Skip to comments.Turkey caught in the Russia-Crimea snowstorm
Posted on 03/02/2014 5:48:25 PM PST by BlackVeil
As I am writing this article, Turkish Foreign Minister Davutoğlu is still in Ukraine to discuss the situation in the Crimea region. ... In an article in last weeks Russian Pravda, it was noted that if Ukraine was divided, then the status of the Crimean Peninsula returned to Ukraine in 1954 by Nikita Kruschev, would be open to discussion, and that would include Turkey having a say in the future of Crimea.
Russia gains control over Crimea
The reference to this claim is the Küçük Kaynarca (Karlowitz I) signed 230 years ago. As per this agreement, signed by the Russian Tsarina Catherine II on April 19, 1783, the Crimean Peninsula was taken away from the dominion of the Ottomans and handed over to Russia. However, one of the most important provisions of this treaty was the debarment of independence for the Peninsula and outlawing its submission to a third party: Should any such attempt be made, then Crimea would automatically have to be returned to the sovereignty of Turkey.
When Ukraine appeared as an independent nation following the disintegration of the USSR in 1991, Turkey acquired the right to claim the Peninsula back based on the Treaty of Küçük Kaynarca ...
(Excerpt) Read more at english.alarabiya.net ...
When do the turks give back Constantinople?
I say good. Let the Russians worry about the Turks, they’re going to turn on us at some point (the turks, if they havn’t secretly already).
Interesting but IMHO, if they didn’t object and/or participate when Ukraine became independent, they voided their own deal.
I wondering that too LOL!
In the immortal words of Lee Corso, Mr. Putin..”Not so fast”.
Interesting history. But beyond silly as law. Europe would look very different if based on 1789 treaties.
But a bigger take away is that since the era of Catherine the Great, Russia has controlled Crimea.
That’s why this case of the vapors will go nowhere. Its been home to the Russian fleet since it had tall ships,,, with sails.
I completely agree - that old Treaty is long since obsolete - but it is a record of claims which are still valid in the eyes of some nations in the Middle East - especially Turkey.
Turkey sees itself as the protector of the Tatar people of the Crimea. They, in turn, are Muslim and anti-Russian. Many of them managed to return to the homeland after decades of exile, as described in that article, and they are now a growing Crimean minority.
In my misspent youth there was a period when some Arabs were working hard to persuade me to Islam. Several times during these sessions when we were all very drunk (yeah, I know) they would opine that somehow Spain still belonged to them.
Why did The Crimea get the works?
So basically Russia will have to annex Crimea outright.
tell that to the Armenians
Parasitic Turks have no say in anything.
Or the Greeks who colonized the whole Black Sea area well before all of them except the Turks and the Russians deported or murdered them during the Soviet era as well as Catherine the Great another monster.
The large Russian population was relocated by the Soviet era .
All this crap that its Russian is pure propaganda
Crimea people voted back in 2000 to stay part of the Ukraine but semi autonomous. .
I think Putin should march Russian troops into Turkey and reinstate orthodox Christianty.
He’d be a hero if he did that.
Based on the treaty:
Article XIV-Grants permission to the High Court of Russia to build a public church of the Greek ritual in Istanbul. The church will always be under the protection of the ministers of the Russian Empire.
He’d also cause the automatic invoking of the NATO Treaty (Turkey is a long standing member) meaning the probable start of WWIII. And the Turkish military, even if they had to fight on their own, are no light weights. Unless Russia were to go nuclear they could probably hand Putin’s Russian military, which had its hands full dealing with the Chechens, their heads on a platter.
As far as Western Ukraine goes, the Poles are sending a message to Putin there as well. These aren’t the Poles of 39, they’ve been in Iraq and Afghanistan, and will go toe-to-toe with them if it comes down to it (pray it doesn’t).
This year has the aroma of a vintage 1938. Russia under what is basically a national socialist regime headed by a trained KGB apparatchik, and Obama reeks of weakness and incompetence. Based on the face of America the media displays one would think we’ve become a nation of mincing drag queens. Unfortunately, that is exactly the type the American people, in their very finite wisdom, have handed the reins of state power to.
Turkey has a big say in Syria - to an astonishing degree.
Imagine, that a NATO member is allowed to assemble an army of insurgents on its border, and arm them to attack a neighboring sovereign state.
And who gets international sanctions in this case? The Syrians who are under attack.
Turkey and Europe will ignore Russia taking everything east of the Dnieper as long as Russia is willing to discuss the future of the Crimea in order to keep Turkey from moving even further away from Europe and towards the coming Caliphate.
And, Russia will discuss the matter. For at least a decade.
Sounds like a problem that the British, French and Turks have faced before! 1853-1856.
Send in the Light Brigade!
Thought I had remembered reading that America supported Russia during the Crimean War ?
What fickle friends we have become (sic)
The treaty doesn’t state what the article is claiming
Turkey tries to talk about Turkic brotherhood (Turkic nations include Uighuristan/Xinjiang/East Turkestan, Kirghizia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Turkey and Azerbaijan), but is powerless against the Chinese atrocities in Xinjiang, far less in Russia. The Turks have other things to worry about
The english and french were b***ards to fight against russia in the crimean war — they fought on the side of Moslems against their Christian fellow-men.
They haven’t changed.
Putin should at very least pressure Turkey to give back Hagia Sofia to the Orthodox Church.
The gears are in place to add Criemea to Mother Russia. All that is needed is a vote and up goes the white, Blue and Red. Then they will need a land link to Russia-—Little we can do—Russia got bigger, Ukraine smaller. All done with no lives lost (for now).
The Tatars are Greek descended, amongst a half dozen pre=14th century ethnic groups that melded into the Tatar identity in the Crimea.
It is interesting the Crimean War started over a fist fight between Orthodox and Catholic monks in Bethlehem over who should install a new star on the spot Jesus was born on.
The Turks had to send in troops to break it up.
From what I’ve read, the Orthodox sent a plea to Mother Russia for help, the Catholics sent a plea to France. Britain got involved because she wanted to keep Russia contained in it’s area.
What a mess!
Brits French and Turks were wrong then and they would be immoral again now.
Exactly. as a Catholic to me, that is appalling. The English were cynical in their “great game” play