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Idaho Fish and Game kills 23 wolves in Lolo Pass area
Missoulian ^ | 3/1/14 | AP article

Posted on 03/01/2014 9:59:06 PM PST by Valpal1

BOISE, Idaho — Idaho wildlife officials have killed 23 wolves in northern Idaho in an effort to boost the number of elk in the region.

The Idaho Fish and Game announced Friday afternoon that the animals were killed by USDA Wildlife Service agents using a helicopter in the Lolo elk zone near the Montana border. It's the sixth time the agency has taken action to kill wolves in the Lolo zone in the past four years, bringing the total number of wolves killed there to 48. The efforts are part of the state's predator management plan, which calls for killing wolves when the Fish and Game Department determines they are causing conflicts with people or domestic animals or that they are a significant factor in declining numbers of elk or deer.

(Excerpt) Read more at missoulian.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: Idaho
KEYWORDS: environmental; wolves

1 posted on 03/01/2014 9:59:06 PM PST by Valpal1
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To: SJackson

ping.


2 posted on 03/01/2014 10:01:53 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Valpal1

I wonder if they cleared it with PETA first?


3 posted on 03/01/2014 10:39:49 PM PST by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: Valpal1

Helicopters have been used for generations for this work, but the media pretended that it was unique to Governor Palin, and that somehow it was evil.


4 posted on 03/01/2014 10:43:48 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: Valpal1

What is going on? Is this a private hunt club?


5 posted on 03/01/2014 10:50:31 PM PST by healy61
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To: Valpal1

Pretty country down there. At this rate we’re going to need an elk re-introduction program by the time the decade’s done.


6 posted on 03/01/2014 10:57:31 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Valpal1

I’ve been gold prospecting in the Lolo Pass area the past two summers. Haven’t seen any elk or any sign of them. The people who live there are really suffering - no meat for their families and no hunters spending money on elk hunts.

As soon as the sainted wolves wipe out their wild prey they start going after domestic animals and people. That’s the reason they were wiped out 100 years ago. I’d like to meet the moron who thought it would be a good idea to bring them back. He wouldn’t like meeting me.


7 posted on 03/01/2014 11:11:06 PM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED.)
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To: Valpal1

Actually it is a poor use of the money. Put a bounty on the wolves of $500 -$1000.


8 posted on 03/01/2014 11:23:12 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Valpal1
Good news. Too damn many wolves. The wolves are not native to Idaho. They sport kill elk and moose.
9 posted on 03/01/2014 11:28:14 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Eagles6
A couple years back there were 2,000 wolf tags issued. Hunters actually harvested 200 wolves. Not as easy as it seems. The 200 were evenly distributed across Idaho. My 30-06 was ready to go, but I was stuck writing software in San Diego when the opportunity arrived.
10 posted on 03/01/2014 11:31:11 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Valpal1
Good. Kill 'em all. They are an invasive species.

However, the Northern Rocky Mountains wolf was not, at the time of the initial drafting, recognized as a legitimate subspecies, so the wolves involved in the plan were instead the Great Plains wolf and the Mackenzie Valley wolf.

Wikipedia: Northern Rocky Mountains Wolf #The Northern Rocky Mountain Wolf Recovery Plan

The 'Timber Wolf' as known by us in these parts is elusive, prone to small packs or mated pairs, and has been here all along (with burgeoning elk herds). Protect THEM, and I am all for it - but that requires the elimination of these introduced interlopers, who do not belong here.

11 posted on 03/01/2014 11:38:23 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Myrddin

But was there a bounty?


12 posted on 03/01/2014 11:42:02 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Billthedrill

Every time this re-introduction non-sense is pulled by the gov’t, they screw something else up.

Gov’t minded folks can’t figure out that they cannot do better than nature, whether it be managing animals or tinkering in financial markets.


13 posted on 03/01/2014 11:43:53 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: Myrddin

BTW 30-06 is the rifle I walk around with. Winchester Model 70.


14 posted on 03/01/2014 11:45:50 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: 43north
Boom and Bust, the true balance of nature when wolves are involved. Once the wolves work the ungulates down to 10% of what the land could support, then the wolves starve, eat each other too. Trouble is the land stagnates, elk & moose are non-existent, people have to stop hunting the area.

I hunted that area, maybe 50-60 miles outta Missoulla 25-30 years back, we always killed Elk. I hear there ain't one to be found today.

15 posted on 03/02/2014 5:27:22 AM PST by Eska
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To: Eska

I absolutely detest humans who treat wolves like they are some kind of deity. Those humans are some kind of moron. Wolves are ruthless predators and will often kill just for fun. There are pictures to prove that.

I’ve never been one to hunt grazers but I love to hunt predators of the 4 legged variety. Tried to kill one of the god-like wild canines last winter down near Avery, ID with friends. Saw lots of wolf tracks but never saw a live animal. Didn’t see any elk or deer tracks either.


16 posted on 03/02/2014 9:00:50 AM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED.)
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To: 43north

Yes and not to mention the wolves that have been re-introduced are huge Canadian timberwolves which were not indigenous to Idaho in the first place.


17 posted on 03/02/2014 10:16:25 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: 43north

Live along the upper Yukon, we got too many wolves too; decreasing moose numbers. I got a few on my game cam last fall before the snow. I’ve had the buggers in my garbage cans at 3 am in November. Had them trying to eat my sled dogs, ran out on the porch with my AR blasting away. I don’t have any luck with my fox pro. My one buddy got a 140 lber this winter up haul road. They drive, when see caribou tracks, glass. Saw 9 wolves single filing it towards road. They got out sat down in snow, wolves crossed 50 yards from them, got three. I once again forget how to post picts? My kids call them in with rabbit squealers at school bus stop in September, wolves stand in woods across the road, look kids over, never cross.


18 posted on 03/02/2014 10:21:07 AM PST by Eska
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To: Eagles6

Great choice. I built a T/C Encore with 26” barrel and
topped with quality glass in 30-06. Just enough rds fired
to sight it at 100 yds. Not doing much shooting while on
this long trip to San Diego.


19 posted on 03/02/2014 10:25:20 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Jet Jaguar

Idiots! If our immigrant ancestors were as stupid as these PETA protestors, none of them would be alive today. When predator animals begin to decimate another group of animals, mankind can step in and fix the situation.


20 posted on 03/02/2014 10:27:20 AM PST by Gumdrop (Q)
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To: Myrddin

That looks like an interesting bang stick. I’ll have to check it out.


21 posted on 03/02/2014 12:06:21 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Eagles6
Very versatile. I have both Encore and Contender G2 frames. Always buy the pistol config. You can build pistol or rifle configs from the pistol frame. If the frame came with the serial number registered as a rifle from the factory, it is rifle only from the ATF perspective. The Form 4473 will reflect the pistol serial number registered with the ATF and require being 21 or older to make the purchase. Details, but important details if you want the best bang for the buck.
22 posted on 03/02/2014 10:23:35 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

Very important details. Thanks.


23 posted on 03/02/2014 10:39:26 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Eska

Well, at least no 35 to 40 old elk. Thanks for killin’ all the good ones!


24 posted on 03/02/2014 10:59:08 PM PST by RedHeeler
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To: Valpal1

http://www.chonday.com/Videos/wolfrivers2


25 posted on 03/06/2014 10:41:30 AM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office. Ted Cruz/Phil Robertson in 2016.)
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To: ZULU

Or it was the wildfires of 1988 that burned over 1/3 of the park that is responsible for the alleged vegetation changes as the forest regenerates itself instead of the ‘magic’ wolf theory.


26 posted on 03/06/2014 10:57:31 AM PST by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Valpal1

It seems more likely the wolf story is the accurate one.


27 posted on 03/06/2014 11:09:17 AM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office. Ted Cruz/Phil Robertson in 2016.)
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To: ZULU

No it doesn’t. Post fire habitat generation has been extensively observed and documented for the last hundred years. What’s funny is how this is all now ascribed to the magic wolves in Yellowstone, but not in burned forests where there are no wolves, yet the same regeneration occurs.


28 posted on 03/06/2014 11:15:26 AM PST by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: ZULU

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20957967

Our study demonstrates that the historical failure of aspen to regenerate varied widely among stands (last recruitment year ranged from 1892 to 1956), and our data do not indicate an abrupt cessation of recruitment.

This pattern of recruitment failure appears more consistent with a gradual increase in elk numbers rather than a rapid behavioral shift in elk foraging following wolf extirpation. In addition, our estimates of relative survivorship of young browsable aspen indicate that aspen are not currently recovering in Yellowstone, even in the presence of a large wolf population.

Finally, in an experimental test of the BMTC hypothesis we found that the impacts of elk browsing on aspen demography are not diminished in sites where elk are at higher risk of predation by wolves.


29 posted on 03/06/2014 11:21:45 AM PST by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Valpal1

Interesting. It would seem that two different types of situations occur. In one fire destroys ground cover indiscriminately along with small trees (certain types excepted, such as pitch pine, which REQUIRES fire for the cones to open).

In the other, what the article is saying is that areas overgrazed by deer are relieved of that pressure by the presence of wolf packs which drive them from open areas, allowing reforestation in those areas.

I never heard of this scenario with the “magic” wolves before, but what they are saying here appears to make some kind of sense.

I don’t know if this somethnig that reliable ecologists have worked out, or some group opposed to wolf hunting. I just don’t know.


30 posted on 03/06/2014 12:16:43 PM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office. Ted Cruz/Phil Robertson in 2016.)
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To: Valpal1

What about other vegetation, and deer over-browing?\
Who are the people who presented this video? What are their qualifications?


31 posted on 03/06/2014 12:18:05 PM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office. Ted Cruz/Phil Robertson in 2016.)
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To: ZULU
In the other, what the article is saying is that areas overgrazed by deer are relieved of that pressure by the presence of wolf packs which drive them from open areas, allowing reforestation in those areas.

The study I linked to said the opposite. You've got George Moonbat and the BBC claiming it's the magic of wolves.

When you're comparing the destructive force of a wildfire to the minor impact of wolves occasionally redirecting ungulate grazing for causing change in vegetative growth, the non-insane person would recognize that fire is more direct and powerful agent.

The 1988 wildfires burned down over a third of Yellowstone and in the middle of the natural regeneration they introduce wolves and then claim the natural result of fire induced regeneration is somehow the result of the magical presence of wolves. It's utter bison scat and propaganda.

I use the term magical, because that's how all the pro wolf nuts talk about them, all breathy spiritualism.

32 posted on 03/06/2014 12:48:30 PM PST by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Valpal1

WHo is george Moonbat? Is he an eco-nut?


33 posted on 03/06/2014 1:01:24 PM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office. Ted Cruz/Phil Robertson in 2016.)
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To: ZULU
Why vegans were right all along Famine can only be avoided if the rich give up meat, fish and dairy

He predicted 12 years ago that if we didn't give up meat and dairy and all become vegans there would be famine everywhere.

He is The Guardian's in house global warmist and eco nut. His name is actually Monbiat.

34 posted on 03/06/2014 2:03:20 PM PST by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Valpal1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Monbiot

Nutjob.


35 posted on 03/06/2014 3:28:50 PM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office. Ted Cruz/Phil Robertson in 2016.)
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