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Turkey caught in the Russia-Crimea snowstorm
Al-Arabiya ^ | 1 March 2014 | Ceylan Ozbudak

Posted on 03/02/2014 5:48:25 PM PST by BlackVeil

As I am writing this article, Turkish Foreign Minister Davutoğlu is still in Ukraine to discuss the situation in the Crimea region. ... In an article in last week’s Russian Pravda, it was noted that if Ukraine was divided, then the status of the Crimean Peninsula – returned to Ukraine in 1954 by Nikita Kruschev, would be open to discussion, and that would include Turkey having a say in the future of Crimea.

Russia gains control over Crimea

The reference to this claim is the “Küçük Kaynarca” (Karlowitz I) signed 230 years ago. As per this agreement, signed by the Russian Tsarina Catherine II on April 19, 1783, the Crimean Peninsula was taken away from the dominion of the Ottomans and handed over to Russia. However, one of the most important provisions of this treaty was the debarment of independence for the Peninsula and outlawing its submission to a third party: Should any such attempt be made, then Crimea would automatically have to be returned to the sovereignty of Turkey.

When Ukraine appeared as an independent nation following the disintegration of the USSR in 1991, Turkey acquired the right to claim the Peninsula back based on the Treaty of Küçük Kaynarca ...

(Excerpt) Read more at english.alarabiya.net ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: crimea; russia; turkey
This article is informative about the historical background and the basis in Ottoman history.
1 posted on 03/02/2014 5:48:25 PM PST by BlackVeil
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To: BlackVeil

When do the turks give back Constantinople?


2 posted on 03/02/2014 5:54:27 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: BlackVeil

I say good. Let the Russians worry about the Turks, they’re going to turn on us at some point (the turks, if they havn’t secretly already).


3 posted on 03/02/2014 5:56:14 PM PST by Usagi_yo (Standardization is an Evolutionary dead end.)
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To: BlackVeil

Interesting but IMHO, if they didn’t object and/or participate when Ukraine became independent, they voided their own deal.


4 posted on 03/02/2014 5:58:48 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: 2banana

I wondering that too LOL!


5 posted on 03/02/2014 6:02:28 PM PST by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: BlackVeil

In the immortal words of Lee Corso, Mr. Putin..”Not so fast”.


6 posted on 03/02/2014 6:04:19 PM PST by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: BlackVeil

Interesting history. But beyond silly as law. Europe would look very different if based on 1789 treaties.
But a bigger take away is that since the era of Catherine the Great, Russia has controlled Crimea.

That’s why this case of the vapors will go nowhere. Its been home to the Russian fleet since it had tall ships,,, with sails.


7 posted on 03/02/2014 6:06:41 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: GeronL; KC_Lion

Ping.


8 posted on 03/02/2014 6:18:48 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: DesertRhino; Sacajaweau

I completely agree - that old Treaty is long since obsolete - but it is a record of claims which are still valid in the eyes of some nations in the Middle East - especially Turkey.

Turkey sees itself as the protector of the Tatar people of the Crimea. They, in turn, are Muslim and anti-Russian. Many of them managed to return to the homeland after decades of exile, as described in that article, and they are now a growing Crimean minority.


9 posted on 03/02/2014 6:20:43 PM PST by BlackVeil
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To: BlackVeil

In my misspent youth there was a period when some Arabs were working hard to persuade me to Islam. Several times during these sessions when we were all very drunk (yeah, I know) they would opine that somehow Spain still belonged to them.


10 posted on 03/02/2014 6:32:53 PM PST by Psalm 144 (1. Sow. 2. Reap. 3. Eat the result.)
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To: 2banana

Why did The Crimea get the works?


11 posted on 03/02/2014 6:34:27 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: BlackVeil

So basically Russia will have to annex Crimea outright.


12 posted on 03/02/2014 6:35:30 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: BlackVeil
Stalin’s campaign of forced ethnic cleansing and the relocation of the Crimean Turks is still well-remembered.

tell that to the Armenians

13 posted on 03/02/2014 6:45:51 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Screw the farmers. I can get everything I need at the grocery store.)
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To: NonValueAdded; BlackVeil

Parasitic Turks have no say in anything.


14 posted on 03/02/2014 6:51:24 PM PST by eleni121 ("All Along the Watchtower" Book of Isaiah, Chapter 21, verses 5-9)
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To: NonValueAdded

Or the Greeks who colonized the whole Black Sea area well before all of them except the Turks and the Russians deported or murdered them during the Soviet era as well as Catherine the Great another monster.
The large Russian population was relocated by the Soviet era .
All this crap that its Russian is pure propaganda

Crimea people voted back in 2000 to stay part of the Ukraine but semi autonomous. .


15 posted on 03/02/2014 7:02:54 PM PST by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: 2banana

I think Putin should march Russian troops into Turkey and reinstate orthodox Christianty.


16 posted on 03/02/2014 7:08:16 PM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: WashingtonSource

He’d be a hero if he did that.


17 posted on 03/02/2014 7:11:41 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: 2banana

Based on the treaty:

Article XIV-Grants permission to the High Court of Russia to build a public church “of the Greek ritual” in Istanbul.[3] The church will always be under the protection of the ministers of the Russian Empire.


18 posted on 03/02/2014 7:15:55 PM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: dfwgator

He’d also cause the automatic invoking of the NATO Treaty (Turkey is a long standing member) meaning the probable start of WWIII. And the Turkish military, even if they had to fight on their own, are no light weights. Unless Russia were to go nuclear they could probably hand Putin’s Russian military, which had its hands full dealing with the Chechens, their heads on a platter.


19 posted on 03/02/2014 7:27:44 PM PST by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: katana

As far as Western Ukraine goes, the Poles are sending a message to Putin there as well. These aren’t the Poles of 39, they’ve been in Iraq and Afghanistan, and will go toe-to-toe with them if it comes down to it (pray it doesn’t).


20 posted on 03/02/2014 7:29:12 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: 2banana
When do the turks give back Constantinople?.

Soon.

21 posted on 03/02/2014 7:34:57 PM PST by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: dfwgator

This year has the aroma of a vintage 1938. Russia under what is basically a national socialist regime headed by a trained KGB apparatchik, and Obama reeks of weakness and incompetence. Based on the face of America the media displays one would think we’ve become a nation of mincing drag queens. Unfortunately, that is exactly the type the American people, in their very finite wisdom, have handed the reins of state power to.


22 posted on 03/02/2014 7:53:04 PM PST by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: eleni121

Turkey has a big say in Syria - to an astonishing degree.

Imagine, that a NATO member is allowed to assemble an army of insurgents on its border, and arm them to attack a neighboring sovereign state.

And who gets international sanctions in this case? The Syrians who are under attack.


23 posted on 03/02/2014 8:01:19 PM PST by BlackVeil ('The past is never dead. It's not even past.' William Faulkner)
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To: BlackVeil
The Ukraine is soooo screwed.

Turkey and Europe will ignore Russia taking everything east of the Dnieper as long as Russia is willing to discuss the future of the Crimea in order to keep Turkey from moving even further away from Europe and towards the coming Caliphate.

And, Russia will discuss the matter. For at least a decade.

24 posted on 03/02/2014 8:19:54 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: BlackVeil

Sounds like a problem that the British, French and Turks have faced before! 1853-1856.

Send in the Light Brigade!


25 posted on 03/02/2014 8:25:20 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: BlackVeil

Thought I had remembered reading that America supported Russia during the Crimean War ?

Found this

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/125706?uid=3739560&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21103637473193

What fickle friends we have become (sic)


26 posted on 03/02/2014 8:29:05 PM PST by jcon40
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To: BlackVeil

The treaty doesn’t state what the article is claiming


27 posted on 03/02/2014 9:33:19 PM PST by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: BlackVeil

Turkey tries to talk about Turkic brotherhood (Turkic nations include Uighuristan/Xinjiang/East Turkestan, Kirghizia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Turkey and Azerbaijan), but is powerless against the Chinese atrocities in Xinjiang, far less in Russia. The Turks have other things to worry about


28 posted on 03/02/2014 9:35:54 PM PST by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

The english and french were b***ards to fight against russia in the crimean war — they fought on the side of Moslems against their Christian fellow-men.


29 posted on 03/02/2014 9:40:02 PM PST by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos

They haven’t changed.


30 posted on 03/02/2014 10:13:11 PM PST by BlackVeil ('The past is never dead. It's not even past.' William Faulkner)
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To: WashingtonSource

Putin should at very least pressure Turkey to give back Hagia Sofia to the Orthodox Church.
The gears are in place to add Criemea to Mother Russia. All that is needed is a vote and up goes the white, Blue and Red. Then they will need a land link to Russia-—Little we can do—Russia got bigger, Ukraine smaller. All done with no lives lost (for now).


31 posted on 03/02/2014 11:28:00 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: ncalburt

The Tatars are Greek descended, amongst a half dozen pre=14th century ethnic groups that melded into the Tatar identity in the Crimea.


32 posted on 03/03/2014 12:25:10 AM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: Cronos

It is interesting the Crimean War started over a fist fight between Orthodox and Catholic monks in Bethlehem over who should install a new star on the spot Jesus was born on.
The Turks had to send in troops to break it up.

From what I’ve read, the Orthodox sent a plea to Mother Russia for help, the Catholics sent a plea to France. Britain got involved because she wanted to keep Russia contained in it’s area.

What a mess!


33 posted on 03/03/2014 6:12:04 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Brits French and Turks were wrong then and they would be immoral again now.


34 posted on 03/03/2014 8:59:07 AM PST by eleni121 ("All Along the Watchtower" Book of Isaiah, Chapter 21, verses 5-9)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Exactly. as a Catholic to me, that is appalling. The English were cynical in their “great game” play


35 posted on 03/03/2014 8:51:31 PM PST by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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