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Ukraine: Russia Delivers 'Assault Storm' Deadline
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Posted on 03/03/2014 7:32:11 AM PST by Sub-Driver

Ukraine: Russia Delivers 'Assault Storm' Deadline

3:23pm UK, Monday 03 March 2014

Russia's fleet has given Ukrainian forces in Crimea until 3am to surrender or face a military assault, according to Interfax.

The ultimatum, from the commander of Russia's Black Sea Fleet Alexander Vitko, has a base in Crimea where Russian forces are now in control.

According to the agency, it reads: "If they do not surrender before 5am (3am GMT) tomorrow, a real assault will be started against units and divisions of the armed forces across Crimea."

It comes as Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev discussed the situation in Ukraine with US Vice President Joe Biden by telephone on Monday.

Mr Medvedev "declared that it is necessary to protect the interests of all Ukrainian citizens, including residents of Crimea, and citizens of Russia who are located in Ukraine......

(Excerpt) Read more at news.sky.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: brzezinski; crimea; eu; soros; ukraine; ukrainecrisis
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1 posted on 03/03/2014 7:32:11 AM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

Ukraine: Russia Delivers ‘Assault Storm’ Deadline


I believe the Germans used the word “Blitzkrieg” for lightning war.

So, it’s late August of 1939 and the the Ukraine is the new Poland.

Apparently...


2 posted on 03/03/2014 7:34:59 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: Sub-Driver

Hello crude oil prices!


3 posted on 03/03/2014 7:35:04 AM PST by 2harddrive
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To: Sub-Driver

It would be very foolish for the Russians to start shooting. The population of the Crimea supports them and time is on their side. The West is powerless to intervene despite the paranoid fantasies of Russian military commanders.


4 posted on 03/03/2014 7:35:38 AM PST by allendale
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To: Sub-Driver
It comes as Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev discussed the situation in Ukraine with US Vice President Joe Biden by telephone on Monday.

From high oil prices to fund the Russian military, to regulations to cripple our economy, to crushing military readiness, Democrats have never failed to prop up America's enemies.

5 posted on 03/03/2014 7:36:43 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Islam offers us three choices: Defeat them utterly, die, or surrender to a life of slavery.)
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To: Sub-Driver; hoosiermama; caww; crosslink; SevenofNine; dfwgator; kristinn
BBC:

15:15:BREAKING NEWS Russia's Black Sea Fleet has given Ukrainian forces in Crimea until 5:00 local time (03:00 GMT) on Tuesday to surrender or face an all-out assault, according to Ukrainian defence ministry sources quoted by Interfax-Ukraine news agency. "If by 5am tomorrow morning they do not surrender a real assault will begin on units and sections of the Ukrainian armed forces all over Crimea," defence ministry officials are quoted as saying. So far there is no further confirmation of the ultimatum from other sources.

Twitter:

Russian ship (R) issuing ultimatum to Ukrainian ship (L) to defect or else they will take action. #Sevastopol pic.twitter.com/I6QqwxaMT9

6 posted on 03/03/2014 7:38:16 AM PST by maggief
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To: allendale

Perhaps the Crimea is just a pretext for something more?


7 posted on 03/03/2014 7:38:30 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Carry_Okie

Remember that Teddy Kennedy asked for Soviet help to defeat Ronald Regan.


8 posted on 03/03/2014 7:41:00 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Sub-Driver

“It comes as Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev discussed the situation in Ukraine with US Vice President Joe Biden by telephone on Monday. “

Oh... to have been a fly on the wall.


9 posted on 03/03/2014 7:41:00 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (I just messed up my tagline. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: maggief

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/03/ukraine-crisis-russia-control-crimea-live#block-5314a031e4b093d4729c3109

2m ago
A source in the Ukrainian defence ministry has told the Guardian’s, Shaun Walker, in Crimea, that he has heard nothing about an ultimatum that has reportedly been posed to Ukrainian forces in the region to surrender before 3am GMT or face an assault. Shaun writes:

He is not that senior but says he’s on a base right now and neither he nor the base commanders have heard anything of the sort. He said: “It’s probably another red herring to stir up trouble.”


10 posted on 03/03/2014 7:42:21 AM PST by maggief
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To: Carry_Okie

“It comes as Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev discussed the situation in Ukraine with US Vice President Joe Biden by telephone on Monday”

Did anyone tell Biden whom he was talking to on the phone??

Did Medvidev say to Biden, tell Barack we have discussed what he proposed through me to Vlady some time ago, and Vlady says OK, I got your message??

Did the Russian Foreign Minister mention why he was talking to Biden rather than our Secretary of State, you know, our diplomat??

Did Biden say, this is another of the S..t jobs I get.

Inquiring minds would like to know.


11 posted on 03/03/2014 7:42:22 AM PST by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: maggief

Thanks Maggie


12 posted on 03/03/2014 7:43:31 AM PST by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: allendale

Agreed. Russia has Crimea. The Ukrainian forces there pose no threat.


13 posted on 03/03/2014 7:43:36 AM PST by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: Sub-Driver
It comes as Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev discussed the situation in Ukraine with US Vice President Joe Biden by telephone on Monday.

I bet that went well........................

14 posted on 03/03/2014 7:44:28 AM PST by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: maggief

Guardian:

Shaun Walker corrects: I take that back, it was Ukrainian Interfax not Russian. So let’s not dismiss it fully yet. But I remain v sceptical http://interfax.com.ua/news/general/194107.html

Shaun Walker@shaunwalker7

Also, it seems to be coming from Russian interfax, quoting Ukrainian Interior Ministry. That should ring some alarm bells, folks.
9:38 AM - 3 Mar 2014


15 posted on 03/03/2014 7:44:41 AM PST by maggief
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To: Sub-Driver

The absolute stupidity of man on full display. The military buildups of the early 20th century, triggered by Archduke Ferdinand’s assassination, led to “The War To End All Wars”. It didn’t.

Not content with one folly, Germany and Japan and Italy violated the Versailles Treaty with impunity and the Western World cowered before madmen. This time we’d get it right because of all the terrible new weapons. We didn’t.

The traitors in government turned to unwinnable wars - Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan - to bleed us dry and reduce our military strength.

So now we come to defend Ukraine and Israel. And we will make the same mistakes. And there will much bloodshed.

Until the next time.


16 posted on 03/03/2014 7:47:02 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: Sub-Driver

It’s a good thing the Russians have a fresh coat of paint on their ships ,otherwise they would fall apart


17 posted on 03/03/2014 7:47:40 AM PST by molson209 (Hillary Clinton)
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To: maggief

... Continued:
The ministry did not immediately confirm the report and there was no immediate comment by the Black Sea Fleet, which has a base in Crimea, where Russian forces are in control. “If they do not surrender before 5 a.m. tomorrow, a real assault will be started against units and divisions of the armed forces across Crimea,” the agency quoted the ministry source as saying.
/u/uptodatepronto
just now Al Jazeera now carrying the following quotes on the Interfax ‘ultimatum story’:
Russia’s Black Sea Fleet has told Ukrainian forces in Crimea to surrender by 0300 GMT on Tuesday or face a military assault, Interfax news agency quoted a source in the Ukrainian Defence Ministry as saying. The ultimatum, Interfax said, was issued by Alexander Vitko, the fleet’s commander...


18 posted on 03/03/2014 7:47:56 AM PST by maggief
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To: Sub-Driver

This is a big effing deal!


19 posted on 03/03/2014 7:49:27 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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20 posted on 03/03/2014 7:49:46 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Sub-Driver

No worries. John Kerry is on his way over there, and as we all know, he’s a highly-decorated military genius.


21 posted on 03/03/2014 7:50:32 AM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Carry_Okie

Send in the clowns.


22 posted on 03/03/2014 7:51:21 AM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: allendale
It would be very foolish for the Russians to start shooting. The population of the Crimea supports them and time is on their side. The West is powerless to intervene despite the paranoid fantasies of Russian military commanders.

Putin knows his own country's politics. Time may be on the side of the Crimea, but Putin won't hesitate to do what he has to, NO MATTER WHAT. HE believes that what he is doing NOW is in the best interests of Russia.

I don't believe that we, here in the West, get the whole story from our media. To me, they are spineless scum who sell their souls to be near Hollywood. So who HERE really knows the whole story? NO ONE.

Oops, do I sound HARSH here?

23 posted on 03/03/2014 7:51:48 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: cuban leaf

or Russian-speaking and ethnic Crimean Russians are in the new “Sudetenland”


24 posted on 03/03/2014 7:52:02 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: maggief
Remain skeptical of Putin; he's a bullying punk.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/surrender-or-face-storm-russia-reportedly-tells-ukraine-n43086

25 posted on 03/03/2014 7:52:18 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Free Ukraine. Free Venezuela. Free Syria. Free Iran. Free USA.)
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To: maggief

Guardian:

US vice president Joe Biden and Russian prime minister Dmitry Medvedev have spoken by phone, Interfax reports.

Medvedev spoke about a need “to protect” Russians in Ukraine, Reuters quotes Medvedev spokeswoman Natalya Timakova as saying:

Medvedev “declared that it is necessary to protect the interests of all Ukrainian citizens, including residents of Crimea, and citizens of Russia who are located in Ukraine.”


26 posted on 03/03/2014 7:52:40 AM PST by maggief
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To: Army Air Corps

“Perhaps the Crimea is just a pretext for something more?”

Good question. And I wonder if that ‘something more’ is ultimately Israel or Syria.


27 posted on 03/03/2014 7:52:40 AM PST by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
Agreed. Russia has Crimea. The Ukrainian forces there pose no threat.

We will go to the UN, it will be years, nothing will happen besides some threat of sanctions. This is manufactured drama by a bored press looking for any world event to allow The Magic Negro to show he has any gonads. We should not get involved here, one Slavic communist state squabbling over land with another Slavic communist state. Some here are such lemmings, they see a protest in some town square in Kiev and think we should automatically start rattling our sabre. I know, I know Poland 1939..blah, blah. So you send your kids over into Russia(see... Napoleon and Hitler's Army Group Center and South about that) to fight for Ukrainian sovereignty. Oh I thought so...

28 posted on 03/03/2014 7:54:16 AM PST by pburgh01
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To: silverleaf

I believe Hitler called the Ukraine “Wohnraum”: Living space


29 posted on 03/03/2014 7:56:09 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: cuban leaf

Actually, I’d say it’s more like 1938 Czechoslovakia:

Kind of ironic when you think about it...

Putin used the SAME excuse as Hitler in 1938: Supposedly, “Ethnic Germans” in Czech Sudetenland were being “threatened” by the Czechs, so he had to send in the troops to “protect” them.

And England sent Neville Chamberlain to get his “Peace of Paper” signed.

Which, of course, TOTALLY prevented World War II... /s


30 posted on 03/03/2014 7:59:37 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Sub-Driver
2014 UKRAINE CRISIS: PART I - MAIDAN PROTEST - PART II - RUSSIA TAKES CRIMEA

31 posted on 03/03/2014 7:59:50 AM PST by Jeff Head
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To: cuban leaf

That would be “Lebensraum.”


32 posted on 03/03/2014 8:00:47 AM PST by sauropod (Fat Bottomed Girl: "What difference, at this point, does it make?")
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To: cuban leaf
More like the Anschluss into Austria. Blitzkrieg came later, to the West.
33 posted on 03/03/2014 8:00:53 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Sub-Driver

Please help me sort this out

What does George Soros want as the outcome?
He has been trying to buy the Ukraine for over 20 years
So now, what is Soros’ preferred outcome here?
Russian occupation of an autonomous Crimean republic? Russian control over a nominally separate Ukrainian state?
A divided Ukraine all of which owes its existence to dancing to Putins music?
Another nasty guerrilla war against Russian occupation run by our CIA (hello 1970’s “Cold War” proxies foreign policy, you’re back but with a less competent administration than Carter)

I tend to think what Soros wants will drive obama’s “policy”


34 posted on 03/03/2014 8:01:23 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: UCANSEE2
Oh... to have been a fly on the wall.

Fortunately for you, I have the complete transcript of the conversation. Here it is.

Mr. Medvedev: Mr. Vice President, Russia has taken this action to protect the interests of all Ukrainian citizens, including residents of Crimea, and citizens of Russia who are located in Ukraine.

Mr. Biden: Uruguay has the right to be free.

Mr. Medvedev: What? I didn't get that...I thought that we discussing the Ukraine.

Mr. Biden: Russia must immediately withdraw from Crimoatia.

Mr. Medvedev: Huh? Did you just say Croatia?

Mr. Biden: We have drawn solid red lines around Crimoatia.

Mr. Medvedev: *click * (hangs up)

35 posted on 03/03/2014 8:01:52 AM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: silverleaf
or Russian-speaking and ethnic Crimean Russians are in the new “Sudetenland”

So what send a strongly worded letter to Putin? go to the UN? or what some chicken hawks want on FR, threaten Putin with military action? You ready to start a World War over the Crimea? History including the US is about territorial expansion, borders change, some changes are precipitated by force. See Mexican American War..damn similar to this. Not saying Putin is not a total tool, but we are in no shape to act all puffed up about ourselves when it comes to our military capabilities. Not everything is Hitler and 1939. Some of the same talk I am sure we heard in 1953-1964 when it relates to Vietnam...I don't buy the media lies and zealots on both sides. they love to send other parent's kids over to fight in wars for paranoid fantasies.

36 posted on 03/03/2014 8:01:53 AM PST by pburgh01
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To: Sub-Driver

Russia could have played this a lot cooler and still got Crimea.


37 posted on 03/03/2014 8:02:31 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Poland first though.


38 posted on 03/03/2014 8:02:38 AM PST by Eurotwit
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To: Sub-Driver

Now we know how Russia felt when we were promising shock and awe to one of their pets.


39 posted on 03/03/2014 8:03:29 AM PST by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: sauropod

I believe “lebensraum” extended all the way to Moscow


40 posted on 03/03/2014 8:03:39 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Sub-Driver

15:58:

The press office for the Ukraine defence ministry in Crimea confirms to the BBC that an ultimatum from Russia’s Black Sea Fleet has been delivered. The Russian naval forces are said to have given Ukraine’s forces in the region until 05:00 local time (03:00 GMT) to surrender or else face an all-out assault.


41 posted on 03/03/2014 8:04:33 AM PST by UKrepublican
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To: NTHockey

“The absolute stupidity of man on full display”

Your references in history could include America’s support of Russia against Western Europe in the Crimea in the 1850’s

You’re my friend, now you’re not my friend.

Time allows friends to be enemies then enemies to be friends and so on


42 posted on 03/03/2014 8:05:22 AM PST by jcon40
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To: pburgh01

It is unfortunate when political debate and discussion descend into logical fallacies such as false dilemma and become personal attacks

There are many more options to respond to Putin than “do nothing” or “go to war”

Some posters here may have good ideas
I look forward to reading and discussing with them

Have a good day


43 posted on 03/03/2014 8:08:33 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: jcon40

The US supported Russia in the Crimea war?

You did have better foreign policy under previous administrations :P


44 posted on 03/03/2014 8:09:03 AM PST by Eurotwit
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To: sauropod

Habitat, living space. But I think you are right that that is the word he used.


45 posted on 03/03/2014 8:11:35 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: UKrepublican

The Russians are setting up an escalation. Not shooting but something like cutting off water and power to the Ukrainian bases.


46 posted on 03/03/2014 8:11:59 AM PST by lodi90
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To: UCANSEE2

Its about “flexibility”...


47 posted on 03/03/2014 8:12:22 AM PST by epluribus_2 (he had the best mom - ever.)
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To: pburgh01

“History including the US is about territorial expansion, borders change, some changes are precipitated by force. See Mexican American War..”

This does not compare with the Mexican - American war. The Ukrainian Army has not assaulted a Russian outpost or base. The Mexican-American war was started by a Mexican Army attack on a US outpost. They lost and agreed to giving up territory to settle it. Otherwise Mexico would be a bunch of US states as the US Army occupied most of north and central Mexico at the time. That is the “territorial expansion” that occurred in the Mexican - American war.

And Happy Texas Independence day.


48 posted on 03/03/2014 8:12:51 AM PST by Justa
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To: demshateGod

THAT is an interesting idea

Although Pootie as most Russian nationalists is neither smooth nor subtle, he is a master at the geopolitical game and came away from Syria having spanked Obama AND looked like a hero

Why now? Why this way? Who pushed Putin across his red line (or is this just the first step across a wider red line that has yet to be crossed)

Was it by calculation or miscalculation?
Are ripples from the Benghazi bungle still spreading?


49 posted on 03/03/2014 8:15:23 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Sub-Driver

Obama is in the steam bath with Reggie by now.


50 posted on 03/03/2014 8:15:33 AM PST by SkyPilot
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