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Why Russia No Longer Fears the West
Politico ^ | March 2, 2014 | Ben Judah

Posted on 03/03/2014 7:25:43 PM PST by annalex

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To: stanne

In a few words: The Russian Federation ruling class counts of their western counterparts to continue to provide then with visas, banking and properties on the French Riviera because the capitalist will sell the rope to his hangman.


21 posted on 03/04/2014 5:25:50 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Personal Responsibility
Putin, ex KGB, measured the resolve of his enemies and determined it lacking

Here is the problem that Ben Judah overlooks. Putin's thinking can be characterized as "fuhrerism". He thinks that the western elite are leaders and measures accordingly. He discovers that they do not have a fire in the belly for democracy, human rights etc., -- and they don't, -- and then he concludes that he can bend them at will. That does not follow: the West is governed not by leaders but by managers that obey their own rules in their official conduct. He may yet get his comeuppance because Europe is not going to tolerate another cynical anschluss, -- they know their lessons from the first one.

22 posted on 03/04/2014 5:31:48 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: dragnet2
Our government can't even balance a budget or control it's own borders

Yeah, but we fight foreign wars and slap nations with sanctions like bitch, and that should be his concern.

23 posted on 03/04/2014 5:33:19 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Savage Beast

The West is all that; sooner or later someone will come and swallow us up. I just doubt this is the time.


24 posted on 03/04/2014 5:34:52 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: allendale
Yes. If Putin has the wisdom to (1) stop his military with the Crimea, (2) negotiate over Crimea with Ukraine at the same time providing guarantees of no further expansion, and (3) keep his military from ugly excesses,-- everyone wins.

Also provided a clean plebiscite shows the Crimea really wants separation from the Ukraine, and then Putin takes what they want. They may want sovereignty, not autonomy in RF.

But this scenario was more likely to succeed before that idiot staged his invasion. Now no one would consider any plebiscite in Crimea clean as it will by under the barrels of Putin's machine guns.

So I think Germany will huff and puff and figure that they cannot deal with Putin within a few months. Sanctions is not an attractive option for them, but it is better than appeasement.

25 posted on 03/04/2014 5:43:53 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: G Larry

But it is not about Obama. NATO will handle it as a European crisis and ask Obama of nothing, because they know he is useless for any endeavor.

You know these things with bright colored wires and wooden blocks sliding on them? You find them in pediatric offices. In NATO they have one, so when Obama shows up they set him in front of it. Obama practices hand to eye coordination, and they can talk in peace.


26 posted on 03/04/2014 5:47:01 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Cyber Liberty

No, not just you. The pattern is classic USSR: Finland or Khalkhin-Gol in 1939 were played with the same thuggishness.


27 posted on 03/04/2014 5:50:39 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Navy Patriot
Russians started to to transition from Rule of Man to Rule of Law in 1993, and have made a little progress

In 1993 they shot up their parliament from tanks, so at that starting point anything will look like progress. The reality is that 1988 - 1991 - 1993 were all stages of mimicry accompanying an economic collapse, and some adjustment to the new realities. The new Soviet man of 1917 has not been driven back.

28 posted on 03/04/2014 5:54:07 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Axenolith; llevrok; No One Special

I agree that the real loser in this, next to Ukraine, will be the US and you pointed out why. This is our punishment for 2008 and 2012.


29 posted on 03/04/2014 5:56:32 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: x_plus_one
how Orthodox Russia plans to deal with the rising tide of moslems

And how, exactly, does it plan to deal with it? I've watched the RF politics for a while and no one seems to do anything about it there, worse than us.

30 posted on 03/04/2014 5:58:37 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Caipirabob

LOL.


31 posted on 03/04/2014 5:59:18 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
Now no one would consider any plebiscite in Crimea clean as it will by under the barrels of Putin's machine guns.

Wrong again, but its nice to see you Maidan fan-bois finally waking up to the value of adhering to the democratic process as opposed to mob rule.

32 posted on 03/04/2014 6:06:55 AM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: dragnet2

Our country doesn’t even have a budget, let alone nor that balances.


33 posted on 03/04/2014 6:07:39 AM PST by Palio di Siena
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To: annalex

Excellent — but depressing — analysis. Thanks for the flag.


34 posted on 03/04/2014 6:08:44 AM PST by Bigg Red (O LORD, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth! Ps 8)
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To: annalex

...Europe is not going to tolerate another cynical anschluss, — they know their lessons from the first one.

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I pray you are right, but I fear you are giving Europe too much credit.


35 posted on 03/04/2014 6:18:24 AM PST by Bigg Red (O LORD, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth! Ps 8)
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To: annalex

...sooner or later someone will come and swallow us up....

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It is happening gradually in a bloodless invasion from Mexico. Add to that all of the mohammedans, who eventually will force the word “bloodless” out of the description.


36 posted on 03/04/2014 6:21:08 AM PST by Bigg Red (O LORD, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth! Ps 8)
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To: annalex

We are fighting like hell to make sure some homo can get a wedding cake while our military is putting on cross dressing caberet shows and the author asks why Russia doesn’t fear the west?


37 posted on 03/04/2014 6:50:29 AM PST by Organic Panic
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To: dragnet2

The only people who fear the American government are the American people.


38 posted on 03/04/2014 6:54:27 AM PST by Let's Roll (Save the world's best healthcare - REPEAL, DEFUND Obamacare!)
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To: annalex
Russian overseers are like the Clintons but maybe more cynical. They have $$$ and are kicking the can down the road to see what the future will bring. The rebirth of Christian Russia is ignored by the dechristianized west and is regarded as an inconvenient footnote by everyone save Christian masses in Russia.

Asking the same questions that live in the minds of Russian citizens, Kremlin bureaucrats and the Putin entourage is key.

How far will the moslem problem go before a breaking point? What about the Orthodox Church - what can they do to sto pthe destruction of western christianity by moslem hordes?

The loudest wildcard is the evangelical movement in Moscow. Evangelicals have the eyes and ears of the upper echelon military, business and government. Evangelicals are the most likely to start internal movements against the status quo of Orthodox Christianity. So far, there is no protestant class in Russia save the miniscule evangelical church. This info is all first person interviews posted on youtube from Russia in the past 3 years.

Will the Maidan movement topple Moscow from the inside before the moslems vote themselves into a nuclear power stance?

Talking TV heads talk about the past and geopolitical realities that disappeared with the berlin wall. It's all about what is going to happen with the pushback against the moslem payoff to take over the western world.

39 posted on 03/04/2014 8:30:12 AM PST by x_plus_one (The harvest is great but the workers are few. Salman Rushdie is still in hiding.)
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To: Let's Roll
The only people who fear the American government are the American people.

and the only person to fear American power is the American president.

40 posted on 03/04/2014 9:09:00 AM PST by llevrok (F the government)
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