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Manís good deed lands his home on a list of meth labs
Iowa Watchdog ^ | February 28, 2014 | Paul Brennan

Posted on 03/02/2014 9:01:09 AM PST by kiryandil

DES MOINES, Iowa — On Jan. 5, 2012, Paul Valin called the police to report he’d found a backpack containing what he believed to be meth-making equipment. That simple act of good citizenship landed his and wife Cindy’s house on the National Clandestine Laboratory Register, the federal Drug Enforcement Agency’s list of meth labs.

The NCLR “contains addresses of some locations where law enforcement agencies reported they found chemicals or other items that indicated the presence of either clandestine drug laboratories or dumpsites.”

The fact that Valin found the backpack more than 15 miles from his house isn’t the sort of thing the DEA or any other division of the Department of Justice would have checked on before publishing his address on the NCLR.

According to the NCLR website: “In most cases … the Department has not verified the entry and does not guarantee its accuracy….The Department does not accept responsibility or liability for damages of any kind resulting from reliance on an entry”.

Unlike the DOJ, Paul Valin is willing to accept responsibility. And that’s how his trouble started...

(Excerpt) Read more at watchdog.org ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: confrontationwatch; dea; doj; feos; methlab; nclr; policestate
There is no situation so bad that it cannot be made worse by the addition of Farce Enlawment...

Stay away from your government Owners' enforcers.

1 posted on 03/02/2014 9:01:09 AM PST by kiryandil
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To: kiryandil
no good deed goes unpunished...
2 posted on 03/02/2014 9:03:58 AM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: kiryandil; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; ...
According to the NCLR website: “In most cases … the Department has not verified the entry and does not guarantee its accuracy….The Department does not accept responsibility or liability for damages of any kind resulting from reliance on an entry”.

I expect every conservative will find their home on this list at some point.

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don't add you to the list...

3 posted on 03/02/2014 9:06:42 AM PST by null and void (<--- unwilling cattle-car passenger on the bullet train to serfdom)
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To: kiryandil

It makes no sense to treat the citizenry this way. It makes you the enemy of everyone, not just criminals.

After hearing about this, why would anyone give the agency a tip in the future.

This is so self-defeatist of government that it’s evidence of blithering idiocy.

We need to take an axe to this government, through our elected officials. That should be the number one campaign issue in upcoming elections.


4 posted on 03/02/2014 9:10:02 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: kiryandil
Don't talk to police. Ever. For any reason.

Police, like the criminal governments they work for, are not your friend.

5 posted on 03/02/2014 9:13:36 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (If Barack Hussein Obama entertains a thought that he does not verbalize, is it still a lie?)
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To: null and void
Oh, look - pretend "soldiers" wearing TacticoolTM while "confronting" a Mundane...
6 posted on 03/02/2014 9:14:27 AM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: DoughtyOne
This is so self-defeatist of government that it’s evidence of blithering idiocy.

Not if the endgame involves prison camps and furnaces.

7 posted on 03/02/2014 9:15:06 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (If Barack Hussein Obama entertains a thought that he does not verbalize, is it still a lie?)
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To: kiryandil

I never give identification information if I call to report a crime in which I’m not the victim. If the dispatcher tries to intimate me, I just tell her my report is on their tape recording and that if she fails to act on the information I provided, then it’s her and her department’s problem if the whole thing blows up in their faces because she failed to act. That usually gets a change of attitude real fast, including inquiry as to more details about the crime being reported.

(Yes, I know they have caller id, but they still don’t know who called from that phone.)


8 posted on 03/02/2014 9:15:35 AM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: kiryandil

The comments on the article sound like they came from free-republic.

Seriously it’s long past the point of no-return. The government, local/state/federal, is no longer a force to be dealt with fairly as they will screw you in every way they can. It’s best to have minimal contact and deal with things on your own without their ‘help’.


9 posted on 03/02/2014 9:16:27 AM PST by The Working Man
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To: null and void
Hey, null - why do the pretend soldiers in your picture have "assault weapons"?

I thought that "assault weapons" were "weapons of war". Are those Tacticool police guys at war with somebody?

10 posted on 03/02/2014 9:16:51 AM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: DoughtyOne

“It makes no sense to treat the citizenry this way. It makes you the enemy of everyone, not just criminals.”

They love the pretend game they are playing against unsuspecting, generally unarmed people. They never stop to think that the bureaucratic bosses that send them out aren’t going to be the ones to initially get a round between the eyes. It hasn’t hurt enough yet for them to stop.


11 posted on 03/02/2014 9:17:10 AM PST by dljordan (WhoVoltaire: "To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.")
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To: kiryandil

Yes. Us.


12 posted on 03/02/2014 9:18:30 AM PST by null and void (<--- unwilling cattle-car passenger on the bullet train to serfdom)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Well, you’ve got me there. Perhaps it does make sense then.


13 posted on 03/02/2014 9:22:40 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: kiryandil
"No good deed..."....indeed.

The Polk County Assessor had also announced he was considering using the information on the NCLR when assessing the value of a house.

How ironic if his tax burden was reduced...

Jokes aside, these are the instructions for NCLR Reporting

This smacks of civil liability by the Des Moines Police Department, as they clearly did not submit accurate information. Gross negligence on their part, imho.

Go to the instructions and see for yourselves.

14 posted on 03/02/2014 9:22:47 AM PST by logi_cal869
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To: dljordan

Anyone who would not help to get this information expunged, should be summarily fired on the spot.


15 posted on 03/02/2014 9:23:43 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: DoughtyOne
It makes no sense to treat the citizenry this way. It makes you the enemy of everyone, not just criminals.

You are thinking logically. Statists follow a different code...

We are different from the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just around the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know what no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now you begin to understand me.”
― George Orwell, 1984

16 posted on 03/02/2014 9:28:04 AM PST by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: kiryandil
The Polk County Assessor had also announced he was considering using the information on the NCLR when assessing the value of a house.

Now, there's an idea of getting your taxes lowered...

17 posted on 03/02/2014 9:28:25 AM PST by bgill
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To: Flick Lives

Very nice. Thanks...


18 posted on 03/02/2014 9:29:33 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: null and void

This list or some other....


19 posted on 03/02/2014 9:32:52 AM PST by Nifster
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To: null and void; kiryandil

It’s one thing to get [some] training along with uniforms, armor and tactical weapons and then go out and run roughshod over unsuspecting civilians.

It’s totally different when a sizable portion of an urban area turns into a war zone (as we have in major Dem run cities right now). Picture that “war zone” or “zone of occupation” if you will, being largely populated by (well) armed, intelligent, working and middle class citizens that have morphed into rebellion mode. These tough guys, for the most part bullies IMO, are going to have a serious change of attitude accompanied by rapidly shrinking balls.

Blood will run in the streets, but that won’t subjugate the good people once aroused.

Suggestion to *everyone*: Get Zello and learn how to use it. Venezuela, Egypt will show you why. Oppressive, spying governments are not the only beneficiaries of technology.


20 posted on 03/02/2014 9:38:05 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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Less than $3.8k to go!!

Make Today, Day 61 the day!

21 posted on 03/02/2014 9:48:37 AM PST by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: DoughtyOne

“...does not accept responsibility or liability for damages of any kind.”

Maybe this should be the new government motto - who understands the Latin of “E Pluribus Unum”, anyway. And, it would keep the lawyers happy.


22 posted on 03/02/2014 9:51:10 AM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: The Antiyuppie

I could live with that, if it was the basis for the government withdrawing from about 95% of what it does today.


23 posted on 03/02/2014 9:53:13 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Tell me about your experiences with Zello, please?


24 posted on 03/02/2014 9:55:44 AM PST by null and void (<--- unwilling cattle-car passenger on the bullet train to serfdom)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Zello saves conversations. It sounds vulnerable to spying. Are you sure it is secure?


25 posted on 03/02/2014 9:59:05 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ √ě)
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To: kiryandil

Don’t talk to the police.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc


26 posted on 03/02/2014 10:45:02 AM PST by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Paranoid much? I’ve talked to lots of cops in my life. One was a friend of mine. Haven’t been arrested yet.


27 posted on 03/02/2014 11:20:22 AM PST by driftless2
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To: null and void; BykrBayb
I guess I should have worded that a little differently. I am probably jumping the gun a little, still in the process of studying it. But my readings of news articles about its use in organizing etc in Venezuela and how much a force it has been against the government make me think that if it sizes up after reading more on it, then we all ought to have it. It's not perfect, but the more avenues of communication we have, the better. I believe there is a reasonable possibility that things could get that ugly in this country if a few certain variables play out. Like a week or two bank holiday, and/or a nationwide EBT shut down for a week or two. Also, You can bet your ass the takers in this country will be using it to make their mischief.

http://www.businessinsider.com/zello-used-by-venezuelan-protestors-2014-2

http://www.ctvnews.ca/business/venezuela-blocks-zello-app-popular-among-protesters-ceo-1.1697102

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Zello-Implements-Workaround-for-Venezuelan-Block-in-App-Rolls-Out-Updates-429061.shtml

28 posted on 03/02/2014 11:20:31 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: kiryandil

Paul should ship his dog out of state before a DEA agent comes and shoots it.


29 posted on 03/02/2014 11:24:35 AM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: kiryandil

I’m surprised they didn’t shoot him for putting his hands in his pockets.


30 posted on 03/02/2014 11:40:30 AM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: catnipman
I never give identification information if I call to report a crime in which I’m not the victim. If the dispatcher tries to intimate me, I just tell her my report is on their tape recording and that if she fails to act on the information I provided, then it’s her and her department’s problem if the whole thing blows up in their faces because she failed to act. That usually gets a change of attitude real fast, including inquiry as to more details about the crime being reported. (Yes, I know they have caller id, but they still don’t know who called from that phone.)

I have a burner phone for such occasions. A burner phone is one of those cheap phones that you can buy from Walmart that can't be linked back to you. And after I make the call, I pull out the battery so the phone can't be tracked by GPS.

And I give the dispatcher a fake name if they ask me for my name. Plus, I throw in a southern accent to make voice recognition difficult.

I do all of this so the bad guys can't find out who I am but it works to keep the LEOs in the dark about my identity.
31 posted on 03/02/2014 11:45:41 AM PST by Ticonderoga34
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To: driftless2

Cops don’t care if innocent people get convicted. Still counts as a gold star.


32 posted on 03/02/2014 2:38:10 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (If Barack Hussein Obama entertains a thought that he does not verbalize, is it still a lie?)
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To: null and void

Well, since it’s reported that there are 80 million Americass names on the DHS Terrorist List, I suspicion most of us are on it - but no muzzies are because they have been declared not terrorists - only people like returning vets, Christians, Constitutionalists and Tea Party folk. (Wish I was being sarcastic)

I also suspicion that that number pretty much corresponds with the number of ‘group caskets’ now distributed to F EMA camps around the country.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFqwS5tVdSU


33 posted on 03/02/2014 4:12:33 PM PST by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; All

your advise should be taken seriously by every person - and this video should be shown to every family

“A law school professor and former criminal defense attorney tells you why you should never agree to be interviewed by the police. “

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc


34 posted on 03/02/2014 4:17:03 PM PST by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

That was well worth the time to see! Thanks for sharing!


35 posted on 03/02/2014 5:51:13 PM PST by sig229 (The loonie left "FLUNKED" human nature 101)
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To: kiryandil

Everything the Nazis did was PERFECTLY LEGAL TOO!


36 posted on 03/02/2014 6:07:37 PM PST by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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