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Ukraine crisis: Angry Angela Merkel questions whether Putin is 'in touch with reality'
Telegraph ^ | 1:42PM GMT 03 Mar 2014 | Tony Paterson, Berlin

Posted on 03/03/2014 9:51:21 AM PST by DaveMSmith

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Ukraine crisis: Angry Angela Merkel questions whether Putin is 'in touch with reality'

She and Putin will issue a joint communique within a week.

51 posted on 03/03/2014 11:28:59 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: DaveMSmith

“living in another world.”

Would that be the world where he slaps the sh- out of Obama and tells him to be silent while men are talking?


52 posted on 03/03/2014 11:34:19 AM PST by servo1969
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To: DaveMSmith

The only question regarding what is in Putin’s mind is whether he wants to reconstitute the Russian Empire or the Soviet Union. I believe he is sane. He is not acting paranoid like Stalin. Nobody has claimed he is conducting purges. Putin is simply a narcissistic authoritarian.


53 posted on 03/03/2014 11:38:03 AM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: Repeal 16-17

He wants a strong Russia....and frankly a weak Russia might even be worse, because they’d lose control over their Muslim population.


54 posted on 03/03/2014 11:39:34 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: DaveMSmith

Coming from one of the Hags of make believe.


55 posted on 03/03/2014 11:46:05 AM PST by jetson
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Less than $1k to go!!

56 posted on 03/03/2014 11:46:33 AM PST by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: DaveMSmith

Not that this is really funny...haha...funny, but what the hell did the rest of the world think would happen if any enemy of America ever had the inkling we were a weakling?

GAH....stupid, stupid, people. You can’t have a power vacuum! Idiots.


57 posted on 03/03/2014 11:53:09 AM PST by EBH ( The Day of the Patriot has arrived.)
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To: Marguerite

As I understand it, the Autonomous Republic of Crimea is an autonomous parliamentary republic within Ukraine and is governed by the Constitution of Crimea in accordance with the laws of Ukraine.


58 posted on 03/03/2014 12:02:41 PM PST by floralamiss
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To: floralamiss

Crimean presidential election:

— Bloc “Russia” - 72.92%

- Ukrainian president representative - 6.22%


59 posted on 03/03/2014 12:13:32 PM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: potlatch

To #35

Open TREASON and nothing is done about it...Never talked about openly in Congress, nothing...I truly do miss a leader who loved his country.....


60 posted on 03/03/2014 12:29:29 PM PST by selfdefense
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To: dfwgator

There are many reasons a strong Russia is good for America - economic and regarding the Muslim issue as you point out.

The logical solution for the current events would be to allow people in Crimea to hold their own election and vote on autonomy. I believe this is where Putin is going and while he is tipping the odds in his favor the claim by Russia was established long ago by the populace.

Crimea would have voted to join Russia at any point in recent history and a good argument can be made supporting the benefit for it’s population. If we claim to support self-determination how can we refuse Crimea the right to secede from an already fractured nation?

All the hype being driven in the media has ignored the fact that the Russians may have had more soldiers there before the crisis than the Ukrainians did and they were not really an “occupying power”.

I am starting to believe the world, and even America, would be a safer and more sane place if more fracturing occurred to better reflect reality. How many nations are made up of two or three distinct groups in distinct regions under one government? I think America would be far better off if we made some more states to better reflect reality instead of allowing city-states to dominate entire regions. Why should condo-dwellers in downtown Denver be able to control all the family farms and water in Colorado?

Food for thought....


61 posted on 03/03/2014 12:47:33 PM PST by volunbeer
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To: DaveMSmith

Angela better watch her tongue. Vladimir might turn off her natural gas or oil


62 posted on 03/03/2014 12:48:59 PM PST by tillacum
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To: floralamiss

Almost like the “Free State of Danzig” between the two World Wars.


63 posted on 03/03/2014 12:50:47 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: selfdefense

[I truly do miss a leader who loved his country.....]

So do we all FRiend.


64 posted on 03/03/2014 12:59:56 PM PST by potlatch ("Dream as if you'll live forever...Live as if you'll die today")
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To: Marguerite

...within Ukraine and in accordance with the laws of Ukraine


65 posted on 03/03/2014 1:00:35 PM PST by floralamiss
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To: dfwgator

Indeed.


66 posted on 03/03/2014 1:14:36 PM PST by floralamiss
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To: Mi-kha-el
And you believe that Putin hasn't calculated all of those factors already?
That he's a silly fool dancing on the world stage?
That puts you in the ranks of those standing on the sidelines and bitching.

"Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.
-Thucydides,

67 posted on 03/03/2014 3:05:06 PM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: DaveMSmith

She’s talking to Obama about Putin not being in touch with reality? That’s really calling black, pot.


68 posted on 03/03/2014 3:24:20 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: aegiscg47

Charlie Gasparino said on Cavuto’s show that sanctions will drop the DOW by 3,000. He also advised to get cash out of the big banks.


69 posted on 03/03/2014 3:26:51 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: bill1952

That puts me in the ranks of those who don’t want two brotherly Slavic nations to shed each others’ blood in a fratricidal war for madmen’s ambitions. The Russian people don’t want that war any more than the Ukeanians. I guess they are all just bitching.


70 posted on 03/03/2014 3:54:42 PM PST by Mi-kha-el ((There is no Pravda in Izvestiya and no Izvestiya in Pravda.))
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To: DaveMSmith

Everyone knows that Obama doesn’t scare Putin, so we’re hoping that tough talk from Merkel might.


71 posted on 03/03/2014 3:57:27 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: DaveMSmith

=> “...is reported to have become...”

=> “...from American sources.”

I guess we are suppose to the German’s are distressed by these events, based on American sources who are undoubtedly friendly to Obama.

How about another perspective. The EU is failing and the petrodollar is failing faster under Obama. Germany can buy every therm of natural gas they need from Russia and all the train loads of minerals they need neatly delivered from Russia...turn both around handily for a trade surplus selling products in Russia. Mercedes, BMW, Siemens industrial/telecom products, etc., etc.

If the Germans weren’t already moving closer to Russia we wouldn’t need “American sources” to leak their distain.


72 posted on 03/03/2014 4:42:33 PM PST by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: chasio649

How do you know? (couldn’t resist)

But that aside, why is it bad? Germany is powerless militarily. And financially they make a move against Russia to cause them pain, Putin walks outside and turns off the gas spigot for a few weeks. Or maybe increases his gas price 30% overnight.

Eventually EU could overcome it, but it’d be a VERY painful shock for several months.

Its actually kind of quaint. Its like the world has forgotten the Saudi Oil embargo.


73 posted on 03/03/2014 7:44:56 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

“Angie are you annoyed enough to agree to vote Pootey out of the G8?”

Well you see,,, Germany gets rather chilly. Especially if the gas turns off and you have just moved to shut down all your nuke power plants.


74 posted on 03/03/2014 7:50:02 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DaveMSmith

Putin is more in touch with reality than Merkel is.

Putin is behaving as a rational actor - using the resources at his control to protect his nation’s military and economic interests. He, unlike many leftists in the west, is very sanely making decisions based on incentive and disincentive.

What is more, the Ukraine does not have the ability to defend its sovereignty. It is a militarily and economically weak neighbor, and the only possible way the Ukraine could be kept free is with military intervention by the EU or US - both of whom are not particularly interested in going to war over the issue.

Russia is in a position to show the rest of the former soviet republics and Warsaw Pact countries who is really in charge. This ensures a steady flow of money from GAZPROM’s exports, a steady accumulation of political capital from the economic and energy dependence created by said exports, and a preservation of Russia’s military force projection capabilities, all while demonstrating vividly on the world stage that no one is going to come to your rescue if Putin comes knocking on your door. All in all, quite a beneficial arrangement for the Russians.

I’m sure Mr. Putin will allow panty-waist Euroweenies like Merkel to continue to cry and moan about the lack of homosexual tolerance in Russia, while Russia demonstrates skillful buggering of neighboring nations well into the foreseeable future.


75 posted on 03/03/2014 7:52:23 PM PST by jameslalor
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To: DesertRhino

Yep. Germany will never vote Putey off the G8. We need their vote to do it.


76 posted on 03/03/2014 7:52:23 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: blueunicorn6

Pad Americana lasted for almost 20 years. It’s the end of our “Golden Age”.


77 posted on 03/03/2014 8:00:22 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: Georgia Girl 2

We won’t either, and shouldn’t. After 9/11 they gave us free use of former Red Air force bases to supply our forces in Afghanistan. NO treaty, no rent, just handed us the keys.

After Pakistan shut off our supply routes, guess where much of the slack was taken up? The routes thru Russia were utilized more.

They could show us the door anytime as unwelcome ingrates. Russian has been spoken in Crimea and has had some deep relationship with Moscow since 1789. This is much ado about little.


78 posted on 03/03/2014 8:15:57 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DaveMSmith

Has WW3 begun? Thanks, Obama.


79 posted on 03/03/2014 11:52:50 PM PST by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is)
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To: DaveMSmith
Vlad, you bad boy!


80 posted on 03/04/2014 6:51:38 AM PST by Grampa Dave ( Obozo Care is a Trinity of Lies! Obozo Care is probably a serious Black Swan event.)
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To: DaveMSmith

http://blogs.barrons.com/focusonfunds/2014/03/04/ukraine-trouble-not-today-so-mr-market-bounces-back/tab/print/

March 4, 2014, 9:23 A.M. ET
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Ukraine Trouble? Not Today, So Mr. Market Bounces Back
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By Brendan Conway

Chalk it up to Vladimir Putin’s calm and probably mendacious press conference, or the lack of overt hostilities in Ukraine. Assets with a reputation for risk are rising again Tuesday while reputedly “safe” ones are on the decline, readying to reverse some or all of Monday’s “risk off” trading.

Trackers of the U.S. stock market like SPDR S&P 500 ETF (SPY) look ready for gains of 1% or higher, while Treasury-bond prices are headed lower. SPDR Gold Trust (GLD) is set to follow gold prices lower by more than 1%.

Monday’s sharpest decliners spent premarket trading readying for a rebound: Market Vectors Russia ETF (RSX) and iShares Russia MSCI Capped ETF (ERUS) gained 3.8% and 5.1%, ahead of the open.

From the Lindsay Group’s Peter Boockvar:

Repeating what I said yesterday that most geopolitical events are usually fleeting in its market impact, mattering just one day is pretty impressive and this Friday’s 4pm close will be most influenced by the US payroll number than anything else.

Guggenheim’s Chris Krueger lays out one reason financial markets don’t care — they’ve judged the odds of Western military involvement as slim to none:

[O]ther than relatively cosmetic reactions (possible exception of an economic aid package), we do not foresee significant American responses in the near term to the Crimean occupation. For now, the U.S. and NATO have tamped down any expectations of armed intervention. The situation on the ground and the regional geography favor Russia, and there are no military advantages for the West.

Fast traders’ bets on market volatility are slumping, with Barclays iPath S&P 500 VIX Short-Term Futures ETN (VXX), ProShares Ultra VIX Short- Term Futures exchange-traded fund (UVXY) and VelocityShares Daily 2x VIX Short Term ETN (TVIX) looking ready for drops of 5%-10% or more.


81 posted on 03/04/2014 7:37:25 AM PST by Grampa Dave ( Obozo Care is a Trinity of Lies! Obozo Care is probably a serious Black Swan event.)
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To: jameslalor
Your closing statement is a incredible reality based one.

I’m sure Mr. Putin will allow panty-waist Euroweenies like Merkel to continue to cry and moan about the lack of homosexual tolerance in Russia, while Russia demonstrates skillful buggering of neighboring nations well into the foreseeable future.

82 posted on 03/04/2014 7:41:57 AM PST by Grampa Dave ( Obozo Care is a Trinity of Lies! Obozo Care is probably a serious Black Swan event.)
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To: DesertRhino

Putin was always going to make this move. He’s not going to allow anything to endanger his naval port on the Black Sea. The population of the Crimea is mostly ethnically Russian, speak Russian and want to stay with Russia. I have no problem with it. As for the rest of the Ukraine they are Ukrainian and they mostly speak Ukrainian. They are Catholics in leaue with Rome and they hate the Russians.

So Putin will end up with the Crimea or at least nominal control over Crimea and the rest of Ukrainia will align with the EU.

Too bad we have a commie stooge in the Whitehouse becuase this would be a great time to put the missile defense sheild in Poland and Chechoslovakia. I don’t worry that much about Russia but I do worry about Iran.


83 posted on 03/04/2014 7:54:25 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

It’s like Hitler taking back the Rhineland, back then who really could have argued against it?

But of course, Hitler didn’t stop there.


84 posted on 03/04/2014 7:55:18 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: DaveMSmith

Annoyed to the point of chewing on the carpet? (and for those so inclined - it’s an historical reference and not a sexual one)


85 posted on 03/04/2014 7:56:43 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: dfwgator

Well people in the US especially have this grand distorted view of what Russia is like. Russia is basically a third world country.

If you get 50 miles outside Moscow its horses and ox carts. Half the roads are impassable in the rainy season. They have no infrastructure and a modest economy. Russia has not built a new product since 1975. Their main exports are wheat, oil and gas and some weapons. In 2012 the wheat crop failed so they didn’t export any.

Rusia cannot compete at all with our military or our economy. Most of their nukes are so antiquated the UN inspectors won’t climb in the silos. They had to enlist our people to dismantle a lot of their stuff because they were afraid of it.

There is a reason why Russia is not at war with anybody. They can’t afford it. This incursion into the Ukraine will strain their purse strings. The worst thing that will happen is that Crimea will go back to being a separate country from Ukraine like it was before WWI when they were originally cobbled together. I doubt that will even happen. In a couple of mos this will all get ironed out and we won’t even be talking about it anymore.

So don’t be worried about Putin pulling a Hitler. HItler he ain’t.


86 posted on 03/04/2014 8:23:44 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Insightful post in some ways but not in others. I’m sure your characterization of the country is spot on as far as the roads and the oxcarts go.

But on the other hand, the Germans thought and said exactly the same thing about the Russians in 1941 and for that matter Napoleon might have done the same way back when. In each case, Russia had the last laugh.


87 posted on 03/04/2014 8:26:42 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

We live in a different world from 1941. It cannot be equated. Ask yourself this question. Why hasn’t Putin already invaded the Ukraine and rolled into Kiev? Why isn’t he already standing in the square in Kiev with a shot of vodka and surveying his new territory?


88 posted on 03/04/2014 8:38:49 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Your question is a non-sequiter. Putin probably doesn’t want Kiev and even if he did he’s moving slowly and deliberately, not quickly without having his ducks in a row. Putin will keep and hold the Crimea and I’m betting a good chunk of Eastern Ukraine. And obamakerrymerkel may jump up and down and holler and scream but it’s not going to change the facts on the ground. And don’t forget the muddy roads that you’re so dismissive of, worked in Russia’s favor in WWII and during Napoleon’s invasion.


89 posted on 03/04/2014 8:49:48 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

Well you are partially correct. Putin wants the Crimea. He’s probably not willing to fight the protracted war of attrition the Ukranians will put up if it comes to that.

The other reason is the same reason Putin settled for South Ossetia and did not take all of Georgia. He wants to be a player in the West. Its the only way forward for Russia. Sarkozy flew over to Moscow and put it to him during the Georgia incident. Putin wanted to march through Georgia and hang Saakashvili. Sarkozy talked him out of it. He told Putey he would be a paraiah to the western world and be shunned. If he tries to take all of the Ukraine he will be shunned by the West. Money from Western banks which he desparately needs will dry up. etc. etc. etc.

How upset are you that Russia controls S Ossetia and Georgia is still Georgia? Just watch this will all shake out. Its just embarrassing that we have a complete fool in the Whitehouse and he doesn’t know how to play international politics.


90 posted on 03/04/2014 9:07:09 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

The way I see it - Crimea is to Russia as Pearl Harbor is to the U.S. They are no more likely to give up Crimea then we would be to give up Pearl Harbor. So that part is a done deal in my mind.

What’s more I think there will be an additional chunk of Eastern Ukraine that will fall into Russia’s tender embraces. And if the west can live with these two basic premises and money can continue to flow east and gas can continue to flow west, then the world will be the better for it.

But angrier heads may prevail and it may, in fact, turn out far worse than that.


91 posted on 03/04/2014 9:18:32 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Why hasn’t Putin already invaded the Ukraine and rolled into Kiev? Why isn’t he already standing in the square in Kiev with a shot of vodka and surveying his new territory?


Putin doesn’t have to. Half the country is pro-Moscow Russian. Putin can call out his goons in Kharkiv and Donetsk and throw Ukraine into chaos any time he wants. In fact, Putin wants a destabilized Ukraine while he solidifies his Crimean games.

Sad to say your historical review of Crimea is naive. You seem unaware of the mass deportations, ethnic cleansings and murders in the former USSR. History shows nothing good happens when Russians are on the march. Where they go, misery follows.


92 posted on 03/04/2014 9:20:09 AM PST by lodi90
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

What’s more I think there will be an additional chunk of Eastern Ukraine that will fall into Russia’s tender embraces. And if the west can live with these two basic premises and money can continue to flow east and gas can continue to flow west, then the world will be the better for it.


Who asked Russia to give up Crimean bases? You have a link? It’s a fantasy to think Putler is going to stop with the Ukraine. I am sure he’d love to be the Russian leader who took down NATO.

What happens when Putin pulls this crap with a NATO/EU country like Estonia? The bill will eventually come due for this weakness. Putin is now much more likely to start more trouble knowing the EU (Germans) and Americans won’t engage him in a serious way over eastern europe.


93 posted on 03/04/2014 9:33:41 AM PST by lodi90
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To: lodi90

Like I said to someone else. “How upset are you that S Ossetia is with Russia now and Georgia is still Georgia?

Thats how upset you will be if Crimea goes with Russia and the Ukraine is still the Ukraine.


94 posted on 03/04/2014 9:34:30 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: NFHale
Like the song says... “Meet the New Boss.... same as the Old Boss...”

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"Then I'll get on my knees and pray

We don't get fooled again"

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With Obama in office, we are likely to get fooled HARD.

So, pray HARD, that 'we don't get fooled again' HARD!

95 posted on 03/05/2014 8:30:18 AM PST by hummingbird (Mark Levin and Article 5. Period.)
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To: hummingbird

“...we are likely to get fooled HARD....”

It pretty much already happened, gunner. This jackass fooled at least half of the people twice.

And I’m beyond praying now.


96 posted on 03/05/2014 8:38:37 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: hummingbird

Sorry.... meant “hummingbird”, not “gunner” in my last post.


97 posted on 03/05/2014 8:39:37 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: DaveMSmith

Hillary was right. Putin is using the same excuse, ‘protecting ethnic Russians’, to invade and chop out the best parts of Georgia and Ukraine for himself as Hitler did.

It’s funny, because Merkel asked a question, and could probably answer it herself: “Yes, he’s living in a new, better run, petroleum bankrolled Soviet Union.”


98 posted on 03/05/2014 8:44:12 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: marron
"I’m not proposing that the US get involved in the Crimea, I don’t really think we have a dog in that fight. But we should have a military such that we could if we chose to. The Chinese are watching, and so are our Asian allies. They are all making calculations based on what Putin does and what we do about it."

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Right! Be prepared, in case someone wants "to bring it" to America.

Hang loose now re: Crimea.

But, just for an example, what if Putin decided to annex Alaska. (Remember, this is just an example - for sake of argument). What could we do? Just sit here and take it? With gutted military, what else could we do?

Obama is rendering US toothless, in gutting the military and dispiriting citizens with IRS, NSA, ObamaCare, high unemployment, etc.

And, the rest of the world sees this and calculates...where does US stand in other countries WarGames?

99 posted on 03/05/2014 8:50:20 AM PST by hummingbird (Mark Levin and Article 5. Period.)
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To: aegiscg47
"Correct. Putin knows exactly what he is doing. He also knows that the West knows how to talk and that's about it. I'm sure he's already factored in boycotts, protests, sanctions, etc., and they'll just ride out the storm. In the end nothing will be done and they'll have secured the Crimea."

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Yes. That is how professionals do it.

And, really, he is telling the rest of the world to just 'suck it.'

100 posted on 03/05/2014 9:08:43 AM PST by hummingbird (Mark Levin and Article 5. Period.)
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