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Tune out the war party!
WND ^ | March 3, 2014 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 03/03/2014 7:32:33 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo

With Vladimir Putin’s dispatch of Russian troops into Crimea, our war hawks are breathing fire. Russophobia is rampant and the op-ed pages are ablaze here.

Barack Obama should tune them out and reflect on how Cold War presidents dealt with far graver clashes with Moscow.

When Red Army tank divisions crushed the Hungarian freedom fighters in 1956, killing 50,000, Eisenhower did not lift a finger. When Khrushchev built the Berlin Wall, JFK went to Berlin and gave a speech.

When Warsaw Pact troops crushed the Prague Spring in 1968, LBJ did nothing. When, Moscow ordered Gen. Wojciech Jaruzelski to smash Solidarity, Ronald Reagan refused to put Warsaw in default.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: barack0bama; coldwar; fakeconservatives; isolationism; khrushchev; paleocons; paleoconservatism; paleoconservatives; paleopukes; patbuchanan; pjb; readarticle; reagan; redarmytanks; ukraine; vladimirputin; wars
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To: Olog-hai
Pat Buchanan.


21 posted on 03/03/2014 8:22:26 PM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford
"Better the paleoconservative keeping us out of Ukraine than the humiliated neoconservative trying to explain away our mistakes in Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention Egypt, Tunisia and Syria."

Thank you Nathan for your sound reasoning.

22 posted on 03/03/2014 8:22:43 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: dragnet2

The people in public life who are most vocal about sending American soldiers to die usually never served in the military and those most willing to shame their fellow Americans for not fulfilling their limitless “international responsibilities” generally have never seen fit to take up their share by volunteering themselves for overseas service.


23 posted on 03/03/2014 8:24:28 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Yeah, I’ve noticed that.

You bet.


24 posted on 03/03/2014 8:25:34 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
" generally have never seen fit to take up their share by volunteering themselves for overseas service."

Generally true.

Another note: Why has nobody asked how the US would get 140,000 men home from Afghanistan if we have a war with Russia, even if it didn't go nuclear?

Another 40-50,000 NATO troops...along with more than 1/2 of their equipment.

All European countries transported their equipment there via Russian contract on Russian trains.

The Europeans have made their bed. They must now sleep in it.

25 posted on 03/03/2014 8:30:05 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: nathanbedford

Thought he was a paleimitationofaconservative, myself. Or was that a palecaricatureofaconservative? I don’t usually identify antisemites who would deign to work for MSDNC as related to US conservatism, myself.


26 posted on 03/03/2014 8:30:11 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Mariner

The world becomes a lot safer with every drop of domestic and North American oil. The tree huggers who are trying to block the pipeline are the unwitting agents of the Saudis and the god of war.


27 posted on 03/03/2014 8:30:41 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Olog-hai
"Thought he was a paleimitationofaconservative, myself. Or was that a palecaricatureofaconservative? I don’t usually identify antisemites who would deign to work for MSDNC as related to US conservatism, myself."

Yep, make a big show of attacking the man and completely avoid discussing the idea.

How about contending with with the article or subsequent commentary rather than going after the author or those who agree with what was written?

28 posted on 03/03/2014 8:33:10 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Olog-hai
Are we speaking code here about Pat's alleged anti-Semitism?


29 posted on 03/03/2014 8:34:17 PM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Now wouldn’t that be rich in black irony? Kerry advocating military action against Russia? You mean the Russia that provided military aid to North Vietnam? The war that Kerry protested because the U.S. was on the side of the South? THAT Russia? Gadzooks - WWJFD (What would Jane Fonda do?)


30 posted on 03/03/2014 8:37:57 PM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Mariner

Multi-paragraph nonsequiturs are somewhat difficult to contend with, especially when they are written by former MSNBC staff. It’s like trying to take someone like Paul Krugman seriously.

As far as our mistakes during the Cold War, committing them already made the US odious on the world stage, so repeating them will make us a real pariah if not outright laughingstock. Putin could be knocked back on his heels if we wanted him there, but instead we have the “transmissible” president who is “flexible” in Putin’s hands. The USSR is being put back together by Putin right now, and the “leaders” in DC are letting him do it, just like weak leaders before Reagan let the USSR and Red China run roughshod over 100 million corpses. Very bleak situation, especially if we do not turn to God right away.


31 posted on 03/03/2014 8:39:37 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Mariner
I don't think that anyone is seriously speaking of a military intervention.

I think that what is being discussed is a harder line with Putin. (even if it risks another cold war)

Bush did it, although it got little press coverage we did send ships and a few troops to the area and we did begin training of the Georgian’s. And we delivered aid in Military aircraft. It was a message and it was seen and listened to and as a result he pulled back a bit....not all the way but he stopped.

I think that is all we could hope for without getting too deep in the weeds.

But all we see out of Obama is baloney....lot’s of it..

32 posted on 03/03/2014 8:40:03 PM PST by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: nathanbedford

I thought I was speaking relatively openly, and they are not allegations.


33 posted on 03/03/2014 8:41:12 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Mariner
I missed that Kerry even breathed that, so thanks for updating me. I'm afraid I can't take Kerry seriously in the matter. Putin certainly isn't.

For the record, I cannot see a strategic objective for the U.S. in the matter. Russia has one, several, in fact, but one in particular: control of the Crimean peninsula and the force projection capabilities it confers in the Black Sea and from there to the Mediterranean. Putin will kill for that. We won't kill to stop it. End of story.

On a side note, it is with some dismay at the nuances of seniority within the U.S. Senate that gives an ignoramus such as Kerry the post of Chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee. The political corruption that led him to from there to Secretary of State is regrettable but understandable, although I bitterly regret stating that 0bama could not possibly find a worse Secretary of State then Hillary Clinton, and yes, by God he did just that. You know all this, I don't know why I'm bothering you. Venting, maybe.

34 posted on 03/03/2014 8:45:58 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Olog-hai
I just wanted to understand what language we were speaking because when the subject of Pat Buchanan comes up his "alleged" anti-Semitism is always the elephant in the room.

My reaction is that the ad hominem is not of much use in determining anything besides motive, that is, he can be an absolute Nazi but he could still be right-or he could be all wrong and be as innocent as Mother Teresa.


35 posted on 03/03/2014 8:46:55 PM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

For the record, the trade statistics between the United States and Russia, for those keeping score:

http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c4621.html

2013

TOTAL 2013

Exports from US to Russia: $11,164,000,000

Imports to US from Russia: $26,961,500,000

Net Trade Balance: $-15,797,500,000

Boeing (a key US defense contractor) by their own admission:

“The Boeing Company has maintained a cooperative relationship with Russia and the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) since the era of the former Soviet Union. In the 1970s, Boeing was a part of the historic U.S.-Soviet space mission, Apollo-Soyuz, when spacecraft from both countries docked in orbit.”

To find the complete PDF online on Boeing’s website, just google:

boeing russia backgrounder

Why would a key defense contractor engage in such high-tech trade with a supposed “enemy” nation ? Obviously to the people making the real decisions, Russia is a trading partner, not an enemy.

IMHO, it makes no sense at all to bang war drums, given that it looks like globalist bankers/traders are running pretty much everything as they please while keeping the fact well-hidden (in plain sight) from the public.


36 posted on 03/03/2014 8:47:16 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo; Windflier; KC_Lion
We always ask what Reagan would do.

And the next logical step is to find out what the 21st Century Reagan would do. And there's an answer for that at hand. Governor Sarah Palin's strategy on this matter is the one that ought to be guiding America.

37 posted on 03/03/2014 8:48:50 PM PST by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: re_nortex; Colonel Kangaroo; Windflier
Right On Re_Nortex!

Lets get some of those "Petro-Dollars" for ourselves.

38 posted on 03/03/2014 8:51:05 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.- Sarah Palin)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
When Red Army tank divisions crushed the Hungarian freedom fighters in 1956, killing 50,000, Eisenhower did not lift a finger. When Khrushchev built the Berlin Wall, JFK went to Berlin and gave a speech.

Ike came under harsh criticism from conservatives for doing nothing about Hungary, and conservatives were virtually unanimous in condemning JFK for doing nothing about the Berlin Wall. It's amazing to see conservatives today citing these cases as examples as to how we should conduct foreign policy.

39 posted on 03/03/2014 8:53:10 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: nathanbedford
I try to keep from slipping into argumentum ad hominem even when it comes to people like Michael Weiner. Notwithstanding, Mr. Pat B. does give enough fuel to the notion himself.
40 posted on 03/03/2014 8:53:27 PM PST by Olog-hai
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