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Student Loans Are Ruining Your Life. Now They’re Ruining the Economy: Over One Trillion in Debt
TIME ^ | 02/27/2014 | By Sam Frizell

Posted on 03/01/2014 6:51:40 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Chris Rong did everything right. A 23-year-old dentistry student in New York, Chris excelled at one of the country’s top high schools, breezed through college, and is now studying dentistry at one of the best dental schools in the nation.

But it may be a long time before he sees any rewards. He’s moved back home with his parents in Bayside, Queens—an hour-and-a-half commute each way to class at the New York University’s College of Dentistry—and by the time he graduates in 2016, he’ll face $400,000 in student loans. “If the money weren’t a problem I would live on my own,” says Rong. “My debt is hanging over my mind. I’m taking that all on myself.”

Rong isn’t alone. Across the country, students are taking on increasingly large amounts of debt to pay for heftier education tuitions. Figures released last week by the Federal Reserve of New York show that aggregate student loans nationwide have continued to rise. At the end of 2003, American students and graduates owed just $253 billion in aggregate debt; by the end of 2013, American students’ debt had ballooned to a total of $1.08 trillion, an increase of over 300%. In the past year alone, aggregate student debt grew 10%. By comparison, overall debt grew just 43% in the last decade and 1.6% over the past year.

According to a December study by the Institute for College Access & Success, seven out of 10 students in the class of 2012 graduated with student loans, and the average amount of debt among students who owed was $29,400. There’s no clear end in sight. ”The total amount of student debt is growing basically at a constant rate,” Wilbert van der Klaauw, an economist with the Federal Reserve Bank of New York tells TIME.

(Excerpt) Read more at business.time.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: college; debt; economy; studentloans; tuition

1 posted on 03/01/2014 6:51:40 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Prediction: a certain hack politician who is proud to have a pen and a phone will try to issue an executive order “forgiving” some or all of it.

Probably on the eve of a critical election.


2 posted on 03/01/2014 6:54:44 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Let me guess, White House Santa is going to forgive them all?


3 posted on 03/01/2014 6:55:18 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: SeekAndFind

4 posted on 03/01/2014 6:56:09 PM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: SeekAndFind

There are better ways to train the young for demanding and highly skilled careers than how we’re doing it.


5 posted on 03/01/2014 6:56:39 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Jonty30

The world needs ditch diggers, too.


6 posted on 03/01/2014 6:57:05 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Slavery is the name of the game.


7 posted on 03/01/2014 6:57:16 PM PST by Noumenon (Resistance. Restoration. Retribution.)
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To: dfwgator

8 posted on 03/01/2014 6:59:03 PM PST by EEGator
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To: SeekAndFind
I train field biologists, virtually all of whom are in their twenties.

They are ALL in debt due to college loans. ALL OF THEM!

It mortifies me. I have no words of advice to them. What can I say?

Obama's Amerikkka is absolutely ruinous.

9 posted on 03/01/2014 6:59:54 PM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: SeekAndFind
he’ll face $400,000 in student loans

Did he not sign one of those truth in lending statements, where the principal and interest blare like clarions from a thousand trumpets atop the page? Four hundred grand? Chris, your last name is a clue.
10 posted on 03/01/2014 7:00:05 PM PST by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: dfwgator

Does the military spend $400,000, or more, per person to get transmit the highest level of skills to its workforce?

I doubt that, yet they seem to get some pretty impressive results.


11 posted on 03/01/2014 7:00:41 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: SeekAndFind

2 years in community college: $5,000
2 years at state university: $20,000

About the price of a brand new car.


12 posted on 03/01/2014 7:01:06 PM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: Jonty30

I’ve never thought of that before, but you are right: The military gets impressive results for far less money.


13 posted on 03/01/2014 7:02:11 PM PST by CodeToad (Keeping whites from talking about blacks is verbal segregation!)
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To: SeekAndFind

At least Dr. Rong chose a career path. And at least, for now, the government cannot put limits on what he gets paid. It’s far worse for the Womyn’s Queer Islamic Theory grads.


14 posted on 03/01/2014 7:03:32 PM PST by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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15 posted on 03/01/2014 7:05:45 PM PST by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: dfwgator
The world needs ditch diggers, too.

True, but we also need dentists and it shouldn't cost $400,000 to get a degree in dentistry. That's just ridiculous!

We're going to wind up importing a bunch of Filipino "dentists" on H-1B visas because we don't have enough of our own --because our own can't afford to go to dental school.

16 posted on 03/01/2014 7:06:20 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Sooth2222

I have five years before my child faces this monster. HOPEFULLY the whole maddening circus collapses before then.


17 posted on 03/01/2014 7:07:19 PM PST by catbertz
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To: Sooth2222

The reality is very different from your chart.

1. The cost of living is adjusted for quality.
2. The medical cost and college tuition is not.
3. The list price for medical and college is only about 50% of what most people pay out of pocket.

For example, at Harvard and Stanford, if your parents make less than 60,000 per year, you pay nothing except for travel. You don’t pay for books, tuition or room and board.

Furthermore, medical charges are generally based on a “sliding scale” that is incomprehensible to me but I usually pay about 40 times what a poor person pays.


18 posted on 03/01/2014 7:09:52 PM PST by staytrue
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To: CodeToad

My personal belief is that, with the proper support, you can probably learn as much or more just doing the job than you can in a formalized education system and that goes for nearly every single job out there.

That is not to say that you hire people for positions that they aren’t qualified to do, but start them at the bottom and let them prove themselves into higher skilled positions. This can be done for a fraction of how much it is costing us now.


19 posted on 03/01/2014 7:12:10 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: catbertz

Only saving grace for my kid is he finish his bachelors and masters in four years. And he already has a paid internship in his field.


20 posted on 03/01/2014 7:13:56 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Insurgent Conservative)
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To: SeekAndFind

Just paid my student loans off. I could’ve taken bigger ones to go to more expensive institutions but I didnt and I’m glad I didn’t. I make an excellent salary and I’m well on my way to becoming a partner at the company I work for. Too many have bought into that education must be expensive and prestigious to be effective and while there are some professions where that is true there are plenty where there is little difference in the end result.

I am recommending to my kids that they take a graduated realistic approach. We homeschool and my oldest, my daughter 16, tested into advanced college english and at a senior level in math and is excellent across the board. She is taking college courses at a local community college to get any preparatory classes she might need out of the way. She plans on going to a state university nearby and working while going to school. It wasn’t even my idea. She wants to do it. She will be a success because of her attitude, hard work, and intelligence. I’m just thankful I don’t have the issues that some of the parents I talk to do. She won’t have to work as hard as she intends to because I’m going to make sure she has what she needs but its a good feeling knowing that she would work as hard as it took regardless of my financial situation. That is what success is made of.


21 posted on 03/01/2014 7:15:25 PM PST by Maelstorm
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To: Flycatcher

“They are ALL in debt due to college loans. ALL OF THEM!”

They’re morons. Back then, I took out a loan for my freshman year at uni. It was explained nicely by the cute chick who made me sign it how much I will owe. I vowed to pay off the whole year and grab cash jobs on the side. I had every “odd” job imaginable from escort driver, telemarketer for fake lotteries, and the best one of all: strip club DJ.

I knew more about the intricacies of running a business from the madam I worked for, which was applicable to my business major. But the strip club DJ was the best. For a 21 year old spinning/entertaining a crowd while naked women prance around on a pole was heaven.


22 posted on 03/01/2014 7:38:52 PM PST by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Jonty30
My personal belief is that, with the proper support, you can probably learn as much or more just doing the job than you can in a formalized education system and that goes for nearly every single job out there.

With "proper support" being the key words, I think you're correct with a lot of occupations. Even with some of the two year degrees, I don't see why someone has to go to MEDTECH school to work as a secretary in a doctor's office.

Being in construction I can see what construction management degrees are doing to the industry; they result in taking young smart kids who would have benefited from going straight to work at 18 years old rather than accumulating all that debt and not earning and income simultaneously. They could have used their brains and their hands, instead they're just pushing pencils and walking around in their North Face fleeces and penny loafers with ridiculous project expectations that illuminate their inexperience.

23 posted on 03/01/2014 7:46:18 PM PST by CommieCutter ("For an idea to be too simplistic, it must first be proven wrong" --Thomas Sowell)
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To: icwhatudo
2 years in community college: $5,000 2 years at state university: $20,000

About the price of a brand new car.

That is exactly what both my son and daughter (both honor students) are doing with little to no financial hardship. They both have jobs too.

24 posted on 03/01/2014 7:47:44 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: CommieCutter

That’s the key word, proper support.

Unfortunately the business culture in America has chosen to dump all the responsibility of training on the person wanting the job and has created a situation where they take little responsibility in ensuring its workers are adequately trained.

It may be great for the bottom line, because businesses aren’t spending anymore money than they have to on their workers, but it’s putting the average American worker at a competitive disadvantage compared to workers worldwide.


25 posted on 03/01/2014 7:54:50 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: BenLurkin

Quite possibly. What do you want to bet they’ll forgive only those who are members of the ‘right’ groups or political party?


26 posted on 03/01/2014 7:55:59 PM PST by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: Inyo-Mono

I have 4 kids. I put all of them thru private schools and three of them thru college. The non grad has a lucrative painting business, two of the other three have well paying jobs and the last is a stay at home mom.

No college loans. All went thru community college and state colleges.


27 posted on 03/01/2014 7:57:50 PM PST by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: SeekAndFind

At least he can take comfort that a chunk of that $400k went into political donations to fund the election of Democrats. Or not.


28 posted on 03/01/2014 7:57:57 PM PST by WeatherGuy
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To: umgud

That’s great! There is another way.


29 posted on 03/01/2014 8:03:51 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: catbertz
If you throw money at an institution, it will find a way to spend it. That's just normal institutional behavior. By making nearly limitless funds available, the gov't loan programs have caused the tuition inflation problem.

The easiest way to make anything incredibly expensive is to ask congress design a program to make it "affordable". ("Affordable Care Act")

30 posted on 03/01/2014 8:08:24 PM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: staytrue

Harvard and Stanford aren’t representative of education in general, and they are not nearly as generous as you indicate.


31 posted on 03/01/2014 8:11:20 PM PST by bone52
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To: Jonty30
I went to the military after high school and never had a student loan. I was making six-figure income 10 years after my discharge.

These kids are crazy, putting themselves into debt like this. Unless you are going into a true profession (law, medicine, engineering etc.), in which you will make a very large income very quickly, you are better off entering the military. The military will give you the discipline and work ethic to work yourself up the career ladder quickly.

32 posted on 03/01/2014 8:15:31 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: SamAdams76

Trade or Technical School is very underrated as well. Being an electrician, an arborist, construction, or HVAC specialist is really needed in today’s world, and who knows, for some people, this might be the right way to go. Sure, it wasn’t easy, sure, I had to get educated all over again, but it was better that than get stuck in looking for jobs related directly to what I did, yet still make an OK income, and still have a decently supplied family. But I will agree, the military is an alright option for those who are physically fit and in the right niche to do so. And it is so true that so many kids didn’t need to all get the top notch expense in their education, they really don’t. You never know, a technical trade might be the right thing for some people. I can tell you that working with electricity does involve you having a brain, especially where your safety and that of others is concerned.


33 posted on 03/01/2014 9:00:58 PM PST by Morpheus2009
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To: SeekAndFind
the colleges have raised their rates far above the rate of inflation for almost 2 decades...the professors don't really teach, they have student teachers do it...the same crony companies print books up and sell them at outrageous prices and these books are forced on the students...

let's see now...we have prima donna football and basketball players...we have classes such as "sex with dead animals"....we give illegals free tuition....

what could possibly go wrong...

the worse part is they're still pushing college as a big paycheck....so many college grads working in totally different areas....and then they also push getting your masters, and your phd...

34 posted on 03/01/2014 10:46:54 PM PST by cherry
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Turning personal debt into federal debt is going to help how?

The again, these fools probably will.


35 posted on 03/01/2014 10:51:32 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have had several kids make the college choice, and money is (and should be) a factor in that decision.

Harvard, Yale, and Princeton are probably worth $55k a year, in the right career. However, for dentistry, it’s just as good to go to a state school. How many patients care where their dentist graduated?

Private colleges outside the top tier? There are few situations in which it makes sense to pay $50k a year for a private education that is not significantly different from what one could get at the local state college for a third the price (or less).

I have no sympathy for those who take on $400k in debt. If you’ve got a Harvard Law or Johns Hopkins Medicine degree, and the elite skills they imply, you’ll be just fine financially. Otherwise, those who accumulate that much debt have made stupid choices and should pay the consequences of their mistake rather than passing their debts on to more frugal neighbors and taxpayers.


36 posted on 03/02/2014 1:14:30 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The candy store is about to open it’s doors again. Higher ed is a criminal organization run by the commies and now subsidized by our tax dollars. They are taught communist, socialist, marxists ideals under the progressive tilte, how to dispise this country and work to change it thru community organizing agenda’s and tactics. An army of useful idiots that will help thier masters until thier usefulness is needed no longer


37 posted on 03/02/2014 4:10:14 AM PST by ronnie raygun (zippy the a##clown sez..............................)
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To: SeekAndFind

The cost of attending college is directly linked to the Government money wasted on it.

The more money the college gets...the higher the salary for all, the higher the salary, the higher the number of college employees, the higher the number of college employees, the higher the cost for students, the higher the cost for students, the greater need to borrow money to attend college, the greater the need for money, the greater “assistance” the government will provide, the higher the debt of the graduate, and..........finally.........forgiveness of the debt by government under a liberal regime. (That’s to come)


38 posted on 03/02/2014 4:35:56 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: BenLurkin

I’m doubtful about the forgiveness option.

Why? Because blacks and Hispanics aren’t heavy borrowers. They get scholarships to schools above their capacity, and if they graduate, it’s without the typical debt load whites and Asians carry.


39 posted on 03/02/2014 6:51:38 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("Income Inequality?" Let's start with Washington DC vs. the rest of the nation!)
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To: Flycatcher

Is there a relationship between what you charge for your services and the amount of debt these consumers of services are piling up?


40 posted on 03/02/2014 8:44:39 AM PST by Mark was here (If I had a Rodeo Clown he would look like Barak Obama.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Government is the problem. Over and over again it steps in the “fix” something and then we have to fix the fix and so on and so forth.


41 posted on 03/03/2014 4:59:25 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Drew68

Allow apprenticeships and this problem goes away. It’s government licensing and regulatory requirements that created this mess.


42 posted on 03/03/2014 5:01:31 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Jonty30

-— There are better ways to train the young for demanding and highly skilled careers than how we’re doing it. -—

Yes, but education isn’t always the purpose of schooling.


43 posted on 03/03/2014 5:01:50 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: CommieCutter

-— They could have used their brains and their hands, instead they’re just pushing pencils and walking around in their North Face fleeces and penny loafers with ridiculous project expectations that illuminate their inexperience. -—

That’s funny.

The thing is, internships and apprenticeships are slavery, while running up $400k in debt, is not. Go figure.


44 posted on 03/03/2014 5:08:01 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: SeekAndFind

When Obama nationalized Sallie Mae, this was bound to happen.

Every he touches results in a massive failure to be hung on the neck of future generations.


45 posted on 03/06/2014 5:46:05 AM PST by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the Whitehouse.)
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