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‘Russian forces in Ukraine could be a stabilizing factor in a country with no legitimate govt’
Russia [Propaganda] Today ^ | March 1, 2014

Posted on 03/02/2014 9:37:21 AM PST by 1rudeboy

As President Putin weighs using military forces in a Ukraine plunging deeper into political turmoil, Alexander Mercouris, international law expert, tells RT that the presence Russia’s forces could be a restraining factor for all the parties involved.

RT: From the point of view of international law, from the point of view of that perspective, where does Russia’s approval for the use of armed force actually stand then? If it does indeed send forces to Ukraine?

Alexander Mercouris: The Russian position is based on an agreement which was made between Mr. Yanukovich and the opposition leaders as they were on the 21st February, in which Russia is named and in which in effect it is a kind of co-guarantor. That agreement was torn up. What then happened over the course of the next couple of days is that Yanukovich was illegally overthrown.

Law is like a web. If you start unraveling part of it, then the whole thing basically falls apart. It’s very difficult, it seems for me, for people who want to criticize the Russians for doing what they’re doing to start discovering illegality now, when they have so-far completely disregarded it up to now. It depends in terms of international law, a great deal upon what the Russians do.

But the important thing to understand is that there is no legitimate government at the moment in existence in Kiev.

RT: There’s no decision made of course. They have made it very clear that there’s no decision as to whether those troops will be deployed but your thoughts if they were to be deployed, what sort of impact could that have on the situation?

AM: I think that in the Crimea it would stabilize it. The point to make about this particular resolution is that it’s not in-fact confined to Crimea. It’s about the Ukraine in general. We have to wait and see what would happen in the rest of Ukraine. There’s been a great deal of disturbances in the eastern Ukraine. But in the Crimea itself, I think, essentially it’s an accomplished fact – the Crimea is not obeying decisions from Kiev. It would require force by Kiev to bring Crimea to heel and Russian intervention there would prevent that and that would stabilize the situation.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: agitprop; crimea; eunwo; pravda; putinsbuttboys; russia; soros; ukraine; ukrainecrisis; viktoryanukovich; yuliatymoshenko
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And this, from earlier today:

If Russia deploys forces in Crimea, it would only be to prevent war - expert.

1 posted on 03/02/2014 9:37:21 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Who says it does not have a legitimate government. It seems to me it is only missing the Prime Minister who fled the country. Near as I can tell everything else is in place.


2 posted on 03/02/2014 9:38:33 AM PST by Parley Baer
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To: 1rudeboy

Earlier today, Chairman of the Czech Parliamentary Foreign Affairs Committee, Karel Schwarzenberg, basically straight-up said that Putin is acting like Adolf Hitler.

According to the chairman of the Parliamentary Foreign Affairs Committee Karel Schwarzenberg (TOP 09) ” …a clear attempt at expansion of power of the Russian Federation, its connection with the Crimea and its important naval base in Sevastopol to Russia .” The arguments of Russian President Vladimir Putin, who deployed troops in Ukraine claiming the need to protect local Russian citizens, are the same arguments Adolf Hitler used during the occupation of a foreign country . Schwarzenberg said, “Hitler always said that we must protect the local Germans. It’s very clear that this is not about the protection of Russian citizens, who are not being attacked and are perfectly safe” .

The Czechs (and Poles) know a thing or two about being invaded and occupied.

Kudos to Mr. Schwarzenberg for calling it like it is.


3 posted on 03/02/2014 9:42:49 AM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Parley Baer

Their new government is illegitimate because the Russians don’t dominate it.


4 posted on 03/02/2014 9:42:52 AM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededication to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Putin is protecting his artificially created “Sudetanland”.


5 posted on 03/02/2014 9:44:02 AM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededication to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution)
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To: 1rudeboy

It’s like 1939 all over again, with no Churchill, Patton, FDR or Doug MacArthur.


6 posted on 03/02/2014 9:44:03 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

But we got Chamberlain on steroids.


7 posted on 03/02/2014 9:49:24 AM PST by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms in Dixie!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

But we do have Barry, Kerry, and his predecessor Hil-Lary


8 posted on 03/02/2014 9:50:27 AM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: 1rudeboy

I think these defections are because of the infiltration of Russians into the Ukranian govt police depts., and armed forces. (Obviously). But the oppresion the Ukranian people receive from their police forces is a big part of why they want the Russians out. I’ve lost track of how many times, when I’m in Ukraine, a policeman flips out his black and white striped, 12” long flashlight, to pull you over. In Kherson they prey on Taxi drivers and pocket fines after they pull you over. In 1999, the police had these monster radars that took 2 people to handle...I hope they have radiation poisoning.


9 posted on 03/02/2014 9:58:14 AM PST by usual suspect
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To: 3Fingas

Putin is protecting his artificially created “Sudetanland”.
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And the idea of using a puppet to “request help” is another well-known Hitlerian tactic.

Mr. Schwarzenberg pretty much nailed it. And I’m glad he did.

Yes.....Putin is indeed acting just like Hitler; Putin is pursuing a Hitlerian expansionist foreign policy.


10 posted on 03/02/2014 9:58:40 AM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Kozak
sterioids

More like estrogen tablets...

11 posted on 03/02/2014 9:59:58 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: usual suspect
Yeah, that E. European thing with cops just being able to step out into traffic and flag you down is creepy. Happened to my taxi once at 2:30am in Vilnius. Never figured out what the conversation was, since it was in Russian.

(Yeah, the US is moving in the same direction, I know).

12 posted on 03/02/2014 10:02:58 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

They do it here too in the Czech Republic. They flag over older cars typically; they give them a spot inspection for road-worthiness.

It’s usually like the Communist-era Škodas and Trabants and Wartburgs they do it too.

Heh....those Trabants are the automotive version of the V1 buzzbomb. You can hear ‘em a mile away with their little two-cycle engine.


13 posted on 03/02/2014 10:08:11 AM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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Less than $3.8k to go!!

Make Today, Day 61 the day!

14 posted on 03/02/2014 10:08:27 AM PST by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Parley Baer
Who says it does not have a legitimate government.

The people who VOTED Yanukovich into office back in 2010......... Yanukovich was illegally overthrown.

15 posted on 03/02/2014 10:11:43 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (SO)
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To: 1rudeboy

The worst was when three of them in full length overcoats with AK47’s came into a disco, ordered the lights on and music stopped, and started frisking up against the wall the three fellows who were drinking vodka at the next table. I had left my passport at my fiance’s home and felt helpless. I was probably breaking at least three or four laws and I knew I could be held....for doing nothing! The former Soviet Union is a cancer that will be there forever.


16 posted on 03/02/2014 10:12:30 AM PST by usual suspect
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To: 1rudeboy

The worst was when three of them in full length overcoats with AK47’s came into a disco, ordered the lights on and music stopped, and started frisking up against the wall the three fellows who were drinking vodka at the next table. I had left my passport at my fiance’s home and felt helpless. I was probably breaking at least three or four laws and I knew I could be held....for doing nothing! The former Soviet Union is a cancer that will be there forever.


17 posted on 03/02/2014 10:12:39 AM PST by usual suspect
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To: usual suspect
I have an American friend who reported his wallet stolen in Moscow, and the police ended-up investigating him.
18 posted on 03/02/2014 10:13:56 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Yikes. I was foolishly videotaping the train station in Kiev. You can hear me say UH-OH as I was filming the pissed off Military guy who was marching towards me. Whew!
Same thing happened as I was taping the subway. I learned.


19 posted on 03/02/2014 10:17:10 AM PST by usual suspect
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To: Parley Baer

It was not a government elected through the ballot box. The West seems to overlook the principle when its convenient for them. And fascists have been given leading positions in this new Ukrainian regime. For Russia, this is a red line.

Of course, every effort must be given over to avert war. But if those efforts fail, the danger must be averted by force, if necessary. The Soviet Union did not understand this principle in the late 1930s and thought by striking an accord with the German fascists it would buy their goodwill and peace. Instead, 20 million Soviet lives were lost.

Russia well understands the palpable shadow growing over it. Unlike the decadent West, it will act if need be. The situation is growing into one in which Russian citizens and those who identify with Russia are under threat. No Western government could remain indifferent in the face of danger to its nationals. Russia may no longer invited to the Western cocktail circuit but if that is the price to be paid, the decision should by all accounts, be a clear and obvious one in the coming days.


20 posted on 03/02/2014 10:20:32 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

How hard is it to ignore the 5 billion $$$ spent on democratizing Ukraine?


21 posted on 03/02/2014 10:20:48 AM PST by x_plus_one (The harvest is great but the workers are few. Salman Rushdie is still in hiding.)
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To: usual suspect

You ever have the pleasure of seeing theses guys in your travels?

Vladimir Putin’s motorcycle gang is riding into Ukraine
Here comes the cavalry. As Moscow weighs how to handle the political situation unfolding in Kiev, Vladimir Putin’s motorcycle gang, a group named the Night Wolves, whom Putin has called his “brothers,” is wasting no time making their allegiances clear. The group is staging a ride across the border into Ukraine to rally pro-Russian protesters.

As Ukraine transforms itself in a new era, all eyes have been on Russia to see how strongly Putin will try to strong-arm the nation back under the control of Mother Russia and push it away from European integration. Ukranian president Viktor Yanukovych fled to Russia and the Kremlin is thought to be harboring him. And Putin has said it has yet to decide whether to withhold funds from the country’s new leadership.

The move by the Night Wolves is the latest sign that Putin intends to apply some muscle to keep Ukraine under Russian influence. Alexander Zaldostanov, the group’s leather-clad, pony-tailed leader nicknamed “The Surgeon,” said, “Tomorrow people are organizing an action called Russian Spring.”

Last year Putin personally awarded Zaldostanov with a state honor after he and his crew helped restore a monument “symbolic of Soviet war heroism” in Volgograd, reports AFP—the same city where separatist suicide bombers killed 34 late in the same year.

“The column will start at 8:00 am and ride across the whole eastern part of Ukraine,” Zaldostanov said.

Zaldostanov said he was personally going to Crimea, an area that has emerged as critical in the unfolding conflict, with many residents loyal to Ukraine’s ousted leadership. Zaldostanov said he was going to deliver “humanitarian aid.”

The Kiev branch of the Night Wolves writes that their mission is to “spread Russian influence around the world.”

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22 posted on 03/02/2014 10:22:40 AM PST by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

FDR was no hero, he ignored the European developments, even when massive jewish popluations applied for US visa’s to escape gas chambers, he knew of the atrocities and turned away from them. He bungled intelligence of a Japaneese attack known weeks in advance, and let 3000 men die in Pearl Harbour. The other 3 were Men, and American’s.


23 posted on 03/02/2014 10:27:31 AM PST by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: crosslink

I just read about “Nochnye Vitali” yesterday. The point I am trying to make is; The Russians have all the cool jobs in Ukraine. They have the power and don’t want to give it up. They are able to extend “perks’ for favors or cash. Under Soviet rule, the power was in belonging to the “Party”. A lot of Russian sympathizers miss their power. A lot of Russian sympathizers have the power. Corruption, graft, and oppression are the bill of fare with the Russian tentacles throughout Ukranian govt. Especially the police forces.


24 posted on 03/02/2014 10:29:31 AM PST by usual suspect
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To: Hot Tabasco

Yanukovich fleed. After violating the constitution and calling Military snipers to shoot down in the streets of kiev, part of his constituency. Obama could do that in America, use the military to shoot his passive opposition. Would you call him a “legitimatly elected” President if he did that?


25 posted on 03/02/2014 10:32:56 AM PST by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: swamprebel

Show me where I called him a hero.


26 posted on 03/02/2014 10:33:57 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: usual suspect

Thanks, I was just curious if this group has as much power as the press and Putin are portraying.


27 posted on 03/02/2014 10:35:29 AM PST by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You did not, but you put him into a group of hero’s. I just wanted to distinguish the other 3, from that grouping.


28 posted on 03/02/2014 10:36:57 AM PST by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: usual suspect

Popular legend holds that modern Russia is run by Mobsters, is that how you see it?


29 posted on 03/02/2014 10:38:37 AM PST by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: 1rudeboy

I’m pretty sure the Continental Congress was an illegitimate gov’t, too, to some outside players.


30 posted on 03/02/2014 10:40:03 AM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: 1rudeboy

Pure crap. The Ukrainians want to be free of Russia and independent of Putin. Now, he sends in his private army to secure the area. There will be blood on Putin’s evil hands.


31 posted on 03/02/2014 10:48:22 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Free Ukraine. Free Venezuela. Free Syria. Free Iran. Free USA.)
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To: swamprebel

I have only heard about the Russian Mafia, but I don’t think they operate in a vacuum. There must be payoffs as part of the corruption to allow them to operate. From what I see, In Ukraine, the police thrive on picking on the common citizen. I actually did see some small time mafia. Two changed a hundred dollar bill for us so they could cut out the middle man in the money exchange booths. ( which were located on every block. Another looked like Jabba the hut at the door of a restaraunt, muttering something to me in Russian that I didn’t understand. I asked my wife what that was all about. She responded. “he is mafia.”


32 posted on 03/02/2014 11:01:29 AM PST by usual suspect
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To: DoughtyOne
I was thinking of the Wookie...😃
33 posted on 03/02/2014 11:19:15 AM PST by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms in Dixie!)
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To: swamprebel
Would you call him a “legitimatly elected” President if he did that?

He is not a legitimately elected President right now. He stole the last election. We know that to be fact now (IRS Scandal, illegal immigration, etc.). He should have been immediately impeached after those election results came in. All socialist cronies steal elections in today's world. He is not my President.

34 posted on 03/02/2014 11:23:51 AM PST by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: elhombrelibre
There will be blood on Putin’s evil hands.

Read up on how he handled Grozny. He leveled the city WWII style and rebuilt the entire thing. You do not mess around with Putin. Everyone in the US government who thought supporting a coup in the Ukraine was a good idea, needs to resign immediately.

35 posted on 03/02/2014 11:26:45 AM PST by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: justa-hairyape

I agree, the stuff they pulled in Florida was breathtaking. Miami precints staying open to midnight to accomadate a voter ID-less line, wound up turing out a 123% voter participation rate.


36 posted on 03/02/2014 11:26:56 AM PST by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: swamprebel
Military snipers to shoot down in the streets of kiev,

ARMED protestors could hardly be considered "constituents". And the proper term should be "armed insurgency" regardless of their choice of weapons .

37 posted on 03/02/2014 11:41:07 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Was Occam's razor made by Gillette?)
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To: Hot Tabasco

The one’s on the viral video’s were carrying a shield, and throwing rocks. If you call that “Armed insurgents” then your welcome to spin away.


38 posted on 03/02/2014 11:57:06 AM PST by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: goldstategop
And fascists have been given leading positions in this new Ukrainian regime.

Fascists? Please explain the differences you see between fascists and communists.

Russia well understands the palpable shadow growing over it.

Putin is the shadow.

39 posted on 03/02/2014 12:57:06 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Fascists have snappier uniforms.


40 posted on 03/02/2014 1:00:00 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: swamprebel
If you call that “Armed insurgents” then your welcome to spin away.

As I stated previously, an "armed insurgency" is what it is regardless of the choice of weapons.........

Here's a couple videos of the peaceful, unarmed protestors........

Peaceful protestors attempt to make friends with police

Peaceful, unarmed protestors attempt to encourage dialogue

So who's really trying to do the spin here bro?

41 posted on 03/02/2014 1:26:17 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Was Occam's razor made by Gillette?)
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To: Parley Baer
Who says it does not have a legitimate government. It seems to me it is only missing the Prime Minister who fled the country. Near as I can tell everything else is in place.

Right, and the Parliament was working on stabilizing the situation last I heard.

42 posted on 03/02/2014 1:36:10 PM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Hot Tabasco

If your government called out Military snippers to shoot you down in the streets, because you had an opposing view, bet you’d defend yourself too. Protestore in the Maidan SQ. are nothing NEW, they have been there for months protesting, what was NEW was Moscow telling it’s puppet installed President to use force against it’s own people.


43 posted on 03/02/2014 1:40:04 PM PST by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: swamprebel
If your government

If my aunt had balls she would have been my uncle.........

44 posted on 03/02/2014 1:42:39 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Was Occam's razor made by Gillette?)
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To: swamprebel

I find Putin appologist among Conservatives who believe in the rule of law, to be somewhat in a paradox.


45 posted on 03/02/2014 1:44:33 PM PST by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: swamprebel
Moscow telling it’s puppet installed President

Now who would that be?

46 posted on 03/02/2014 1:47:45 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Was Occam's razor made by Gillette?)
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To: Hot Tabasco

I find Putin appologist among Conservatives who believe in the rule of law, to be somewhat in a paradox. Either you believe in law, or you appologize for those who break it. Seems like a liberal concept to me. “Poor little johnny Putin couldn’t help it, look at how he was raised”.
Mr. Yanukovych was impeached, by members of his own party.
All legal and such.


47 posted on 03/02/2014 1:49:06 PM PST by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: swamprebel
If your government called out Military snippers to shoot you down in the streets, because you had an opposing view, bet you’d defend yourself too.

You seem to forget here bro, there was no intent of a peaceful protest, the insurgents came armed with whatever weaponry they could get their hands on..........

And it wasn't until the armed insurgents got out of control that the police responded in kind with weapons fire........

48 posted on 03/02/2014 1:53:48 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Was Occam's razor made by Gillette?)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Those armed insurgents had been protesting in the Maidan SQ. for Months. Russia’s Puppet Mr. Yanukovych, elected to bring the Ukraine into the EU, instead tried to take the Ukraine back behind the imaginary Iron Curtain that still lives in Putin’s head. Putin has poisoned past leaders, candidates and general opposition with radiation isotopes, lest you forget Alexander Litvinenko, Boris Berezovsky, or Anna Politkovskaya (Murdered on Putin’s Birthday). And now he breaks international law. Try to spin the low info folks, But it won’t work with me. Bro!


49 posted on 03/02/2014 2:05:54 PM PST by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: Hot Tabasco
the police responded in kind

Local police my arse, they were paramilitary snippers. Even the UK Telegraph picked up on that.

50 posted on 03/02/2014 2:08:11 PM PST by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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