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Rural Alabama town selected for national AT&T technology trial on ending landline phone service
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Posted on 03/03/2014 10:30:55 AM PST by chessplayer

The Walker County town of Carbon Hill has been selected by AT&T for a national technology trial that will help the telecommunications giant determine the best way to move all of its customers to internet-based phone services and away from traditional copper-wire landlines.

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And they are choosing a flat area to do the test. No real hills or mountains. This stinks big time. Landlines still work in power outages in case of emergencies. Cell phones don't. So if people need an ambulance during a power outage, they're screwed.
1 posted on 03/03/2014 10:30:55 AM PST by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

Government cant listen on land lines as good as they can on wireless.


2 posted on 03/03/2014 10:34:18 AM PST by bikerman (Obama! if his lips are moving he's lying.)
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To: chessplayer

/tinfoilhatON/ Don’t fall for it! It’s an NSA information gathering test! /tinfoilhatOFF/


3 posted on 03/03/2014 10:35:28 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: chessplayer

“Landlines still work in power outages in case of emergencies. Cell phones don’t.”

Not necessarily.

In large storms, if power lines go down, phone lines will go down with them, As long as your mobile phone is charges, most cell towers have back-up power and if one tower goes down, there are other towers available to handle to load.


4 posted on 03/03/2014 10:36:28 AM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: chessplayer

Given the state of telephone systems, I doubt that even landlines will work in the event of large power outages.


5 posted on 03/03/2014 10:37:12 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (Over production, one of the top 5 worries for the American Farmer every year.)
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To: chessplayer

They could have done this way back in ‘99 but telecoms got the Fed to kill it.
Now its too late and landlines are going to die like VCR’s.


6 posted on 03/03/2014 10:38:36 AM PST by Zathras
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To: chessplayer
Landlines still work in power outages in case of emergencies. Cell phones don't.

I seem to recall that it was the cell phones that were functioning and the landlines that weren't in the katrina mess.

7 posted on 03/03/2014 10:39:22 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: chessplayer

This is not necessarily wireless.

Our phone uses the fiber optic cable that runs to our home.
The downside is that if there is a power outage that lasts longer than the UPS that powers the fiber link is able to handle (about 4 hours), the phone becomes unusable.

It has only happened once due a breaker that kicked overnight, but it’s a bit disconcerting to get up in the morning and see that you have no telephone service.


8 posted on 03/03/2014 10:39:26 AM PST by Nonsense Unlimited
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9 posted on 03/03/2014 10:40:54 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: from occupied ga

Cell phones were spotty at best after katrina. The phone companies brought in COWS as soon as they could. COWS — Cell On Wheels. Portable cell towers.


10 posted on 03/03/2014 10:41:08 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

Voice was rather spotty after katrina, but for the most part texting worked well.


11 posted on 03/03/2014 10:43:29 AM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: chessplayer

We don’t have a cell where we live so we need to have a landline. In fact, our cordless phone won’t work when there’s a power outage so we keep a corded phone on hand as well, in case of emergencies. It works when the power is out.


12 posted on 03/03/2014 10:43:36 AM PST by sneakers ( Quinn: "Liberty is the solution to the human condition.")
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To: Balding_Eagle

What they cannot hear, they can see.

You Have To SEE This......

Hard to disappear in a crowd….The Feds can see you everywhere….

Pick on a small part of the crowd click a couple of times — wait — click a few more times and see how clear each individual face will become each time. You can also use the Zoom In and Zoom Out on the left of the picture screen.

This picture was taken with a 70,000 x 30,000 pixel camera (2100 Mega Pixels.) These cameras are not sold to the public and are being installed in strategic locations. The camera can identify a face among a multitude of people. Place your computer’s cursor in the mass of people and double-click a couple times. Scary sharp!! George Orwell must be smiling somewhere out there.

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13 posted on 03/03/2014 10:44:46 AM PST by edcoil (Realism is only a socially accepted form of pessimism)
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To: chessplayer

Truthfully, if you can get your hands on old, hand cranked Army field phones that connect with common batteries and ordinary copper wire, they may be worth a lot. Unless the spies put a coil around them, or directly tap them, they are pretty secure. Even more so if they don’t know you have them.


14 posted on 03/03/2014 10:45:01 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: chessplayer
The Walker County town of Carbon Hill has been selected by AT&T for a national technology trial that will help the telecommunications giant determine the best way to move all of its customers to internet-based phone services and away from traditional copper-wire landlines.

I have Comcast for my landline-phone service; and it is, indeed, Internet-based. But if the animating desire is "to move all...away from traditional copper-wire landlines," I am wondering just how this might affect me.

15 posted on 03/03/2014 10:45:05 AM PST by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: bikerman

just the opposite. Landlines are fixed and a piece of cake to monitor as long as there is a court order. Landline is din+asaur technology. This is garden variety modernization not some conspiracy.


16 posted on 03/03/2014 10:46:52 AM PST by plain talk
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To: Oliviaforever

The cell towers were all down/non functioning at my parents. For about 2w prior to their area getting a COWS. No cell service including texting for 2w, no landline and no power for 6w.


17 posted on 03/03/2014 10:48:32 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes
Cell phones were spotty at best after katrina

Maybe. I still seem to remember that the landlines were toast due to so many downed wires. I do know that around here in the ice storm of 2011, there were no cell phone outages (except as the batteries ran down) but a number of lineline outages due to tress knocking down wires. My biggest issue with cell vs landline is that cell phone voice quality seem to be less consistent than land line voice quality. For one thing it is dependent on the handset you have, and some of the cheaper ones just plain suck. For another it depends on the network traffic in your location and at the time you're making tha call. It appears that heavy traffic usage can degrade the signal. Another point I have against cell phones is the constant rapid obsolesence of the handsets.

18 posted on 03/03/2014 10:49:09 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: chessplayer
It seems most tel-cos are going away from copper lines and installing fiber optic cable. Your new phone comes with a UPS that powers it during outages.

The new system offers TV/web/phone on one cable...

19 posted on 03/03/2014 10:49:18 AM PST by virgil283 (When the sun spins, the cross appears, and the skies burn red)
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To: chessplayer

Careful —

The cell phone network stays up during a power failure.
So does the landline network.

Both, until the batteries run out.

The ‘old’ phone company network is the PSTN - the public switched telephone network. Heavily relying on 1:1 circuits and lots of hardware.

The new network is all “internet Protocol” - no telephony switches at all; and it’s predominantly software-based. It’ll be cheaper and faster to upgrade and change — AND more resilient to damage.

The cell phone networks are all moving to all IP as well. The cool stuff of today - LTE - will become LTE+ and it’ll ALL be internet protocol.

This is nothing more than a test-bed of future architectures.

Not to worry.


20 posted on 03/03/2014 10:50:14 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: chessplayer

I wouldn’t have a problem ditching the landline but cell service is pretty much non existent here. To use my cell I have to go out to the middle of the lake.

Kinda like Green Acres.


21 posted on 03/03/2014 10:51:31 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: chessplayer

>> Landlines still work in power outages in case of emergencies. Cell phones don’t.

Not necessarily. In fact after Francis, Jean, and Wilma the cell phone worked days before the landline and power were restored.


22 posted on 03/03/2014 10:51:50 AM PST by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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To: edcoil

What does that have to do with anything being discussed?


23 posted on 03/03/2014 10:53:04 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (Over production, one of the top 5 worries for the American Farmer every year.)
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To: chessplayer

When I switched my internet to Uverse about 2 years ago ATT tried like hell to switch my land line too, but I refused. But I’m going to make it easy for them since I’m about to cancel my phone service after having the same number for over 40 years.


24 posted on 03/03/2014 10:53:40 AM PST by clintonh8r (Don't twerk me, Broi)
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To: chessplayer

I ended my landline phone service a decade ago. I don’t miss it one iota.


25 posted on 03/03/2014 10:55:01 AM PST by EricT. (ARBEIT MACHT FREI- now get back to work you taxpaying peasant!)
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To: WayneS
/tinfoilhatON/ Don’t fall for it! It’s an NSA information gathering test! /tinfoilhatOFF/

Believe it or not, that occurred to me too

26 posted on 03/03/2014 10:56:25 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Blueflag

ATT employee here. So what am I saying? Company is just trying to make a buck. I never cared for the bozos running the company but my paycheck arrived every 2 weeks for 30 years and the stock always did well. So what am I saying? This is about phone service, not horse and buggy issues.


27 posted on 03/03/2014 10:57:45 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: chessplayer; All
Questions for the group, from a semi-Luddite:

I have a bundled package ( cable TV, internet, and landline ) with BrightHouse. I was considering dropping the phone, as I hardly ever use it, but when I called to inquire, the price differential would have been only about $15/month less. I figured for that price..stay with it. It would seem that they want you to keep the landline..it's like free $$ for them.

Will we ever have the technology that lets you have a cell hone and land line with the SAME number? I'd love that. I've been told ( not sure if it's true) that they could do it today..the technology's there, but the problem is the 911 system....if you had the same # the 911 systems can't as yet identify where you're calling from..and it would cost local governments a lot to upgrade.

Comments??

28 posted on 03/03/2014 10:59:19 AM PST by ken5050 (I fear a world run by adults who were never spanked as kids and got trophies just for participating)
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To: cripplecreek

What about VOIP? How are you getting to FR?


29 posted on 03/03/2014 10:59:21 AM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: chessplayer

“Landlines still work in power outages in case of emergencies”

This is the key point that people need to understand. The conventional landline telephone system is a CENTRALIZED system, which was designed for complete independence from the power grid. (No phone had to be plugged-in other than to light up the dial). But more importantly, the CENTRAL OFFICE had a large bank of batteries that could keep the entire system running regardless of whether power was on or not. There was a large diesel generator that could keep the batteries charged and run the central office switching gear as long as you could keep the fuel supplied to it.

None of this is true with wireless, DSL, VoIP, or fiber. The system was never designed to operate independently of grid power and it will not do so. First, most phones are electronic and require power in the home. Second. the network is DE-CENTRALIZED with amplifiers, repeaters, routers, bridges, and other electronic devices scattered all along the network. None of which have back-up power capable of sustained operation. Even if the central office does, it makes no difference because none of the fiber or copper lines will be active.

Some time ago the FCC tried to force the telcom companies to provide 24 hours of backup power for each cellphone tower. The Cellular Telephone Industry Association (CTIA) lobbied to get this killed because their member companies said they could not afford it. Then after Katrina, the FCC acted anyway, and the CTIA is using all it’s power and influence to fight this requirement in court.

So next time you’re in an emergency situation and your cellphone won’t work, thank the CTIA and your cellphone provider who paid them to make sure this is the case.

And thank the FCC if you have a medical condition or other reason to have a fully-reliable 24/7/365 telephone available if they continue to allow telecom providers to remove the option of POTS landline service.


30 posted on 03/03/2014 11:00:02 AM PST by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: chessplayer

Mtns....my first thought too.


31 posted on 03/03/2014 11:00:34 AM PST by ncpatriot
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To: clintonh8r

I am about to shut ours off soon. The only reason we still have it is for the occasional outgoing fax.


32 posted on 03/03/2014 11:00:42 AM PST by liege (America 180)
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To: Alex Murphy

Maybe that’s because we both have top-of-the-line tin-foil hats...


33 posted on 03/03/2014 11:01:15 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: edcoil

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34 posted on 03/03/2014 11:02:18 AM PST by garyb
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To: cripplecreek

**To use my cell I have to go out to the middle of the lake.**

That is when you lose all your guns in boating accidents too. <~:)


35 posted on 03/03/2014 11:02:34 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: chessplayer

Switched over before Christmas. The device has a power pack much like a laptop. And is Aa portable. Has much better signal than a cell. Know at leader one truck driver that adapted it to stay inside his rig


36 posted on 03/03/2014 11:03:20 AM PST by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: chessplayer

Seems like a dumb move. They already have the lines strung. Sure there is some maintenance involved but if ATT isn’t any different than Magic Jack who needs them. Mandatory Internet service?


37 posted on 03/03/2014 11:04:39 AM PST by McGruff (Every night has it's dawn.)
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To: clintonh8r
You can keep your phone number when you transfer to cell phone.
38 posted on 03/03/2014 11:06:00 AM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: chessplayer
But... but... I thought we were all getting sat-based WiFi service.
39 posted on 03/03/2014 11:07:40 AM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: chessplayer

As cable and telephone are both monopoly based services, and further that higher capacity cables are usable by both, why aren’t they mandated to share a common cable in all future infrastructure?

Melding old with new would not pose much of a challenge.


40 posted on 03/03/2014 11:09:43 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: ken5050

Buy a phone system you can link to your cell phone, I just did yesterday. you can have your cell on the charger and get calls on your land line phone. most of them are Bluetooth, some even have a charging port on the base.


41 posted on 03/03/2014 11:10:29 AM PST by jurroppi1
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To: chessplayer

they are not proposing a change to “cell phone” phone service

they want to move customers to “Internet based” phone service

that’s still a “wire” to your house; most likely fiber-optic cable, Internet service and VOIP (voice over Internet protocol) phone service (like Magic Jack, Skype, Vonage, etc.)

AT&T and Verizon are saying to themselves - why sit and watch the Magic Jacks ect take an increasing % of the house-phone phone service via the Internet services they - AT&T & Verizon - have given someone - just move to VOIP as the eventual standard for everyone

in the long run there is a lot of savings in infrastructure costs for all wired services - everything is digital and everything is Internet based


42 posted on 03/03/2014 11:11:04 AM PST by Wuli
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To: chessplayer

fight like hell to stop them. keep your land lines.


43 posted on 03/03/2014 11:13:27 AM PST by dadfly
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To: cripplecreek

Same here The service is fantastic for such areas since it comes from satalitte not from towers. The tech who sold me mine said eventually or in he near future we’d get wifi and all TV from the same small box.
I’ve even taken it to friends who are more remote than I plugged it in there and it worked great. It’s mobile which is another plus in my book. As long as you have a plug. (Solar packs I’m told work just fine)


44 posted on 03/03/2014 11:14:16 AM PST by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: chessplayer

If all phone service becomes web-based, then ISP’s are not common carriers WHY exactly??


45 posted on 03/03/2014 11:15:16 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: bikerman

don’t bet on that, they have a hundred years more experience listening in on copper and the stuff on copper ends up digital anyways.


46 posted on 03/03/2014 11:15:54 AM PST by dangerdoc (I don't think you should be forced to make the same decision I did even if I know I'm right.)
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To: chessplayer

We got rid of our landline a year ago and have not missed it at all.


47 posted on 03/03/2014 11:16:02 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: edcoil

Surreal looking picture. Not one person was talking to another that I could see.


48 posted on 03/03/2014 11:21:56 AM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: cripplecreek

I use Tmobile, they include Wifi calling on all their smartphones except for the iPhone. I live way out in the sticks, cell service is inconsistent but the phone works fine with a wifi connection. This is also true where I work, we are on the ground floor of a large building, no cell service but I can call using the courtesy wifi.


49 posted on 03/03/2014 11:23:12 AM PST by dangerdoc (I don't think you should be forced to make the same decision I did even if I know I'm right.)
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To: bikerman
Government cant listen on land lines as good as they can on wireless.

Oh boy. You are thirty years late on this one. The NSA can most certainly monitor land lines with the greatest of ease.

50 posted on 03/03/2014 11:25:05 AM PST by GingisK
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