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Ukraine crisis: Angry Angela Merkel questions whether Putin is 'in touch with reality'
Telegraph ^ | 1:42PM GMT 03 Mar 2014 | Tony Paterson, Berlin

Posted on 03/03/2014 9:51:21 AM PST by DaveMSmith

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To: justa-hairyape
"You have to anticipate every possible move in diplomatic chess."

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Obama, Jarrett, Kerry....do they even have the ability to really take the diplomatic route? I sense they fly by the seats of their pants.

I really don't know what "flying by the seat of one's pants" means (!) but I'm trying to say that they don't anticipate (diplomatic chess) and when push comes to shove they haven't a clue.

Wonder what's the origin of "push comes to shove"?!

101 posted on 03/05/2014 9:14:30 AM PST by hummingbird (Mark Levin and Article 5. Period.)
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To: Dallas59
*snicker*

Wonder what her "tell" means!

102 posted on 03/05/2014 9:16:58 AM PST by hummingbird (Mark Levin and Article 5. Period.)
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To: DaveMSmith
Germany’s Chancellor Angela Merkel is reported to have become “really annoyed” about Russian President Vladimir Putin and has questioned whether he “was still in touch with reality.”

The same can be said for American voters and Obama. America isn't called "Obama-land" overseas for nothing. The rest of the world thinks we've lost our bloody minds.

103 posted on 03/05/2014 9:21:19 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: PGalt; Dallas59
LOL! Thanks for the pics. Wuzzzat some EU gang gestures?

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*snicker*

104 posted on 03/05/2014 9:27:05 AM PST by hummingbird (Mark Levin and Article 5. Period.)
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To: Starboard
Putin’s reality is his control over substantial flows of oil and gas, especially to Germany.

Yeah, and what is Putin going to do with all that oil and gas? Sell it to someone else, freeing up supplies elsewhere? Stop producing, throwing a big chunk of his population out of work and stopping cash flow to his oligarch buddies? The best he can do is cause a price spike just as the winter heating season is winding down. Putin's problem is that he essentially has a colonial economy based on extracting natural resources and selling them abroad. He needs foreign markets as much, if not more, than they need him.

105 posted on 03/05/2014 9:31:17 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: chasio649; Zathras
Germany is worried. This is bad.

You are correct....Don’t ask how i know.

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*snicker*

(But, what DO you know, and generally speaking, how DO you know it?)

Sorry, for asking; just call me "Whiskers" because I'm as curious as a cat and don't want to be the last to know stuff!

106 posted on 03/05/2014 9:33:58 AM PST by hummingbird (Mark Levin and Article 5. Period.)
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To: Mi-kha-el; demshateGod
"In fact, he should care. The Russian economy will suffer because of it. Russian GDP had dropped 30% already. The Ruble is going down. Today, the Russian markets lost >10% of value. The Russian economy cannot withstand occupation, sanctions and feeding hungry Crimeans and East Ukrainians (Russian-speaking population)."

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But, aren't war economies good economies.

Maybe that could be Putin's secondary reason for overtaking Crimea.

1. Annex Crimea

2. Stimulate faltering economy with a "war economy" mentality that might just come in handy should other countries decide to intervene with Crimea and other Putin actions.

107 posted on 03/05/2014 9:41:01 AM PST by hummingbird (Mark Levin and Article 5. Period.)
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To: potlatch
Thank heaven for open mikes.

If only we could get a lot more open mikes.

This "transparent" presidency isn't working out.

Wonder what Obama and Medved were fully saying and meaning. Maybe Crimea - maybe Crimea and other stuff.

The Obama/Medved full conversation would probably floor us (at the very least).

108 posted on 03/05/2014 9:51:13 AM PST by hummingbird (Mark Levin and Article 5. Period.)
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To: DaveMSmith

-— Both were said to be in favour of sending an immediate fact finding mission to Ukraine -—

What we really need to do is to send a blue ribbon commission on a fact-finding mission to find its butt with both hands.


109 posted on 03/05/2014 9:56:00 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: DaveMSmith

“Oh no! Not a fact-finding mission! Anything but that!”


110 posted on 03/05/2014 10:39:55 AM PST by Inwoodian
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To: Marguerite; DaveMSmith
“The paper said it had gained inside information on the telephone exchange”

How?

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Eyes and ears everywhere you go...probably got inside info with the German version of NSA.

111 posted on 03/05/2014 10:56:28 AM PST by hummingbird (Mark Levin and Article 5. Period.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2; DaveMSmith
Well Angie are you annoyed enough to agree to vote Pootey out of the G8? Since without Germany it can’t happen.

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Every time I see the name "Angie" I think of Angelina Jolie.

Where is the outrage in Hollywood that Crimea has been overtaken.

Where are the congressional hearings with Ben Affleck, Jolie, Sean Penn, Beyonce, JayZ, and of course, Dennis Rodman, etc?

112 posted on 03/05/2014 11:25:19 AM PST by hummingbird (Mark Levin and Article 5. Period.)
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To: hummingbird

“Where are the congressional hearings with Ben Affleck, Jolie, Sean Penn, Beyonce, JayZ, and of course, Dennis Rodman, etc? “

They are sitll trying to recover from post Oscar party hangovers. :-)


113 posted on 03/05/2014 11:33:17 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: DaveMSmith

114 posted on 03/05/2014 11:34:46 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: hummingbird

“Eyes and ears everywhere you go.”

A leaked phone call between the EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton and Estonian foreign minister Urmas Paet has revealed that the two discussed that the blame of the killing of civilian protesters in the Ukrainian capital, Kiev, is on the radical militiamen rather than the government police forces.

http://youtu.be/ZEgJ0oo3OA8

The Estonian foreign ministry confirmed the leaked conversation was accurate.
“So there is a stronger and stronger understanding that behind snipers it was not Yanukovych, it was somebody from the new coalition,” Urman Paet says...

Where we herd that before?

“Milosevici killed 100,000 Albanian Kosovars” (no bodies were found)
“Saddam Hussein has Weapons of Mass Destruction” (no WMD were found)
“Assad used chemical weapons on his own people “ and now

“Yanukovich sent snipers to kill peaceful demonstrators”

When will they stop fooling us?


115 posted on 03/05/2014 12:26:39 PM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Marguerite
Thanks for the info, Marguerite!

I'll be the first to say I don't know Jack about Crimea but it looks like its time to learn.

116 posted on 03/05/2014 1:18:41 PM PST by hummingbird (Mark Levin and Article 5. Period.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
"They are sitll trying to recover from post Oscar party hangovers. :-)"

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*snicker*

117 posted on 03/05/2014 1:40:24 PM PST by hummingbird (Mark Levin and Article 5. Period.)
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To: hummingbird

You’re welcome :)


118 posted on 03/05/2014 1:49:01 PM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

I wouldn’t be dismissive of Russia’s energy advantage or underestimate Putin’s resolve to effectively re-constitute the old Soviet Union. Its a very complex geopolitical situation for sure, with a lot of moving parts, but EU is dependent on Russia for a lot of its energy. Putin could inflict a lot of pain on the continent and many of the EU countries are already in an economically weakened state.


119 posted on 03/05/2014 1:50:48 PM PST by Starboard
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To: All

“A leaked phone call between the EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton and Estonian foreign minister Urmas Paet has revealed that the two discussed that the blame of the killing of civilian protesters in the Ukrainian capital, Kiev, is on the radical militiamen rather than the government police forces.”

http://youtu.be/eXp-SiMXbnU

Olga Bogomolets, who gave the information to the Estonian minister, is a public figure and a respectable doctor, who has actually taken part in the Maidan movement from the onset and was tending to the wounded victims herself, along with other doctors. You can google her. She certainly cannot be suspected of being a Yanukovich sympathizer. She saw the wounded and the dead herself, and also showed photos to the Estonian minister, who, being not too crazy about Russia himself, wouldn’t go broadcasting the news if he believed it was just a rumour made of thin air.


120 posted on 03/05/2014 1:53:47 PM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Marguerite
Thanks again for the info.

For a good online source of Crimea and maps around the world, I don't think you can beat The University of Texas' "Perry-Castañeda Library Map Collection"

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/

The leading maps on the first page:

Online Maps of Current Interest

Crimea Map (Ukraine-Travels)

Crimea - Russia Moves In (Daily Mail)

Ukraine Maps (PCL Map Collection)

Ukraine in Maps (New York Times)

Ukraine Crisis in Maps (BBC News)

Ukraine - A Divided Ukraine (CNN)

Ukraine - Post-Soviet Faultlines (Guardian)

Central African Republic Maps (PCL Map Collection)

India's Proposed New State - Telangana (Rediff)

Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands (BBC News)

Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands (Political Geography Now)

Syria Maps (PCL Map Collection)

Syria: Mapping the Conflict (BBC News)

U.S. Drought Map (U.S. Drought Monitor)

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I always talk up The University of Texas' "Perry-Castañeda Library Map Collection" because 1) I graduated from The University of Texas at Austin ("The University"), 2) I still bleed burnt orange and 3) it is an awesome map collection!

Check it out!

121 posted on 03/05/2014 1:57:39 PM PST by hummingbird (Mark Levin and Article 5. Period.)
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To: DaveMSmith

While Angela Merkel said at the weekend that Putin was not in touch with reality, many Russians would disagree. The latest Levada poll conducted from 21-25 February found that most Russians regard the new government in Kiev negatively: 43% called the political upheaval in Ukraine a “violent coup” and 23% called it a civil war.

Moreover, 45% blamed western influence for bringing people on to the streets of Kiev, where the “Euromaidan” protests that were originally in favour of further European integration later turned into a general condemnation of the corrupt regime.

56% of Russians considered Crimea, which Russia seized from the Tatars in the 18th century, to be a part of Russia. The Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev gave the territory to Ukraine in 1954, but ethnic Russians still make up 59% of Crimea’s population of 2 million, while 12% are Tatars, according to 2001 census data.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/03/russian-opinion-split-crimea-ukraine-most-back-putin?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487


122 posted on 03/05/2014 2:00:27 PM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Marguerite
"“Eyes and ears everywhere you go.”

A leaked phone call between the EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton and Estonian foreign minister Urmas Paet has revealed that the two discussed that the blame of the killing of civilian protesters in the Ukrainian capital, Kiev, is on the radical militiamen rather than the government police forces.

Do you think that Snowden (sic?) is helping Putin out?

123 posted on 03/05/2014 2:03:35 PM PST by hummingbird (Mark Levin and Article 5. Period.)
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To: hummingbird

See my post

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3129987/posts?page=23#23


124 posted on 03/05/2014 2:03:57 PM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: hummingbird

I have no idea.
No one knows what Snowden is doing there, but one thing is certain, if he came back home, he would be in jail.


125 posted on 03/05/2014 2:07:13 PM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: hummingbird

Latest news:

Edward Snowden to speak at South by Southwest Festival from Russia, to discuss the impact of the National Security Agency’s spying efforts on the technology community and ways technology can fight mass surveillance.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/edward-snowden-speak-sxsw-russia-article-1.1710629


126 posted on 03/05/2014 2:11:34 PM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: NFHale; gunner
"Sorry.... meant “hummingbird”, not “gunner” in my last post.

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"Its all good", NFHale....We are all Spartacus...I mean, we are all FReepers!

127 posted on 03/05/2014 2:18:03 PM PST by hummingbird (Mark Levin and Article 5. Period.)
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To: Marguerite
Thanks - you've been very helpful, Marguerite, and I appreciate the map you posted.

The more info the better, but we sure have to wade through the weeds what with historical considerations being in the mix, IMHO.

hummingbird

128 posted on 03/05/2014 2:24:40 PM PST by hummingbird (Mark Levin and Article 5. Period.)
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To: hummingbird

Russia is unlikely to pull back its military forces in Ukraine’s Crimean peninsula, analysts and former Obama administration officials say, forcing the United States and Europe into a more limited strategy of trying to prevent President Vladimir Putin from making advances elsewhere in the former Soviet republic.

It’s an unsettling scenario for President Barack Obama, who is under pressure to show he has leverage over Putin in a deepening conflict between East and West. The threat of economic sanctions, along with a series of modest measures that include canceling trade talks with Moscow and suspending plans to attend an international summit in Russia, have so far done little to persuade the Russian leader to pull his forces back from Crimea.

“I’m not optimistic they’re going to leave,” said Michael McFaul

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/analysts-russian-pull-back-crimea-22778882

Sit back and relax, guys. Russia has got back Crimea, without firing a shot.


129 posted on 03/05/2014 2:41:48 PM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Capt. Tom

Yeah, problem is that Ukraine is a sovereign nation and it is up to them if they wish to have their own revolution and change their government, not Russia’s.


130 posted on 03/05/2014 2:46:17 PM PST by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: Marguerite

What are the numbers next to the titles? TIA!


131 posted on 03/05/2014 3:03:42 PM PST by hummingbird (Mark Levin and Article 5. Period.)
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To: Marguerite
"South by Southwest Festival from Russia"

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Only South X Southwest Festival I've ever heard of is a film festival in Austin, Texas!

Russia has a SXS Festival, too?

132 posted on 03/05/2014 3:08:25 PM PST by hummingbird (Mark Levin and Article 5. Period.)
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To: Marguerite
You know, it would be very helpful if I read the article before posting!

Sorry....a contrite hummingbird going to read article now.

133 posted on 03/05/2014 3:10:19 PM PST by hummingbird (Mark Levin and Article 5. Period.)
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To: fabian
Yeah, problem is that Ukraine is a sovereign nation and it is up to them if they wish to have their own revolution and change their government, not Russia’s.

Putin might catch a big break here:
SIMFEROPOL, Ukraine (Reuters) - Crimea's parliament voted to join Russia on Thursday and its Moscow-backed government set a referendum within 10 days on the decision in a dramatic escalation of the crisis over the Ukrainian Black Sea peninsula.

134 posted on 03/06/2014 6:16:12 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse U.S. citizens and Americans. They are not necessarily the same. -tom)
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To: Capt. Tom

Not really...everyone can see that that vote is under coercion of military domination...obviously.


135 posted on 03/06/2014 7:22:19 AM PST by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: Marguerite
"It’s an unsettling scenario for President Barack Obama, who is under pressure to show he has leverage over Putin in a deepening conflict between East and West. The threat of economic sanctions, along with a series of modest measures that include canceling trade talks with Moscow and suspending plans to attend an international summit in Russia, have so far done little to persuade the Russian leader to pull his forces back from Crimea."

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Back for more information re: Crimea

TIA, Marguerite! I appreciate your posts.

136 posted on 03/06/2014 10:21:45 AM PST by hummingbird (Mark Levin and Article 5. Period.)
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To: Marguerite
"Sit back and relax, guys. Russia has got back Crimea, without firing a shot."

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Can Obama really afford to agitate Russia - they have the International Space Station. US is dependent on Russia for space exploration and presence in space programs.

Putin could just say to US "persona non grata" on ISS and US would be booted.

That would be a real black eye for Obama and US.

"Sit back and relax, guys. Russia has got back Crimea, without firing a shot."

Obama has managed to achieve his goals without firing a shot, too.

137 posted on 03/06/2014 10:29:09 AM PST by hummingbird (Mark Levin and Article 5. Period.)
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To: Marguerite

“It’s an unsettling scenario for President Barack Obama, who is under pressure to show he has leverage over Putin in a deepening conflict between East and West. The threat of economic sanctions, along with a series of modest measures that include canceling trade talks with Moscow and suspending plans to attend an international summit in Russia, have so far done little to persuade the Russian leader to pull his forces back from Crimea.”

Bill Clinton: “A few years ago, this guy(Obama)would be getting us coffee”


138 posted on 03/06/2014 10:32:23 AM PST by Mashood
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To: fabian; Marguerite; All
"Yeah, problem is that Ukraine is a sovereign nation..."

----------------------------------> My understanding is that Crimea is an autonomous region, a little bit Russian and a little bit Ukrainian.

Not an expert here - far from it. Maybe we can get clarity from other Freepers.

139 posted on 03/06/2014 10:37:47 AM PST by hummingbird (Mark Levin and Article 5. Period.)
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To: hummingbird

[The Obama/Medved full conversation would probably floor us (at the very least). ]

I wish we knew too. Did you notice when Obama put his hand on Medved’s arm? I put a little red arrow there as it was another indication of his ‘secretiveness’.
Thanks for the reply about the graphic, hummingbird.


140 posted on 03/06/2014 12:14:08 PM PST by potlatch ("Dream as if you'll live forever...Live as if you'll die today")
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To: hummingbird

Doesn’t matter..Putin still invaded it and now the cowardly trooper leaders will not disclose themselves as Russian.


141 posted on 03/06/2014 12:21:43 PM PST by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: Capt. Tom
"...Moscow-backed government set a referendum within 10 days on the decision in a dramatic escalation of the crisis over the Ukrainian Black Sea peninsula."

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Seems like Crimea is not on a "dramatic escalation of the crisis."

Maybe Obama and Merkel are the ones escalation a crisis where their really isn't one as they speak it.

Obama and Merkel are huffing and puffing maybe for show of strength when in fact their is none and it shows their impenitence in foreign affair "reality".

Just sayin'.............

142 posted on 03/06/2014 12:49:30 PM PST by hummingbird (Mark Levin and Article 5. Period.)
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To: potlatch
" I put a little red arrow there as it was another indication of his ‘secretiveness’."

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Which photo, I've missed it, I think.

I want to get that book by Dr. Lillian Glass

(http://www.drlillianglass.com/) just to classify Obama's body language.

We all know about his subservient bowing to Japanese leader and Saudi leader. That was a total 'tail between his legs' embarrassment.

143 posted on 03/06/2014 1:08:27 PM PST by hummingbird (Mark Levin and Article 5. Period.)
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To: fabian; All
"Doesn’t matter..Putin still invaded it and now the cowardly trooper leaders will not disclose themselves as Russian."

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Thanks for reply.

I thought Russians in Crimea were kind of like US in South Korea - that there was a certain number of Russians already there and that Putin was increasing presence by adding 6,000 more troops.

I think there is an agreement that Russia can have a set amount of military in Crimea - that and no more and, at this point, Putin has not gone over.

Any Freepers know about military treaty between Crimea and Russia?

I read it SOMEWHERE or I DREAMED it. So, I'm not really reliable!

144 posted on 03/06/2014 1:16:00 PM PST by hummingbird (Mark Levin and Article 5. Period.)
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To: hummingbird

“My understanding is that Crimea is an autonomous region, a little bit Russian and a little bit Ukrainian.”

60% of Crimea population are ethnic Russians, and speak Russian.
Other 28% are russophones.
12% of the population are Tartars (muslims).

98% of the population speak Russian.
At the last parliment elections, the Block Russia got 83% of votes, and it got 78 seats out of 81.


145 posted on 03/06/2014 2:16:27 PM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: hummingbird
[Which photo, I've missed it, I think.]

Red arrow is in the one you first replied to;

#35

Here is a slideshow of the Obama bows you spoke of. Obama actually gives Putin a small bow in it;


146 posted on 03/06/2014 2:16:44 PM PST by potlatch ("Dream as if you'll live forever...Live as if you'll die today")
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