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Ukrainian radical ultranationalists [video from BBC News]
BBC News Ukraine ^ | 01/Mar/2014 | BBC News Ukraine

Posted on 03/03/2014 1:48:28 AM PST by vertolet888

Last month's revolution in Ukraine saw thousands of students, workers and families take to the streets to demand political reform.

But amongst the crowds of ordinary citizens were a small number of far-right groups, who were often responsible for the most organised and violent protests.

(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: russia; ukraine
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To: ncalburt

JTA A RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA FRONT?? SURELY YOU JOKE

“Ultranationalist Ukrainian political party leaders banned from U.S.”

http://www.jta.org/2013/06/27/news-opinion/world/ultranationalist-ukrainian-political-party-leaders-banned-from-u-s#.UxQtGbGx0FM.twitter


21 posted on 03/03/2014 5:29:39 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

More BS from crazies.

Now the Nazi smear !

Ukraine’s rose up against a Putin puppet and thug who jailed his political opponents in the last election!

This Nazi crap is pure crazy talk and a smear job by KGB media operatives.

Why don’t you invite that sweet former KGB Putin over for a nice talk.
You could about his former job as a KGB agent in East Germany where
he oversaw torturing defectors and shot families trying to escape to the west.

Nice company you keep.
The misinformed fools on this website is amazing.


22 posted on 03/03/2014 5:33:09 AM PST by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: RummyChick

one of hundred of political parties in a huge country which is a melting pot of east asia.

How many extreme political,parties does the US or England or France !

But you scream Nazis everywhere.
Useful idiot of Putin.

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23 posted on 03/03/2014 5:35:27 AM PST by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: ncalburt

So the JTA is a Russian Propaganda front?? Are you for real?

And you really think the World Jewish Congress..who has denounced Svoboda MANY TIMES...is a Front for Putin?


24 posted on 03/03/2014 5:37:23 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: ncalburt

I can’t take you seriously when you say that the World Jewish Congress is a propaganda front for Putin


25 posted on 03/03/2014 5:38:06 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: cunning_fish
It is very strange to see Pole who loves Ukrainian nationalist.

Poland's political class (Tusk,Sikhorski,et al) have generally been quite feckless throughout this crisis

26 posted on 03/03/2014 5:38:34 AM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: ncalburt

Even though I don’t want to see Russian troops pouring into Ukraine, the nationalist side was/is corrupt and inept as hell. Russia is right when they say they have interest to look after. I still can’t figure out why Ukraine is so set on joining the EU? That organization is a globalist piece of crap. When your economy is a leftover from the “good old USSR days” the EU isn’t going to be a magic pill. One thing is that Putin is going to make Obama look like more of a weak doofuss than he already is. Maybe President Zero will just take another vacation and go golfing.


27 posted on 03/03/2014 5:46:40 AM PST by brooklyn dave
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To: McGruff

the bright red region to the west (near Polish border)is also the Ukrainian Catholic region—with big ties to the Ukie diaspora. Tymoshenko has ties to Ukie community in NYC, too bad she is a crook—makes Ukies look bad.


28 posted on 03/03/2014 5:51:44 AM PST by brooklyn dave
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To: RummyChick
This is the most serious crisis of the 21st century, so excuse me but If some guy likes Jews or not is not really a primary issue now. “Nazis” (in practice “far right” party like others existing across Europe and elsewhere, Le-Pen and all) were instrumental in defending peaceful protesters against government's security forces. Once things cool down, they will be booted out, can't happen at the moment.
29 posted on 03/03/2014 5:57:33 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246

Dont be so sure about that

http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/05/24/svoboda-fuels-ukraines-growing-anti-semitism/

Btw, Yulia Tymoshenko is out of jail.


30 posted on 03/03/2014 6:05:44 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

There are plenty of anti-semites in the Russian ranks. Putin’s first move was to go after the “oligarchs,” who just happened to be mainly Jewish. Then he replaced them with his own cronies.

There are pro-Russian, Putinist websites out there which are full of anti-semitism. Putin is also anti-Israeli. He is an important supporter of the Mullahs in Iraq, and of Assad in Syria. Pick an evil regime, and there you will find Russia supporting it: North Korea is another example.

If there were no Jews at all in the world, Putin would still be invading his neighbors. At root it is a Russian problem, not basically a Jewish problem.

The Jews are targets often for extreme nationalists, because they have a separate loyalty to their own traditions. Even those Jews who have abandoned their heritage, still cannot escape. Nationalism is a very powerful force, and is often dangerous to anyone who does not fit the mold exactly, and eventually it is even a threat to ordinary members of the majority group in which it takes hold. No one really prospers under blind nationalism, because it is seldom creative: it is usually socialistic.

We see this in history repeatedly. But who learns from history? Most people learn nothing from history, and they don’t even understand history when it is actually happening at the time, even to themselves!

And so we have some posters who are pro-Putin. It means that they believe the propaganda, because it backs the side they have chosen. They are like sports fans who will live and die for a team they happen to have chosen, when it really makes no sense. But unlike sports (where it really doesn’t matter who wins the Superbowl), nationalism really can cause harm, because its mob behavior extends far beyond a stadium..


31 posted on 03/03/2014 6:06:08 AM PST by docbnj
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To: RummyChick

Do some more research. You’re being played by the real Fascists, Putin and his puppets.

http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2014/mar/01/ukraine-haze-propaganda/


32 posted on 03/03/2014 6:07:00 AM PST by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: McGruff

Voting for Yanukovych does not translate into wanting to be part of Russia.
Read about what he did when in power, lots of Ukrainians have changed their mind about him.

http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2014/mar/01/ukraine-haze-propaganda/


33 posted on 03/03/2014 6:09:10 AM PST by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: RummyChick

“It is troubling that Ukraine’s respectable opposition parties are playing into Russia’s hand while adopting the Nazi-like Svoboda as a legitimate political force. Advancing the credibility of an extremist group that dredges up the worst associations with Europe’s past does not bode well for Ukraine’s future. This should have been highlighted in the State Deportment’s report.”

especially when one is named as Chief Prosecutor


34 posted on 03/03/2014 6:09:11 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: Kozak

“So they wind up switching from one oligarchical faction to another, forming broad popular coalitions that can be easily co-opted by the most politically organized minority factions within—neoliberals, neofascists, or Kremlin tools. All of whom eventually produce more of the same shitty life that leads to the next revolution.”

https://tendancecoatesy.wordpress.com/2014/02/25/ukraine-everything-you-know-may-be-wrong/


35 posted on 03/03/2014 6:10:42 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: McGruff

Support of Yanukovich does not equal support or Putin.

Even Yanukovich largest financial backer has publically renounced the Russian action on Crimea.

However, there probably is a large degree of overlap between the two.


36 posted on 03/03/2014 6:10:54 AM PST by Eurotwit
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To: Kozak
It is not Putin Propaganda that the Svoboda party are Nazis and that one has just been installed as Chief Prosecutor nor is it propaganda that the State Department wants the Neo nazis consulted with 4 times a week.

You can hear Nuland herself talk about it..unless you think Putin made up that phone call ..HINT - he did not.
37 posted on 03/03/2014 6:13:36 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: Eurotwit

Be fair, a PM in Ukraine has to walk a pretty fine line to not tick off either the Ukrainian nationalists or the Russians.

That’s why a breakup probably makes sense.


38 posted on 03/03/2014 6:14:08 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: RummyChick

Never really looked into these guys - Svoboda.

Does seem like a rather nasty bunch.

On the bright side, the do want to ban abortion and institute the right to keep and bear arms.


39 posted on 03/03/2014 6:22:10 AM PST by Eurotwit
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To: Eurotwit

The lesson from the 1917 Russian Revolution is that the most ruthless are the ones who win in times of chaos.

Certainly, despite their name, the “Bolsheviks” were but a minority of those who opposed the Czar....and they didn’t immediately gain power after the Czar’s abdication, but they ultimately won.


40 posted on 03/03/2014 6:24:31 AM PST by dfwgator
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