 25 Army divisions, strategic bombers, special forces, attack helicopters, all our Marines and 10 squadrons of fighters and 1,000 tanks? Because if we’re not, whatever we’re doing is futile.

Maybe Obama will send them a million copies of the Liberator zip gun.

16 posted on 03/01/2014 5:39:41 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Jim Robinson

An option that I posted on another thread:
“Don’t overlook the possibility of a divided Ukraine. The eastern half going back to Russia, and the west staying independent.”
The east is more Russian speaking, and connected to Russia, then the western half.


17 posted on 03/01/2014 5:39:52 PM PST by AlexW
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To: Jim Robinson
Can we find a way to sanction Arizona for reelecting McCain? It would cost a lot less of our tax dollars.

Better yet...tell the people in the EU who provoked this mess to clean it up. Leave the US out of it.

18 posted on 03/01/2014 5:40:28 PM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: AlexW

That’s the only option I see at this point.


19 posted on 03/01/2014 5:40:42 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Jim Robinson

As I said earlier, canceling the recently announced defense cuts is the first step to announce. Also, Putin would pick up on a readiness order to select military units. Obama will pass more gas.


20 posted on 03/01/2014 5:41:12 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: MrEdd
Lets see, aid factions that want to put Ukraine under the thumb of a Russian tribal post comkunist warlord, or factions that want to help Ukraine be devoured by the ravenous financially collapsing European socialist state.

this has been my struggle as well. My feeling is that we should, once again, bail out the Europeans. That said, I'm a little tired of supporting military actions in wars waged by democrats while they do their best to undermind the same thing when it's a GOP initiated action.
21 posted on 03/01/2014 5:41:27 PM PST by tfecw (It's for the children)
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To: BusterBear
This confirms mccain is working with our enemies to bleed our treasury dry. One of the first objectives to tearing down a strong competitor is to bleed away resources and their treasury and weaken that competitor through economic collapse. The enemy is patient and our political people are helping the enemy to collapse the United States economically.
22 posted on 03/01/2014 5:42:07 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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Less than $4.3k to go!!

23 posted on 03/01/2014 5:49:09 PM PST by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Jim Robinson
Members of Congress called for immediate sanctions against
Russia and an emergency aid package for Ukraine

"Why is it that every time the president and congress
decide to teach some foreigner a lesson I am the one
who gets screwed and end up payimg the bill?"


24 posted on 03/01/2014 6:08:26 PM PST by Iron Munro (Albert Einstein: The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: Viennacon
I imagine sanctioning Russia is pretty difficult because its economy is so large

Not as large as some might think. Its economy is smaller than Brazil's and about the size of Italy's.

In fact, if we were to exclude oil and gas exports, the Russian economy would probably compare to about Australia, perhaps a little bigger.

The problem is that much of Europe relies on Russian gas. Russia has them over a barrel, so to speak, and so it's hard to imagine the Europeans would actually impose sanctions.

25 posted on 03/01/2014 6:08:47 PM PST by Meet the New Boss
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To: tfecw
My feeling is that European socialists funded Obama the same way the Chinese funded the Clintons. Nothing is going to stop the implosion of their welfare state after which they will be at war with the Islamists they got surgically attached to and which they will no longer be able to buy off.

Their answer as always will be another xenophobic purge of all unassimilated aliens.

There is nothing to be gained by helping Europe here.
Not for us.
Not for the Ukrainians.
Not even for Europe in the long run.

26 posted on 03/01/2014 6:12:17 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Effe McDemocRat. He’s an NVA sellout.


27 posted on 03/01/2014 6:16:29 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: Iron Munro

We’re broke as it is. Keep our money at home. Why help out a bunch of Nazi thugs and the descendants of Nazi lovers and Jew killers from WW II. Current Ukrainian regime are anti-Semites who played the West. Fudge the EU anyway.


28 posted on 03/01/2014 6:20:56 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: Revolting cat!

>>Sanctions are possible and should be instituted. Mikheil Saakashvili in this morning’s WSJ says that the last time he was in Miami, there were crowds of Russian oligarchs there vacationing. He said, deny them visas and they’ll turn on Putin.<<

I guess they’ll probably invest elsewhere. Russian elites aren’t as cosmopolitan as one can think.


29 posted on 03/01/2014 6:38:36 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: Revolting cat!
Sanctions are possible and should be instituted.

No they shouldn't. I'm tired of our economy being crippled by feelgood measures that are technically acts of war.

Never thought I'd say this, but I'm now for lifting sanctions against Cuba. And Iran. We're just hurting ourselves and victims of those regimes. And I wouldn't mind seeing $2 gas.

If you believe in freedom, the idea that the government can tell you who to trade with is nauseating.

30 posted on 03/01/2014 6:47:15 PM PST by Forgotten Amendments (I remember when a President having an "enemies list" was a scandal. Now, they have a kill list.)
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To: cripplecreek

These issues should have been properly addressed back in 1992-93.


31 posted on 03/01/2014 6:48:54 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Forgotten Amendments
I'm tired

Get some rest. Who said anything about government telling anyone who can trade or not?

32 posted on 03/01/2014 6:49:42 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Congress pushes for Russia sanctions, Ukrainian aid

This will be over in a week. I wouldn't be surprised if Steinmeier isn't on his way to Moscow right now.

33 posted on 03/01/2014 6:54:47 PM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Viennacon
Why can’t Germany do it?

Because the well-being of the Ukraine is the last thing in the world that Germany cares about.

34 posted on 03/01/2014 6:56:25 PM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Forgotten Amendments

I’m not a fan of sanctions either. Just another source of cronyism.

Our state department has given literally 10s of thousands of waivers to get around Iran sanctions over the years.


35 posted on 03/01/2014 6:59:20 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Jim Robinson

What’s the over/under on the number of Sunday shows McCain will be on? MEET THE PRESS, FACE THE NATION, FOX NEWS SUNDAY, THIS WEEK, and the CNN one I can’t remember. That’s a total of five:

My line -— 3.5

You taking the over or under?

(Conspicuous in his absence will be McCain’s little Smithers, who will be back in South Carolina pretending to be conservative for the next few months).


36 posted on 03/01/2014 7:36:37 PM PST by Forgotten Amendments (I remember when a President having an "enemies list" was a scandal. Now, they have a kill list.)
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To: Jim Robinson

There are things we can do that won’t cost us a dime.

Freeze their assets, impose travel restrictions, expedite plans to get our natural gas to European markets...


37 posted on 03/01/2014 7:36:37 PM PST by Rob the Ugly Dude
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To: Rob the Ugly Dude
Freeze their assets, impose travel restrictions, expedite plans to get our natural gas to European markets...

Why is it so important to us to force the Ukraine to go all in with the EU when only half the country wants to go in that direction?

38 posted on 03/01/2014 7:39:39 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Jim Robinson

I’m trying to recall a thought process McCain ever had where he was right, made sense, and didn’t help the Democrats in any fashion.

I’m drawing a blank here.

So far he’s batting a thousand in support of George Soros.


39 posted on 03/01/2014 8:58:29 PM PST by Dogbert41 (Up yours NSA !)
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