Skip to comments.Here's how to Deter Putin...DO IT NOW!
Posted on 03/01/2014 10:38:19 PM PST by Jeff Head
Here's how you stop and deter Putin. it is how George Bush got the job done in 2008 in Georgia.
Bush started out by talking to him face to face in Beijing and letting him know, man to man, that it was not going to go as Putin imagined.
We had military advisors already on the ground there. Bush immediately expedited the return of 2,000 members of Georgia's 31st Light Infantry Battalion who had been fighting beside US Marines in Afghanistan.
He then sent in more US personnel and material on C-130s and C-17s...direct to Tiblisi and immediately (which is what we should be doing right now to Kiev). When those US C-17s and C-130s went in, they had a lot of US personnel on them in addition to the supplies and material...and that was in addition to the military personnel we already had there.
Bush did not pull those out...he added more to it and made it clear to Putin that a push into and through Tiblisi was going to put the US Military in the line of fire and that Putin DID NOT WANT TO DO THAT.
In addition, in short order, three US warships and three NATO warships entered the Black Sea. Some brought supplies, others stood by and defended them. The three NATO warships and one of the US warships were top of the line surface combatants with two AEGIS vessels and two other guided-missile vessels.
Putin knew that Bush meant what he said. He had seen it already time and again over the seven years prior. He consiodered the cost of rolling over those US personnel and what the consequences would be, and he knew there would be very severe consequences with a heavy interest payment.
The following are all pictures from the events of the day, during the Georgian crisis, of us material, more advisors, equipment flowing in. Of US advisors already on the ground and training Georgian forces immediately prior to and during the crisis, and US and NATO warships all sent into the Black Sea during the crisis.
Bush drew a stark line in the sand...and he did it with the US military even as the Russian forces were nearing the capitol...and Putin paused, and then stopped, and negotiated.
Now THAT'S how you deter a man like Putin. Stop talking and start acting.
But our effeminate, metro-sexual President will not do so. He is being "more flexible," don't you know?
That won’t happen with Obama and his military advisors who know what is what have all been replaced by PC toadies. None of them would read this post and feel anything but disgusted with such maneuvers.
You guys act like Reagan is president. The number one value this laughing stock nation of ours now exports is gay rights. Take off your Cold War glasses. We are the commies now.
Obama has hollowed out the US military - and its not in a position to stop Russia.
Obama is many things but he is no Harry Truman. The Russians know he will do nothing.
They have seen the measure of the man on Syria and he punted. His threats won’t cow them.
And such sanctions as Russia will face are bearable.
That would indeed work. The question is why? The first maidan movement was turned violent by Nazi quoting Right Sector types who violently overthrew the seat in Kiev. They did it without the slightest proof they represent a majority. They were just more violent.
So why should we risk war with Nuclear Russia for people who are enthusiastically supported by the MSM, Kerry, McCain, Hillary, Obama, and the EU leadership?
Putin is testing Obama, because he knows Obama doesn’t have what it takes. Nobody in the White House has what it takes.
It’s the price of electing a fool as President.
Right or wrong, The chances of Russia giving up on Ukraine are about as good as O proving his eligibility for office ( or Hilly receiving the Miss Congenity Award).
we don't have this type of leadership now, not even close.
Thanks Jeff Head.
Maybe 1% people in that crowd are neo-nazi', therefore we hould condemn all Ukrainians to foreign domination??
Nice idea, wrong administration.
A) You just made up that 1% number.
B) That number is an microscopic fraction of the Ukraine’s population. The occupy crowd was just as numerous and more widespread.
C) The Nazi sympathizing factions took over that square with an iron fist by mid december.
D) The actual Nazi party was very very small in the beginning, but nobody dared stand against them. Just like radical islamists, they don’t need to be the majority to call the tune. Their violent nature makes others afraid to oppose them.
Bull. Apart from breakaway regions Georgia had a stable pro-American government. In Ukraine you don’t have any stable government but uncontrolled armed groups of whatsoever affiliation running wild with all kinds of weapons. Kiev doesn’t control a thing there as far as a dozen Russians arrives at major airbase and captures it without a shot fired. And Ukrainian naval flagship flies a Russian St.Andrew.
Not even a Ukrainian military decided which is their side, let alone Ukrainian people and you want to intervene, on part of whom?
Imagine a US warship sunk or aircraft shotdown. Whom will you blame for it? Russians, Muslims, Nazis, Anarchists, Isolationists?
There aren’t enough “neo-nazi’s” in Ukraine to fill that picture.
The question IS.. not what Obama is doing to stop Putin...... it is
What is Obama doing to AID PUTIN?..
To imply these two guys are on opposite sides of the fence.. is to strain credulity..
The Ukraine can become the new eastern Europe..
The Russians WANT the USSR back again..
AND will probably get it..
Not that it ever really left..
NO Russian(in Russia) has ever known actual FREEDOM...
Probably don’t even want it.. slavery is cultural there..
Same is true in China.. cultures of political slaves..
Democracy is FOR PROMOTING socialism..
The dictatorship of the proletariat.. (you know givernment)..
We are represented by pansies and pimps and the whole world knows it!
About 50% of Russia’s federal budget is paid for by oil and gas revenue. There’s a pipeline from Ukraine that supplies Russian gas to Turkey. Turkey has two LNG conversion facilities. One is located near the Bosporus and near the pipeline. To thwart Russia now and forever: 1. Issue the permits for the Cove Point LNG liquidification facility in MD. 2. Ditto for the one in the Gulf of Mexico. 3. Work with Turkey and Ukraine to use the pipeline and reverse the flow to feed natural gas into Europe including Ukraine via shipments of LNG. Expand the pipeline as necessary. 4. Ignore Russian protests as once again we beggar the f*****S.
It’s time to wage economic warfare.
You are on the side of McCain, Kerry, the MSM, Hillary, Soros, Obama, the EU leadership and bankers. Hell, McCain appeared on stage with them back in December.
They are 100% wrong, everywhere, on everything. What’s more likely, that they all suddenly got one right,,, or that you are being mislead by their propaganda?
BTW, the European Union is not working for the benefit of European peoples either, and they deserve their fair share of blame for the Ukraine situation.
I am not on the side of McCain, Kerry and stuff.
I am also not on the side of the Russia autocrat who is invading sovereign countries.
Painful to admit ... but essentially true.
Ironically, Stalin purged his general officer corps in the years before Hitler invaded. His stupidity damn near cost him his country,
How do we know that Putin and Obama are not in cahoots with one another and that all this is not premeditated?
Fantastic post and collection of photos.
Yet how can we drum up such leadership right now?
“I am not on the side of McCain, Kerry and stuff.”
Mere semantics, because your position and their’s is exactly the same.
Soros, Kerry, the MSM, Obama, McCain, the EU leadership, and Hillary agree with you 100% that this is a non-Nazi lead, popular uprising, that expresses the honest will of the Ukrainian nation.
Does that give you any pause at all?
They are also not even close to a majority in Parliament that ousted the cretin Yanukovych with a large majority.
Russia still controls all disputed territory with Georgia. The Russians won. Don’t try to spin it into an American victory.
And understand. Im not trying to be a jerk here. But it truly is a “who’s who” line up of the people who are the sworn enemies of American and human freedom everywhere on earth.
They brought us Egypt, Libya, Syria. They fought against the constitutionalists in Honduras. They fight Israel. They are aggressively spreading homosexuality as America’s most important value in diplomacy. They are purging any references to Islam in all terrorist law enforcement training.
Why is THIS crowd suddenly standing with the Maidan protesters? Food for thought, that’s what i’m saying.
Avoiding the questions whether the US has an issue in the Ukraine or not, and whether Putin had achieved his objectives in Georgia, the fact that President Bush could act as a he did was that by then the world knew that one could trust him to do what he said. Putin k-n-e-w that the US troops would really act as a tripwire.
If Obama would follow your advice I am afraid that could be a recipe for disaster. He has shown himself so weak during his previous five years in office that the Russians may well try and test him - something that could either lead to a world war - or massive loss of US prestige.
>>They are also not even close to a majority in Parliament that ousted the cretin Yanukovych with a large majority.
I won’t dispute, you are right. The problem is revolution is over and someone has to be in charge. And it is not all of these enthusiastic protestors.
Nope. This is not Libya.
Of course, those are the values we should stand for?
Trying to blame the protest on a tiny fringe element is exactly like trying to say all TEA Party activity is Westboro Baptist Church. It is dishonest to its core.
I don't care what the commies are doing or saying. I am not going to pretend that millions of people who just threw off shackles need new ones in Russian. I am not going to pretend that painting millions of Ukrainians as NAZI's makes any more sense than calling the TEA party racists.
As I see it
A sovereign country rallied against an autocrat. The legitimate Parliament voted to legally and Constitutionally remove him from office. A foreign power has invaded this sovereign country.
(See posts #48 and #56.)
We still have some prestige?
I am shocked. lol
San Marino still respects us, and we’re working on Vanuatu, right now.
Food for over-simplification slander is more like it.
Cynics both of you! :-)
“So much better to stand with an autocrat who poisons and imprisons his opposition, controls the media with an iron fist, hands control of industries to his pals, invades sovereign countries??”
As I’ve been saying for a while, I think it quite possible there are no, or very few, good guys involved with this.
We should stay out of it.
Nope, sorry. I point out the undeniable observation that Kerry, Obama, the MSM, McCain, the EU leaders, Hillary, Soros, etc are all on one side. I note that they are in almost constant harmony in their desire to spread radicalism and anti freedom values.
I ask if its more likely that they’ve all changed and are now on the side of good, or if they are selling us a bill of goods.
You can only respond that its slander. Use a real argument or it becomes clear you cannot refute mine.
That’s far too sensible to be seriously considered. I’m amazed that people would love to see re-enactments of European attacks on Kharkov, Donetsk, Kiev, or Sevastopol.
And even better, they can almost taste using US forces too.
Its utterly insane.
The Russians always believe that Europe wants to invade every few decades. That is their justification for buffer zones. Damned if we don’t seem to prove every theory they have.
Here’s how to Deter Putin...DO IT NOW!
Cancel the Sochi Olympics!