Skip to comments.US moves to isolate Russia from 'community of civilized nations'
Posted on 03/02/2014 5:26:16 PM PST by SkyPilot
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Good point. We double crossed Poland, and now Obama is calling them for help?
I don’t need to answer Palins questions or statements. I was just tossing out what this prof said about we might be on the wrong side of this deal and Putin so FAR is only protecting Russian interests in Crimea by not invading the Ukraine.
Maybe they could get their sycophants in the media to call this “The Baltic Spring.”
First, she was right. Second, the thing she could not have forseen is that a big chunk of those folks WANT Russia there now...or to go back.
When I look at Russia and the EU I do not see one being far more evil than the other. And to be completely honest, it’s their call anyway. We have ZERO business in any of it.
Agree. 981 more days of Obama and we may not have a country even left.
Krosan had a really good answer to the prof. Thanks for bringing in what he said, actually, as I had wondered myself why Medvedev wasn’t right that “they should have impeached him.” I think Krosan’s perspective went a long way to answering that.
You are correct. The Ukrainian President and legislature was duly elected. The media isn’t exactly pointing that out, are they?
So we should just sit back and do nothing while Uncle Vlad rebuilds the Soviet Union? Nuclear war was always a possibility during CWI. Should we have just cut and run from that war too?
What exactly do you propose we do? Not yesterday because thats over. You want war? Thats your option. You want to dictate to Russia what they are gonna do? With Barry and the GOP clowns in charge? Because that’s your option.
So tell me. What are we going to do?
look at reply 49 for a different read on that.
Which nation is promoting sodomy? It ain’t Russia.
I keep turning her down. She reminds me too much of that crazy eyed, obsessive ex girlfriend pic that’s on the interwebs.
Now where have I heard of an unethical politician used their limited power with corrupt judges to consolidate power??? Oh, I remember, now the question is who followed whom, Oslimey or Yanukovich?
Seriously, thanks for clarifying.
It amazes me. Russia 2014 under Putin is closer to America under Reagan than we are at this moment.
And still people think WE have ‘moral authority’ to dictate squat to anyone.
Nuclear brinkmanship with these ass clowns in charge is a scary thought. They can't even build a website with proper security.
Send weapons and advisers immediately to Ukraine. NATO should start massing it’s forces in Eastern Europe for future action. Freeze all Russian assets in the West. That’s a start.
It seems to me that the Ukrainians practice what the founders gave us as an option for tyranical govt. And threw out their corruption. And a significant portion WANT Russian influence/protection/governance.
Compare it to us. What if CW2 started and the right got help from say Israel. Most of the world would demand we return control to liberals and condemn Israel as tyrants and oppressors.
Should we give it back so as to not offend?
Russell Berman needs to take a refresher course in writing. I can hardly understand this article.
Under what moral authority? After what we did in Egypt and Syria?
you want to provoke a war with Barry and Mccain running it? Be my guest. Just build me a bunker first. Since you are going to die in that war, I want a chance to survive it.
How about Hagel coming out tomorrow and admitting that he “miscalculated” and putting the force degradation he announced last week on hold. And Obama ok’ing Keystone?
You are right. But also, visas. The Russkies, those who can afford it, i.e. the oligarchs, so love their country that they use every occasion to travel to and vacation in the West. I’m told they are overrunning Miami, and needless to say, many Western European resorts. Cancels those cats’ visas and Putin will fall.
Which should be done anyway. But yea, that is something we could do. Totally agree. I just see it as insanity to threaten Russia from a position of impotence.
But then a war would wipe out a lot of debt and messy constitutional stuff...
Agreed but it’s better than the alternative of total surrender. Putin will not stop at Crimea or Ukraine. He wants it all.
I’m finding myself a little stymied by my ignorance; don’t really know Ukraine’s pre-1917 status. Was it part of czarist Russia? I’ll say this, of the long excerpt I put in above from Churchill , the last line is the most salient for us in 2014. Then we can can have the confidence of the moral authority that did inspire the bloodless revolutions of the early 90’s in the USSR and even put the Chinese students in Tianamen Square with their replicas of the Statue of Liberty.
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
I would say we “HAD” the moral authority that inspired. but we give guns to drug cartels, overthrow governments and install Muslim theocracies of our choosing, demand the world worship gays and kill our own children by the millions.
We need to sit down and shut up until we regain something resembling morality and justice before we demand it from others.
American conservatives are not Russian loving commies. How dare you compare the two.
Spare me the false indignation. Answer the question or don’t. But it is a legitimate one.
They are not Americans. It’s their countries. What ‘conservative’ is so arrogant to dictate to them what to do? No real conservative at all.
Obama tells Putin if you like Ukraine you can keep Ukraine
Now THAT wouldn’t be a lie.
Two big issues in Russia’s favor:
1. Russia is rich in natural resources; someone will always want to strike a deal.
2. Obama is a dipshit.
Amen; don’t know whether you’re Protestant and I don’t mean to bring in any kind of religious argument here except as to the bedrock on which the values Churchill spoke of were built, but did you know that Queen Elizabeth II in her coronation year 1953, commanded that a King James Bible be given to every child born in Britain that year?
Always happy to hear from Sam, the father of the American Revolution.
Was raised RC but just consider myself non denominational Christian with some RC guilt holding me over their way ;)
RE the Queen...Nope I didn’t but to be sure A little morality guidance sure can go a long way.
So, Mr. Obama, one lump . . .
. . . or lots and lots of lumps?!?
Coke. They needed it to get back to Barry's World of Make Believe where King Barry the Infallible lives.
All the us blabbering about "isolating" Russia will do is make a half dozen European countries publicly admit they're going to ignore the US effort to isolate Russia instead of just quietly ignoring Russia moving into the Ukraine once Putin limits himself to the Eastern part of the country.
What's Barry going to promise them if they go along, a natural gas pipeline across the Atlantic? That he'll build a fleet of ships to keep them supplied with oil and natural gas? Oh, I know, he'll give the coal industry a bunch of EPA waivers and sell Europeans coal at a really, really, low price.
Barry is flopping around like a fish out of water and the whole world other than the complete idiots who worship him knows it.
This morning when surfing news channels I caught a discussion(sorry, forgot which channel) with a well known college professor commenting about the Ukraine mess. He said that in 2010 Ukraine had a monitored(by the US and many other western countries)national election that elected their president as well as the legislature. The elections were declared fair and legal. Now comes 2014 and the riots start, resulting in the overthrow of the president and their 1300 legislators are thrown out of office.
A council then appointed a new president as well as new legislators. Not elected, but appointed. Now comes Putin in the Crimea and so far only the Crimea protecting their interests in the naval and other military facilities in there.
So who supports the legal and proper government of Ukraine? Putin or Obammy? Obammy seems to me to support the illegal self appointed government! Rebels, revolutionists.
Is Obammy, OKerry, the MSM and all the rest of the world on the wrong side?
What makes you think Obama and Putin are on opposite sides?
Was a part of Russia, at least on the map , for a long time.
From my perspective, I think it is correct to say now that we actually lost the Cold War. Just look at a resurgent Russia and a bankrupt US being run by a bunch of crony oligarchs. We have traded places.
The entire thing sounds like a mess. A modern ‘First Triumverate’ with three powerful Ukrainian politicians backstabbing each other for the last 10 years over hegemony. Yulia Tymoshenko, Viktor Yushchenko, and Viktor Yanukovych.
Feel the power of the glow. And be divided...
Of course the Russian for "offramp" translates as "blowjob."
What is Obama going to do?
Unfriend Putin on Facebook??
Putin is the most influential leader of the world, now. And it’s what the TV told the American Sheeple to vote for.
Only if you don't include our cities with more than 50,000 population.
But at least the homos can demand cakes be baked for them, and demand pictures taken of them eating it.
Amen to that.
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