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Ukraine Puts Troops on High Alert, Threatening War
New York Times ^ | March 2, 2014 | ALISON SMALE and STEVEN ERLANGER

Posted on 03/02/2014 10:58:00 AM PST by Navy Patriot

SIMFEROPOL, Ukraine — Ukraine put its military on high alert Sunday in response to Russia’s move to seize control of the Crimean Peninsula, and it threatened war against Moscow if the Kremlin made further incursions into Ukrainian territory as Western powers scrambled to find a response to the crisis.

“This is the red alert, this is not a threat, this is actually a declaration of war to my country,” Ukraine’s prime minister, Arseniy P. Yatsenyuk, told reporters in English, a day after Russia’s parliament approved the deployment of troops to any part of Ukraine where Moscow deems Russians are in danger. He warned that Ukraine was on the “brink of disaster” and appealed to the international community to stand by Kiev.

As Ukrainians gathered in central Kiev for a large patriotic rally, Russian troops without badges and pro-Russian “self-defense” forces surrounded some Ukrainian military bases in Crimea, urging the soldiers and sailors to defect to the new authorities not recognized by Kiev. There was tension and discussion, but no violence from either side.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: bhorussia; crimea; russia; troopmovement; ukraine; ukrainecrisis; viktoryanukovich; war; yuliatymoshenko

1 posted on 03/02/2014 10:58:00 AM PST by Navy Patriot
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To: Navy Patriot

the Ukrainians are crazy if they start a fight with the Russian Army . Don’t even go there . Better to partition the country along ethic and linguistic lines peacefully and show the world it can be done . Like Czechoslovakia. No shame , orderly division and new , separate national identities. Stop trying to force square pegs into round holes .


2 posted on 03/02/2014 11:00:42 AM PST by LeoWindhorse
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To: LeoWindhorse

Amen!


3 posted on 03/02/2014 11:01:34 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: LeoWindhorse

That’s what I have been saying! After all, 58% of the people in Crimea are ethnic Russians, and Crimea was part of Russia until 1954.


4 posted on 03/02/2014 11:06:07 AM PST by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: Former Fetus

Only reason Crimea is part of the Ukraine, is Khrushchev, who was still locked in a power struggle after Stalin’s death, wanted to make nice with the Ukrainians he brutally ruled over.


5 posted on 03/02/2014 11:08:30 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: LeoWindhorse
Like Czechoslovakia

Just curious, are you referring to Czech post cold break-up or are you referring to Hitler's advance on Czech "to protect ethnic German's". Because we all know how peace in our time worked out so well then...

6 posted on 03/02/2014 11:10:06 AM PST by 11th Commandment ("THOSE WHO TIRE LOSE")
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To: 11th Commandment

no no , I am referring when the Czech’s decided to partition into the Czech Republic and Slovakia , and internal initiative , as Ukraines could be also , and entirely peaceful . No blood shed


7 posted on 03/02/2014 11:18:19 AM PST by LeoWindhorse
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To: LeoWindhorse

The “Velvet Divorce”.

Havel was a great man for acknowledging the realities and didn’t fight it. Too bad there aren’t more like him.


8 posted on 03/02/2014 11:20:07 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: LeoWindhorse
Wait till the SW USA decided to secede and create a new Mexican nation based language and culture.
9 posted on 03/02/2014 11:23:11 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Already been asked.....
10 posted on 03/02/2014 11:25:52 AM PST by Dallas59 (Obama: The first "White Black" President.)
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To: dfwgator

***Only reason Crimea is part of the Ukraine***

Why is this a US problem? It should be a British-French problem as they have been there before. Send in the Light Brigade!


11 posted on 03/02/2014 11:25:55 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: LeoWindhorse
I think the larger part of the Ukrainian military will go on vacation, refuse to recognize the unelected Maiden Nazi government or defect to Russia.

Western Ukraine will ask for Western military intervention, several vetoes will disable the UN, then European NATO nations get to volunteer to be the battlefield.

Any takers?

12 posted on 03/02/2014 11:26:24 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: LeoWindhorse

By inviting in ethnic groups from “diverse” countries we have set ourselves up for the same partitioning along ethnic lines. No, diversity is NOT good. Nobody ever fought because they were too similar.


13 posted on 03/02/2014 11:26:32 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I agree, these issues should have been settled back in the 90s, did the Ukrainians really think Russia was going to give up their claims on The Crimea and the Donetsk region?


14 posted on 03/02/2014 11:28:39 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Navy Patriot

I just got off the phone with my friends in Europe. Interesting conversation, it seems that the area where Putin is sending in troops is ethnically 75% Russian, who speak Russian not Ukraine. In 1954 Krushchev gave that territory to the Ukraine, which my friends think was while he was under the influence of too much vodka. It is also a strategic location for Russia as it is there that they have access to their naval assets. (But we already know that.) They don’t think Putin wants all of the Ukraine, just a guarantee that he has unrestricted access to the ports. Sorta reminds me of 1939 Danzig, hopefully it will end peacefully.


15 posted on 03/02/2014 11:36:34 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft (2016 an election or a coronation of a Queen?)
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To: Bringbackthedraft
Sorta reminds me of 1939 Danzig, hopefully it will end peacefully.

Big difference. Hitler just didn't want Danzig...That was just a pretext for destroying Poland as a whole.

Putin truly just wants the primarily Russian speaking regions. I think then he doesn't care what the rest of Ukraine does.

16 posted on 03/02/2014 11:38:14 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Navy Patriot

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17 posted on 03/02/2014 11:45:13 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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18 posted on 03/02/2014 11:50:18 AM PST by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Bringbackthedraft
In 1954 Krushchev gave that territory to the Ukraine, which my friends think was while he was under the influence of too much vodka.

True, Khrushchev needed to consolidate his power, so he favored Ukraine to make up for past abuses, and gain their support. It wasn't just a whim, and there was little ethnic compatibility among the consolidated groups.

If the West accepts the partition of Ukraine, with Russia keeping the South, East and all seacoast, there will be no war.

19 posted on 03/02/2014 11:51:37 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: dfwgator
Putin truly just wants the primarily Russian speaking regions. I think then he doesn't care what the rest of Ukraine does.

You be right.

20 posted on 03/02/2014 11:53:13 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Navy Patriot; MinuteGal

If the West accepts the partition of Ukraine, with Russia keeping the South, East and all seacoast, there will be no war.

And that would leave Ukraine landlocked, which they will not accept. War then would indeed be an option on the part of the Ukraine. Russia can’t just grab all the good parts geographically speaking, and leave western Ukraine with the leftovers. Well, this could get interesting. A lot of the Crimea is arrid, and it’s water comes from the western part of the Ukraine. Just as Russia could cut off gas, Ukraine could cut off water supplies to Crimea. Isn’t this all fun?


21 posted on 03/02/2014 12:44:06 PM PST by flaglady47 (Oppressors can tyranize only w/a standing army-enslaved press-disarmed populace)
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To: LeoWindhorse
No shame , orderly division and new , separate national identities. Stop trying to force square pegs into round holes .

And that might occur if the Ukrainians were actually running the show.

22 posted on 03/02/2014 12:48:05 PM PST by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
I enjoyed the personal paintings on your profile page. Me gustan, senor.

Leni

23 posted on 03/02/2014 1:07:10 PM PST by MinuteGal
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To: Navy Patriot

I guess obama’s playing spades w/ reggie love rights about now


24 posted on 03/02/2014 1:08:46 PM PST by Pietro
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To: Navy Patriot

Obama tells Putin ‘if you like Ukraine you can keep Ukraine’


25 posted on 03/02/2014 6:11:12 PM PST by ncfool (Obama's aMeriKa 2012 The land of entitlement for the 51% crowd.)
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To: ncfool
Obama tells Putin ‘if you like Ukraine you can keep Ukraine’

Putin tells Obama: "You like Nazi, you keep Nazi"

26 posted on 03/02/2014 6:15:43 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

no , actually the US should invade and annex Mexico and finish what should have been completed in 1849 .


27 posted on 03/02/2014 8:13:37 PM PST by LeoWindhorse
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