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US moves to isolate Russia from 'community of civilized nations'
The Hill ^ | 2 March 14 | Russell Berman

Posted on 03/02/2014 5:26:16 PM PST by SkyPilot

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To: dfwgator

Good point. We double crossed Poland, and now Obama is calling them for help?


51 posted on 03/02/2014 6:40:01 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: gusopol3

I don’t need to answer Palins questions or statements. I was just tossing out what this prof said about we might be on the wrong side of this deal and Putin so FAR is only protecting Russian interests in Crimea by not invading the Ukraine.


52 posted on 03/02/2014 6:41:18 PM PST by biff (WAS)
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To: Ellendra

Maybe they could get their sycophants in the media to call this “The Baltic Spring.”


53 posted on 03/02/2014 6:41:40 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: gusopol3

First, she was right. Second, the thing she could not have forseen is that a big chunk of those folks WANT Russia there now...or to go back.

When I look at Russia and the EU I do not see one being far more evil than the other. And to be completely honest, it’s their call anyway. We have ZERO business in any of it.


54 posted on 03/02/2014 6:43:01 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: magua

Agree. 981 more days of Obama and we may not have a country even left.


55 posted on 03/02/2014 6:44:27 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: biff

Krosan had a really good answer to the prof. Thanks for bringing in what he said, actually, as I had wondered myself why Medvedev wasn’t right that “they should have impeached him.” I think Krosan’s perspective went a long way to answering that.


56 posted on 03/02/2014 6:45:54 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: biff

You are correct. The Ukrainian President and legislature was duly elected. The media isn’t exactly pointing that out, are they?


57 posted on 03/02/2014 6:47:31 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Norm Lenhart

So we should just sit back and do nothing while Uncle Vlad rebuilds the Soviet Union? Nuclear war was always a possibility during CWI. Should we have just cut and run from that war too?


58 posted on 03/02/2014 6:49:56 PM PST by Red White and Blue patriot (USA all the way. Love it or Leave it. Putin = Hitler 2014)
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To: Red White and Blue patriot

What exactly do you propose we do? Not yesterday because thats over. You want war? Thats your option. You want to dictate to Russia what they are gonna do? With Barry and the GOP clowns in charge? Because that’s your option.

So tell me. What are we going to do?


59 posted on 03/02/2014 6:53:44 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: SkyPilot

look at reply 49 for a different read on that.


60 posted on 03/02/2014 6:54:34 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: SkyPilot

Which nation is promoting sodomy? It ain’t Russia.


61 posted on 03/02/2014 6:55:13 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: KC_Lion

I keep turning her down. She reminds me too much of that crazy eyed, obsessive ex girlfriend pic that’s on the interwebs.


62 posted on 03/02/2014 6:56:51 PM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Krosan

Now where have I heard of an unethical politician used their limited power with corrupt judges to consolidate power??? Oh, I remember, now the question is who followed whom, Oslimey or Yanukovich?

Seriously, thanks for clarifying.


63 posted on 03/02/2014 6:58:32 PM PST by biff (WAS)
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To: dfwgator

It amazes me. Russia 2014 under Putin is closer to America under Reagan than we are at this moment.

And still people think WE have ‘moral authority’ to dictate squat to anyone.


64 posted on 03/02/2014 6:58:36 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart
From Chuchill's Iron Curtain speech, which I posted last night: Now I come to the second of the two marauders, to the second danger which threatens the cottage homes, and the ordinary people -- namely, tyranny. We cannot be blind to the fact that the liberties enjoyed by individual citizens throughout the United States and throughout the British Empire are not valid in a considerable number of countries, some of which are very powerful. In these States control is enforced upon the common people by various kinds of all-embracing police governments to a degree which is overwhelming and contrary to every principle of democracy. The power of the State is exercised without restraint, either by dictators or by compact oligarchies operating through a privileged party and a political police. It is not our duty at this time when difficulties are so numerous to interfere forcibly in the internal affairs of countries which we have not conquered in war. but we must never cease to proclaim in fearless tones the great principles of freedom and the rights of man which are the joint inheritance of the English-speaking world and which through Magna Carta, the Bill of rights, the Habeas Corpus, trial by jury, and the English common law find their most famous expression in the American Declaration of Independence. All this means that the people of any country have the right, and should have the power by constitutional action, by free unfettered elections, with secret ballot, to choose or change the character or form of government under which they dwell; that freedom of speech and thought should reign; that courts of justice, independent of the executive, unbiased by any party, should administer laws which have received the broad assent of large majorities or are consecrated by time and custom. Here are the title deeds of freedom which should lie in every cottage home. Here is the message of the British and American peoples to mankind. Let us preach what we practice -- let us practice what we preach.
65 posted on 03/02/2014 7:00:02 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: Red White and Blue patriot
Nuclear war was always a possibility during CWI.

Nuclear brinkmanship with these ass clowns in charge is a scary thought. They can't even build a website with proper security.

66 posted on 03/02/2014 7:02:06 PM PST by virgil
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To: Norm Lenhart

Send weapons and advisers immediately to Ukraine. NATO should start massing it’s forces in Eastern Europe for future action. Freeze all Russian assets in the West. That’s a start.


67 posted on 03/02/2014 7:08:10 PM PST by Red White and Blue patriot (USA all the way. Love it or Leave it. Putin = Hitler 2014)
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To: gusopol3

It seems to me that the Ukrainians practice what the founders gave us as an option for tyranical govt. And threw out their corruption. And a significant portion WANT Russian influence/protection/governance.

Compare it to us. What if CW2 started and the right got help from say Israel. Most of the world would demand we return control to liberals and condemn Israel as tyrants and oppressors.

Should we give it back so as to not offend?


68 posted on 03/02/2014 7:08:47 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: SkyPilot

Russell Berman needs to take a refresher course in writing. I can hardly understand this article.


69 posted on 03/02/2014 7:10:13 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The PASSING LANE is for PASSING, not DAWDLING)
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To: Red White and Blue patriot

Under what moral authority? After what we did in Egypt and Syria?

you want to provoke a war with Barry and Mccain running it? Be my guest. Just build me a bunker first. Since you are going to die in that war, I want a chance to survive it.


70 posted on 03/02/2014 7:10:54 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Red White and Blue patriot

How about Hagel coming out tomorrow and admitting that he “miscalculated” and putting the force degradation he announced last week on hold. And Obama ok’ing Keystone?


71 posted on 03/02/2014 7:11:38 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: Red White and Blue patriot

You are right. But also, visas. The Russkies, those who can afford it, i.e. the oligarchs, so love their country that they use every occasion to travel to and vacation in the West. I’m told they are overrunning Miami, and needless to say, many Western European resorts. Cancels those cats’ visas and Putin will fall.


72 posted on 03/02/2014 7:15:28 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: gusopol3

Which should be done anyway. But yea, that is something we could do. Totally agree. I just see it as insanity to threaten Russia from a position of impotence.

But then a war would wipe out a lot of debt and messy constitutional stuff...


73 posted on 03/02/2014 7:15:29 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: virgil

Agreed but it’s better than the alternative of total surrender. Putin will not stop at Crimea or Ukraine. He wants it all.


74 posted on 03/02/2014 7:19:28 PM PST by Red White and Blue patriot (USA all the way. Love it or Leave it. Putin = Hitler 2014)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
Are they smoking dope or doing lines of blow again in the White House?

Likely both...

75 posted on 03/02/2014 7:22:27 PM PST by varmintman
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To: Norm Lenhart

I’m finding myself a little stymied by my ignorance; don’t really know Ukraine’s pre-1917 status. Was it part of czarist Russia? I’ll say this, of the long excerpt I put in above from Churchill , the last line is the most salient for us in 2014. Then we can can have the confidence of the moral authority that did inspire the bloodless revolutions of the early 90’s in the USSR and even put the Chinese students in Tianamen Square with their replicas of the Statue of Liberty.


76 posted on 03/02/2014 7:25:07 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3
Good one, I might add?

If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.

Samuel Adams

77 posted on 03/02/2014 7:27:57 PM PST by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: gusopol3

I would say we “HAD” the moral authority that inspired. but we give guns to drug cartels, overthrow governments and install Muslim theocracies of our choosing, demand the world worship gays and kill our own children by the millions.

We need to sit down and shut up until we regain something resembling morality and justice before we demand it from others.


78 posted on 03/02/2014 7:29:18 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

American conservatives are not Russian loving commies. How dare you compare the two.


79 posted on 03/02/2014 7:33:44 PM PST by Red White and Blue patriot (USA all the way. Love it or Leave it. Putin = Hitler 2014)
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To: Red White and Blue patriot

Spare me the false indignation. Answer the question or don’t. But it is a legitimate one.

They are not Americans. It’s their countries. What ‘conservative’ is so arrogant to dictate to them what to do? No real conservative at all.


80 posted on 03/02/2014 7:36:52 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: ncfool

Obama tells Putin ‘if you like Ukraine you can keep Ukraine’
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Now THAT wouldn’t be a lie.


81 posted on 03/02/2014 7:41:57 PM PST by o-n-money
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To: Revolting cat!
I thought about that, but I question how effective it would be. Putin had no problem throwing oligarchs in prison and keeping their families and friends under house arrest before so I don't see him holding back if he starts seeing the new ones as a threat to his power. And with all the surveillance Putin has going on of his political enemies, he will know if they are about to turn on him. He would just confiscate their assets and give it to his lackeys to keep their loyalty.
82 posted on 03/02/2014 7:47:26 PM PST by Red White and Blue patriot (USA all the way. Love it or Leave it. Putin = Hitler 2014)
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To: SkyPilot

Two big issues in Russia’s favor:

1. Russia is rich in natural resources; someone will always want to strike a deal.

2. Obama is a dipshit.


83 posted on 03/02/2014 7:51:48 PM PST by Rembrandt (Part of the 51% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Amen; don’t know whether you’re Protestant and I don’t mean to bring in any kind of religious argument here except as to the bedrock on which the values Churchill spoke of were built, but did you know that Queen Elizabeth II in her coronation year 1953, commanded that a King James Bible be given to every child born in Britain that year?


84 posted on 03/02/2014 7:53:32 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: swamprebel

Always happy to hear from Sam, the father of the American Revolution.


85 posted on 03/02/2014 7:55:00 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3

Was raised RC but just consider myself non denominational Christian with some RC guilt holding me over their way ;)

RE the Queen...Nope I didn’t but to be sure A little morality guidance sure can go a long way.


86 posted on 03/02/2014 7:56:32 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart; KC_Lion
Hey KC, remember me saying Fallout isn’t gonna be just a videogame? Between this idiot and the GOP pushing it, we are gonna feel the power of Atom and be divided real soon now.

So, Mr. Obama, one lump . . .

. . . or lots and lots of lumps?!?


87 posted on 03/02/2014 8:03:34 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The PASSING LANE is for PASSING, not DAWDLING)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
"Are they smoking dope or doing lines of blow again in the White House?"

Coke. They needed it to get back to Barry's World of Make Believe where King Barry the Infallible lives.

All the us blabbering about "isolating" Russia will do is make a half dozen European countries publicly admit they're going to ignore the US effort to isolate Russia instead of just quietly ignoring Russia moving into the Ukraine once Putin limits himself to the Eastern part of the country.

What's Barry going to promise them if they go along, a natural gas pipeline across the Atlantic? That he'll build a fleet of ships to keep them supplied with oil and natural gas? Oh, I know, he'll give the coal industry a bunch of EPA waivers and sell Europeans coal at a really, really, low price.

Barry is flopping around like a fish out of water and the whole world other than the complete idiots who worship him knows it.

88 posted on 03/02/2014 8:07:11 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: biff
Somebody on here comment:

This morning when surfing news channels I caught a discussion(sorry, forgot which channel) with a well known college professor commenting about the Ukraine mess. He said that in 2010 Ukraine had a monitored(by the US and many other western countries)national election that elected their president as well as the legislature. The elections were declared fair and legal. Now comes 2014 and the riots start, resulting in the overthrow of the president and their 1300 legislators are thrown out of office.

A council then appointed a new president as well as new legislators. Not elected, but appointed. Now comes Putin in the Crimea and so far only the Crimea protecting their interests in the naval and other military facilities in there.

So who supports the legal and proper government of Ukraine? Putin or Obammy? Obammy seems to me to support the illegal self appointed government! Rebels, revolutionists.

Is Obammy, OKerry, the MSM and all the rest of the world on the wrong side?

What makes you think Obama and Putin are on opposite sides?

The Hidden Hand of Controlled Opposition

89 posted on 03/02/2014 8:12:52 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: gusopol3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8OEuj6-pVg

Was a part of Russia, at least on the map , for a long time.


90 posted on 03/02/2014 8:23:16 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: Krosan
So Yanukovich was basically doing in the Ukraine what Obama has been doing in the US ? Giving himself powers he was not entitled to have. Great. When do we get to riot ?
91 posted on 03/02/2014 8:32:25 PM PST by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Red White and Blue patriot
Nuclear war was always a possibility during CWI.

From my perspective, I think it is correct to say now that we actually lost the Cold War. Just look at a resurgent Russia and a bankrupt US being run by a bunch of crony oligarchs. We have traded places.

92 posted on 03/02/2014 8:35:11 PM PST by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Krosan

The entire thing sounds like a mess. A modern ‘First Triumverate’ with three powerful Ukrainian politicians backstabbing each other for the last 10 years over hegemony. Yulia Tymoshenko, Viktor Yushchenko, and Viktor Yanukovych.


93 posted on 03/02/2014 8:39:17 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdkOGH52_ms

Feel the power of the glow. And be divided...


94 posted on 03/02/2014 8:40:54 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: SkyPilot
The strategy, described in a briefing senior administration officials on the condition of anonymity, was aimed at demonstrating to Putin that his intervention in Crimea would not go unpunished while also offering him “an offramp” if he chose to reverse course.

Of course the Russian for "offramp" translates as "blowjob."

95 posted on 03/02/2014 9:15:43 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: SkyPilot
And don't forget this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPMmC0UAnj0

96 posted on 03/02/2014 9:21:34 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: SkyPilot; All

What is Obama going to do?

Unfriend Putin on Facebook??
Putin is the most influential leader of the world, now. And it’s what the TV told the American Sheeple to vote for.


97 posted on 03/02/2014 10:14:50 PM PST by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: greene66
Is America still technically regarded a civilized nation?

Only if you don't include our cities with more than 50,000 population.

98 posted on 03/03/2014 12:33:01 AM PST by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: wetgundog

But at least the homos can demand cakes be baked for them, and demand pictures taken of them eating it.


99 posted on 03/03/2014 12:40:26 AM PST by OldNewYork
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To: dfwgator

Amen to that.


100 posted on 03/03/2014 2:42:04 AM PST by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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