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Investment & Finance Thread 2014 New Year(Mar. 3 - nexttime edition)
Daily investment & finance thread ^ | Mar. 3, 2014 | Freeper Investors

Posted on 03/03/2014 2:15:00 AM PST by expat_panama

Investment & Finance Thread 2014 New Year(Mar. 3 - nexttime edition)

 

This is the thread where folks swap ideas on savings and investment --here's a list of popular investing links that freepers have posted here

Open invitation continues always for input on ideas for the thread, this being a joint effort works well.  

Keywords: financial, WallStreet, stockmarket.

 

 

 

fwiw, these are the returns on $1,000 since 2010 for various investments:

Incidentally, the plan is to include here a ----so let me know if anyone wants on or off this ping.  Be advised that it gets posted only when I'm not feeling lazy and remember that we now know from studies that sloth is completely genetic and lazy people are the way they are because they were born that way. 

Bottom line is I can be as lazy as I want and society is required to grant me all the privileges that industrious people claim.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: economy; fedbubble; financial; investing; putin; russia; stockmarket; ukraine; wallstreet
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1 posted on 03/03/2014 2:15:01 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: abb; Abigail Adams; abigail2; Aliska; Aquamarine; B.O. Plenty; BenLurkin; bert; BipolarBob; ...

Whoa --this morning's futures are like what they were talking about on this related thread --sharp downward (presumably) on Ukraine --or central banks.  Some folks call this situation a great short market, others think of it like a 'buying opportunity', imho this looks like the kind of excessive volatility that I try to avoid.

Ruble Weakens as Sanctions Risk Outweighs Surprise Rate Increase

Why investors shouldn't fret yuan volatility

Euro-zone PMI slowed less sharply than estimated

Let's see...

2 posted on 03/03/2014 2:24:56 AM PST by expat_panama (Arguing with those who have renounced reason is like giving medicine to the dead. --Thomas Paine)
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To: expat_panama

The Ukraine crisis is already over, IMO, and Putin played chess while the Obama/Kerry crowd was playing checkers. In the financial world, it will amount to very little, IMO.


3 posted on 03/03/2014 2:50:11 AM PST by abb
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To: expat_panama
a 'buying opportunity

I buying opportunity to purchase stocks that are artificially pumped up with fictitious Federal reserve decimal points moved on computer screens? The market is 53% overvalued based on 10 year averages, and even that does not describe how precarious it really is (factor in debt, a worldwide Depression that we are fooling ourselves about, weak manufacturing, the looming retirement of millions of Baby Boomers, soaring health care costs, and on and on).

4 posted on 03/03/2014 3:05:52 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: expat_panama; thackney

Related

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303874504579376962979450296?mod=WSJ_Energy_2_4_Right&mg=reno64-wsj

Shale-Oil Boom Spurs Refining Binge
Higher U.S. Crude Production Has Valero, Marathon Increasing Capacity

By Ben Lefebvre
March 2, 2014 7:19 p.m. ET

U.S. refiners haven’t built a major new fuel-processing plant since 1976, in part because of environmental regulations. But a flood of oil from Texas, Oklahoma and North Dakota has companies rushing to expand existing plants and build small new processors around the country.

Valero Energy Corp. , Marathon Petroleum Corp. and other refiners are engineering ways to expand fuel-making capacity at their aging plants without the cost of building entirely new refineries to take advantage of the increase in light sweet crude flowing from U.S. wells.

The gasoline, diesel and other fuels they are producing can either be burned in the U.S. or sold around the world because they aren’t subject to the export ban Congress imposed on crude in the early 1970s.

American refiners are set to add at least 400,000 barrels of oil-refining capacity a day to existing plants between now and 2018, according to information compiled by The Wall Street Journal and the consulting firm IHS. That is the fuel-making equivalent of constructing a new, large-scale refinery.

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5 posted on 03/03/2014 3:09:59 AM PST by abb
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To: expat_panama

You forgot to put the “Slavery” directional street sign on the post, man.


6 posted on 03/03/2014 3:42:26 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: expat_panama

Also, we need this link, “Why Investors should believe what they are told so they will trade in such a way as to make a profit for the poster of the link.”


7 posted on 03/03/2014 3:43:31 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: expat_panama

Dow futures at -145 now.


8 posted on 03/03/2014 3:48:40 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: expat_panama

I wish I could remember who it was that stated the economy was going to take a HUGE hit on March 4...


9 posted on 03/03/2014 3:52:14 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: expat_panama

Dow futures -150.


10 posted on 03/03/2014 3:52:38 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: who knows what evil?
I wish I could remember who it was that stated the economy was going to take a HUGE hit on March 4...

Putin?

11 posted on 03/03/2014 3:54:14 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: abb
Ukraine crisis is already over, IMO

mho too.  As far as I can tell that chapter was closed with the Nov. '12 elections when American voted for a limp-wristed foreign policy.  For us I'm thinking that we may be looking at mindless over-reacting on the part of traders.

12 posted on 03/03/2014 3:55:39 AM PST by expat_panama (Arguing with those who have renounced reason is like giving medicine to the dead. --Thomas Paine)
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To: expat_panama

Dow futures -160.


13 posted on 03/03/2014 3:57:00 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
To be honest; I really can't be sure...I saw/heard that date mentioned several months ago, and I filed it away in the 'conspiracy' portion of my brain. A poster mentioned March 4 earlier in this thread, so I'm not the only one aware of it.

When nothing happens (as usual), we'll all have a good laugh and 'move on'.

14 posted on 03/03/2014 3:58:19 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: who knows what evil?

Oops...March 4 was mentioned on another thread.


15 posted on 03/03/2014 4:00:00 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: expat_panama

Ok, finally a little relief. Dow futures -153. Whew. We’re going to survive. ROFL.


16 posted on 03/03/2014 4:00:08 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: expat_panama

Okay, now the Dow futures -147. I can get ready for work and actually go there instead of driving into a tree so my wife can collect my life insurance. :D


17 posted on 03/03/2014 4:01:41 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: SkyPilot
...The market is 53% overvalued based on 10 year averages...

Wait, is that 53% and not 52% or 54%?  Seriously, here's 120 of stock prices--

--and there're lots of folks that see good reason to believe we're over due for continued growth.  My thinking is that for the long term I'm very confident that America will continue to prosper, and for the short term life holds many surprises...

18 posted on 03/03/2014 4:05:38 AM PST by expat_panama (Arguing with those who have renounced reason is like giving medicine to the dead. --Thomas Paine)
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To: who knows what evil?
...who it was that stated the economy was going to take a HUGE hit on March 4...

lol --if you want a prediction that's guaranteed it's the fact that today we'll be hearing from tons of pundits saying that they they knew it all along and warned us way back when that today was crash day.

19 posted on 03/03/2014 4:14:22 AM PST by expat_panama (Arguing with those who have renounced reason is like giving medicine to the dead. --Thomas Paine)
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To: expat_panama

I don’t believe that. I’m retreating into my steel-reinforced concrete bunker and live like a hermit until the world as we know it comes to an end, or I die. Whichever comes first.

All you people who remain active and engaged and choose to participate in Life, and make the best of the situation...

YOU ARE ALL FOOLS!!

/sarc


20 posted on 03/03/2014 4:18:15 AM PST by abb
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To: abb

lol!

What I like to do on a day like today is check out the pre-opening bid/ask prices on my holdings to guesstimate the current values. That way I got time to think out strategies when I’m not in a hurry.


21 posted on 03/03/2014 4:37:48 AM PST by expat_panama (Arguing with those who have renounced reason is like giving medicine to the dead. --Thomas Paine)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Dow futures at -145 now.

Dow futures -150.

Dang, and here I spent all that time this weekend on such a terrific 'buy-list'.

22 posted on 03/03/2014 4:39:39 AM PST by expat_panama (Arguing with those who have renounced reason is like giving medicine to the dead. --Thomas Paine)
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To: who knows what evil?

Probably Zero Hedge along with Jan, Apr11, Mar16, etc, etc, etc. Pick a date, they pretty much got them all covered.


23 posted on 03/03/2014 4:39:41 AM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (This is not just stupid, we're talking Democrat stupid here.)
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To: abb
American refiners are set to add at least 400,000 barrels of oil-refining capacity a day to existing plants between now and 2018

100k bpd per year sounds at or below the average expansion for the last decade or so.

24 posted on 03/03/2014 4:53:41 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: expat_panama

That’s exactly my thinking too, expat. The long-term trend is so obviously steadily upward, one would be a fool not to be riding it up. Backup plans for short-term reversals are necessary, of course.

TC


25 posted on 03/03/2014 5:25:51 AM PST by Pentagon Leatherneck
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To: Pentagon Leatherneck

The immediate shock reaction to this geo-political crisis is panic. Be prepared for a flight capital tsunami into the US “safe harbor” markets. Bear-Market madness is collective. Consequential recoveries are cummulative.


26 posted on 03/03/2014 5:49:15 AM PST by Tugo (Bozo of the Day)
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To: expat_panama

You’re probably right, at least I hope so. But, we have to survive 980 more days of Obama, and I have my doubts. I really do.


27 posted on 03/03/2014 6:17:29 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: expat_panama

Good to see you. Been churning and burning since you’ve been gone. Now maybe I can make some money...


28 posted on 03/03/2014 7:29:16 AM PST by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: expat_panama
Still sitting on the sidelines. We all have our "big fishes" that got away. I thought that correction wasn't enough and haven't learned how/when to short.

Here's what I come away with today. I've been looking at Vanguard on Scottrade but want to steer clear of S&P 500 index because of Soros. Emerging markets wouldn't be good now. Last night Bob Brinker practically yelled at a caller, Vanguard whole stock market. That made sense so I look it up. Well Scottrade doesn't have it any ore (I don't think) nor the Wellington fund. So forget that.

I watched Walgreens go from about 45 to where it was today, 68 something, down a little.

jc Penney's and Blackberry in play again. I don't want to risk JCP but BBRY I will keep my eye on it, made some on it then got burned.

Just about everything else looks overvalued. I don't want to spend all my time on stocks but will look into energy stocks. Also, I got more in divideds last year than I got in interest on more than 3X the money on my credit union account.

Dividends require you to be owner of record on a certain day. Then you can sell. Regardless, I see the overall advantage of dividends, hopefully with a good performer along with it.

I've been out for awhile and think I've kind of lost the feel of it.

29 posted on 03/03/2014 2:07:54 PM PST by Aliska
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30 posted on 03/03/2014 2:10:13 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Aliska
Check out Kinder Morgan or AMLP. Kinder Morgan is a pipeline so they have tax implications and AMLP may because of that be a better fit.
31 posted on 03/03/2014 4:44:23 PM PST by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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Thank you. I'll put them in energy watchlist tomorrow and look at some charts for them. Someone here who is no longer around recommended Holly Energy if it went down to 45. It did but I don't like to blindly follow advice. It's had its ups and downs but could have made me some money if I'd played it right.

I can't remember the stock code for Holly and don't want to log in to look it up.

One company I was in paid terrific dividends. It is a fertilizer company, RNF (not sure that's the right code) Renfro Nitrogen Fertilizer, probably is. When I was in, it was at 30 something. Then it started tanking. The dividend still paid but not 11%. Anyway, I got out of that at a loss. Told myself I'd buy back in if it got to 17. Probably did, I don't watch all the time. Today it was 18 something.

I'm always looking for promising IPO's, too. Made pretty good on 2, SCTY, XONE, and a reit I got out of fast at a small profit. Too many jumped on the first two and I don't play them any more for various reasons.

32 posted on 03/03/2014 5:18:02 PM PST by Aliska
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To: expat_panama

Please put me on the ping list!


33 posted on 03/03/2014 5:45:11 PM PST by Bookwoman ("...and I am unanimous in this...")
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To: abb; Abigail Adams; abigail2; Aliska; Aquamarine; B.O. Plenty; BenLurkin; bert; BipolarBob; ...

--and a very good morning to all!  Upbeat stock futures this AM support what SAJ was saying on another thread "Let this Ukraina flap blow over", at least as far as stock futures are concerned.  Here are the headlines from MyConfirmationBias.com:

World shares, Russian assets bounce back after heavy Ukraine hit

Ukraine Fears Are Temporary Thing - Brian Wesbury/Bob Stein, First Trust


34 posted on 03/04/2014 2:27:32 AM PST by expat_panama (Arguing with those who have renounced reason is like giving medicine to the dead. --Thomas Paine)
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To: expat_panama

ping


35 posted on 03/04/2014 2:29:28 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: MichaelCorleone
churning and burning since you’ve been gone. Now maybe I can make some money...

It's the group (imho), for me the chatter from others doing similar work seems to make thinking easier.   There are a lot of investing chat/groups but this one also has a lot of other common interest advantages.

36 posted on 03/04/2014 4:00:50 AM PST by expat_panama (Arguing with those who have renounced reason is like giving medicine to the dead. --Thomas Paine)
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To: expat_panama

Looks like it will be roaring back this morning.


37 posted on 03/04/2014 5:02:57 AM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (This is not just stupid, we're talking Democrat stupid here.)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

yeah; futures still not quite as upbeat today as they were down yesterday but my personal approach atm is checking out possible new buy candidates...


38 posted on 03/04/2014 5:06:53 AM PST by expat_panama (Arguing with those who have renounced reason is like giving medicine to the dead. --Thomas Paine)
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To: expat_panama

Thanks for the 3rd link. Interesting data/timetable.


39 posted on 03/04/2014 5:37:05 AM PST by PGalt
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To: expat_panama
ES this morning:


40 posted on 03/04/2014 5:47:34 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Wyatt's Torch

if I’m reading today’s numbers right it’s looking like we’re getting new long term highs this AM.


41 posted on 03/04/2014 6:46:45 AM PST by expat_panama (Arguing with those who have renounced reason is like giving medicine to the dead. --Thomas Paine)
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To: PGalt
Thanks for the 3rd link. Interesting data/timetable.

Huh, I hadn't really read it seriously until you pointed it out.  What got me was the part "...in the broad scheme of things, the invasion had little
influence on the market..."
  Reminds me of how the market tanked right before GHBush sent troops to Kuwait and soared right after.  I made out super on that one.

42 posted on 03/04/2014 6:54:55 AM PST by expat_panama (Arguing with those who have renounced reason is like giving medicine to the dead. --Thomas Paine)
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To: expat_panama

Yep. New record high.


43 posted on 03/04/2014 7:16:11 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: expat_panama
Interesting global happenings. Too bad western Europe is so energy dependent on Russia and green to boot. It's never good when one knowingly allows the boot to the throat. (Pun intended.)

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-warns-could-reduce-zero-economic-dependency-us-083926261.html;_ylt=AwrSyCVd_hVT7BUA4C3QtDMD

44 posted on 03/04/2014 9:56:53 AM PST by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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V. Putin has said if sanctions are enacted then retaliation in the markets will be the result. I don’t know if Odumbo is likely to attempt any sanctions but with the market soaring this afternoon I sold half my holdings and bought some TZA as a hedge in case the Grand Caliph does something stupid.


45 posted on 03/04/2014 3:11:49 PM PST by BipolarBob
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Great news, nothings going to happen today with stocks because this morning's futures are flat!  For me that's a welcome improvement over yesterday's strong rebound from Monday's fierce sell-off, donno about you young people but I'm getting too old for that nonsense.  Seriously, the thing is that less volatility is typically bullish.  Headlines:

European Stocks Fluctuate as Wheat Drops Before Talks on Crimea  
US and Russia set for talks on Ukraine tension  

46 posted on 03/05/2014 4:36:14 AM PST by expat_panama (Arguing with those who have renounced reason is like giving medicine to the dead. --Thomas Paine)
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To: expat_panama; abb; blam; M. Espinola; TigerLikesRooster; Chunga85
Putin is playing chess and Obama is playing blind-fold checkers. King Zero is playing golf and groping himself in thje dark WHILE everything is about to turn to **** !:

Multiple Videos By Economist John Williams Say A Big Crash is On the Way (Putin is About to Get His Revenge) !

47 posted on 03/05/2014 6:40:35 AM PST by ex-Texan (The Time to "Wake Up" is Over !)
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To: ex-Texan

Interesting. 100 years ago Russia was considered ‘the sick man of Europe’ and when they mobilized troops for westward armed expansion they got into a mess that replaced the entire Russian government.

—at huge cost to the rest of the world too...


48 posted on 03/05/2014 7:18:53 AM PST by expat_panama (Arguing with those who have renounced reason is like giving medicine to the dead. --Thomas Paine)
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To: expat_panama

A nice day shaping up here with futures markets in general upbeat and stock indexes even better.

Stocks rise on Ukraine diplomacy, ECB easing speculation

Don't Bet Against This Stock Market - Lawrence McMillan, MarketWatch

The Insider-Trading Hysteria - Charles Gasparino, National Review


49 posted on 03/06/2014 1:41:43 AM PST by expat_panama (Arguing with those who have renounced reason is like giving medicine to the dead. --Thomas Paine)
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To: expat_panama

One of my buddies in our morning coffee group has been catching hell from me for the past year. He’s been predicting a spectacular market crash for over a year, and of course has been wrong. I tell him, in front of all the rest, that his bogus advice has cost me untold thousands in losses.

I say that he’s a perfect “contrary indicator.”

It’s all in fun of course, as he is retired, financially secure, and a local county commissioner who’s personal fiscal habits also translate to his votes on the commission.

But he never had the nerve to invest in equities, because they’re “too risky.” What he accumulated, he earned from pure thrift, interest on CD’s, and purchases of land. The land has some gas production on it, and timber harvests, so there is an income stream from it.

I’ve really enjoyed gigging him the past year about it all.

One day, when the market does correct, he’ll finally trumpet “I told you so!!”


50 posted on 03/06/2014 1:50:46 AM PST by abb
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