Bush faces down Putin at Beijing Olympics over Georgia
Posted on 03/01/2014 10:38:19 PM PST by Jeff Head
Here's how you stop and deter Putin. it is how George Bush got the job done in 2008 in Georgia.
Bush started out by talking to him face to face in Beijing and letting him know, man to man, that it was not going to go as Putin imagined.
We had military advisors already on the ground there. Bush immediately expedited the return of 2,000 members of Georgia's 31st Light Infantry Battalion who had been fighting beside US Marines in Afghanistan.
He then sent in more US personnel and material on C-130s and C-17s...direct to Tiblisi and immediately (which is what we should be doing right now to Kiev). When those US C-17s and C-130s went in, they had a lot of US personnel on them in addition to the supplies and material...and that was in addition to the military personnel we already had there.
Bush did not pull those out...he added more to it and made it clear to Putin that a push into and through Tiblisi was going to put the US Military in the line of fire and that Putin DID NOT WANT TO DO THAT.
In addition, in short order, three US warships and three NATO warships entered the Black Sea. Some brought supplies, others stood by and defended them. The three NATO warships and one of the US warships were top of the line surface combatants with two AEGIS vessels and two other guided-missile vessels.
Putin knew that Bush meant what he said. He had seen it already time and again over the seven years prior. He consiodered the cost of rolling over those US personnel and what the consequences would be, and he knew there would be very severe consequences with a heavy interest payment.
The following are all pictures from the events of the day, during the Georgian crisis, of us material, more advisors, equipment flowing in. Of US advisors already on the ground and training Georgian forces immediately prior to and during the crisis, and US and NATO warships all sent into the Black Sea during the crisis.
Bush drew a stark line in the sand...and he did it with the US military even as the Russian forces were nearing the capitol...and Putin paused, and then stopped, and negotiated.
Now THAT'S how you deter a man like Putin. Stop talking and start acting.
San Marino still respects us, and we’re working on Vanuatu, right now.
lol
Food for over-simplification slander is more like it.
Cynics both of you! :-)
btt
“So much better to stand with an autocrat who poisons and imprisons his opposition, controls the media with an iron fist, hands control of industries to his pals, invades sovereign countries??”
Obama?
As I’ve been saying for a while, I think it quite possible there are no, or very few, good guys involved with this.
We should stay out of it.
Nope, sorry. I point out the undeniable observation that Kerry, Obama, the MSM, McCain, the EU leaders, Hillary, Soros, etc are all on one side. I note that they are in almost constant harmony in their desire to spread radicalism and anti freedom values.
I ask if its more likely that they’ve all changed and are now on the side of good, or if they are selling us a bill of goods.
You can only respond that its slander. Use a real argument or it becomes clear you cannot refute mine.
That’s far too sensible to be seriously considered. I’m amazed that people would love to see re-enactments of European attacks on Kharkov, Donetsk, Kiev, or Sevastopol.
And even better, they can almost taste using US forces too.
Its utterly insane.
The Russians always believe that Europe wants to invade every few decades. That is their justification for buffer zones. Damned if we don’t seem to prove every theory they have.
Here’s how to Deter Putin...DO IT NOW!
Cancel the Sochi Olympics!
“Food for over-simplification slander is more like it.”
Simplicity really sucks, doesn’t it? Tell me, what type of political leaders benefit from impenetrability complexity, where everything is complicated? Who intensely hates people saying the obvious?
The king has no clothes. And this movement is not one that values freedom. The Russians are right to keep Nazis away from them and people who are historically and culturally Russian. This is not a “go team” football game where we cheer along like obedient robots.
What is important is not reality, but how the players perceive reality. You might well be correct about how Putin sees things.
Well, Clinton’s stupid decision to go into Kosovo didn’t help matters.
Well done, George Bush. And, you’re right. I don’t see anything similar happening from the current regime and its political cadre.
Use real argument...to take apart the complicated situation, and show it's not so simple?
On another thread I provided links to background information pertaining to much of the "why" behind the protests on the Maidan. Here, start here. Try to digest it (go to the links concerning corruption in Ukraine).
Then perhaps you may see it's not so simple, and see that all these who you name as being the bad guys, may be on the right side of things...though regrettably it does appear more and more now, like things may blow up in the Ukraine. While you chose the Russian side, and have been going at it full tilt for days now...
Then in this other FR thread, Chechens ready to keep peace in Crimea - Kadyrov the titles article is sourced from Russia Beyond the Headlines where an additional link can be found there to Vox Pop: The fate of Ukraine. At that link, click on the video to play, and pay attention to what the the last woman (a Russian) says of Yanukovych, calling him evil, with his thumb (or was it hands or fingers?) in every pie. I found it heartening that it appears that some truth as to Yanukovych has apparently made it into the minds of Russians.
Corruption in Ukraine wiki page
That's more what the protests in the Maidan were about, than not. The people were sick of it. And guess who supported Yanukovych? He was the Kremlin's candidate...and sort-of talked a good game about wanting Ukraine to be able to deal with both East & West, but lined his and his own family and cronies pockets, with mobster-like racketeering corruption reaching into most levels of Ukraine society, getting worse as time went by (since his election).
One last link...YanukovychLeaks National Project--- perhaps they will be able to make enough of a case against Yanukovych and others to be able to demand his extradition.
Try to keep up, would you?
There you go with the slander, again. Why do you keep mindlessly parroting Kremlin talking points?
Are you some sort of sleeper agent?
Bullshit. You make crap up, then sling it like a monkey in a zoo.
I have some questions and comments I would like a response from more knowledgeable folks here:
1. Assuming we could pull this off militarily and we land guys there, send warships, etc. in force, does Obama has the credibility to make his “stop” actually stick? He seems to me to have tossed most of that down the drain in Syria. If Russia calls his bluff, what then? Obama cannot afford to lose again. Do we start bombing Volga basin ports? What? It’s close to Churchills, “damn fool thing in the Balkans” Where Obama is the “damn fool.” (I know, it’s not the quite the Balkans but it’s close, the people there are just as nuts as the Balkans, and that part of the world has always been about Costantinople and the Straits of Bosporus, which is what Russia’s intervention is about today).
2. I don’t know enough about our capabilities to pull off an operation today in Russia’s back yard if Russia decides to make us go away. Do we actually go to war over this? And if we do, I’m thinking the public support for Americans dying about Russia’s access to the Mediterranean and Crimean gas is very, very limited—even Obama’s left-wing support. And his youth support fizzles when they learn what a buzz kill a real war can be and they get to fight it. So it all hinges on the bet that Russia backs down. See point 1.
3. Would the EU even support us if Russia decides to try to make us go away, when Russia turns of Europe’s natural gas? And how to we support troops there if Europe doesn’t help out on logistics and basing? Of course the saudi’s and Kuwaitis would lend some support. Probably the Turks too. Would that make up for not having basing rights in Europe?
4. Motivations. Black Sea access is really important to Russia. Their access to the Black Sea is much less important to us.
5. A Jimmy Carter style response (I’m thinking the pathetic hostage rescue) or a Somalia (we seemed to be there just to look tough) would be the worst possible outcome. Guys in turbans and guys driving mechanicals made us retreat in the most humiliating possible ways.
But at 37% approval rating, and looking at things without hindsight or any particular interest in history, might this look like just the symbolic sort of thing that would sort things out for Obama and the dems in 2014?
Having raised the question, actually I suspect not. Obama was a thug from Chicago. Now he’s a thug from Washington DC. But he’s been a very poor thug against anyone internationally. He does great bullying Tea Partiers. But Putin is in different class of thug and somewhere in that narcissistic brain, even Obama knows that.
It’s also kind of early for wagging the dog—there’s a lot of time between now and the election for the voters to digest and discard credit for a poorly executed and, given our CIC, an intervention that probably either (1) fails from being too half-assed; or (2) that escalates to a real war because Obama cannot try and fail on this one. Even NBCCBSMSNBCABCCNN do not have the mojo to make a failure here into a success. Maybe that’s why Russia moved right after the Olympics instead of waiting another four or five months.
6. How does Turkey feel about this? I’m thinking not too comfy.
7. Will Obama go to the UN for approval? Or congress? (OK, stupid question. He doesn’t give a hoot about Congress or the UN, except as a tool to use against domestic opponents).
it describes the lot of them doesn’t it?
I have been getting a similar vibe, USA has become USSR and is NOT the good guy anymore. Its being led by a loser and all this is just another diversionary distraction. A handy one, never let a disaster fall by the wayside.
Frankly whatever the social media is saying about Putin in America its all organized against him, just like the Olympics.
I think Putin knows what he is doing and that no matter how many internet cheerleaders are whooping and waving about America being the policeman its a NEW Russia.
They are breaking eggs but you have to in order to make an omelet.
Oh, C’mon. There’s no pics of the gay forces.
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