Skip to comments.Theologian: 'Noah' as Environmentally Preachy As Advertised
Posted on 03/03/2014 8:19:01 PM PST by This Just In
The impressive box office haul for Son of God, a spiritual film culled from footage already broadcast on the hit miniseries The Bible, should bode well for Noah.
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Back in the 1800s when a few thousand times more animals were found than Noah knew about, that pretty much sunk the Ark legends as a history book.
How many different animals did Noah have on the ark?
Evolution within a species. This is not contradictory to the worldwide flood account.
I see that you’re using this thread to springboard, and I understand your argument, but that is a whole other topic altogether.
how many different animals on the ark?
Two of each KIND. For example, a dog/wolf is a kind. We get our “breeds” of dogs all out of these two pari. They had all the latent genetic material to produce all the diversity we see in dogs today.
Of the clean animals, some more than two were carried.
Also, as far as large animals, I would think young, smaller ones would be best (but God gave the dimensions of the Ark large enough, so it does not matter).
It really is funny. What- is the movie trying to make a case for global warming? Just lunacy. The movie will die a terrible death at the box office if that is what it is. They cannot have my money now, no way.
God brought the flood due to mankinds licentiousness and immorality. The only good news here is that he promised never to do this to mankind again.
You know you’ve lost it with Hollywood Californicatia when you find yourself rooting for the villains in all their stupid movies. Ender’s game was the last straw for me, I have no further use for the idiots.
We watched Ender’s Game a few nights ago. For crying out loud! As the credits rolled, we looked at one another as if to say, “Seriously?”.
Actually, Ender’s Game, while lifeless, hewed VERY closely to the book itself.
If you think earthlings were presented in a cold, harsh, and unpleasant light (as I did), blame Orson Scott Card, or a screenwriter that wasn’t willing to flex a bit from the source material.
That’s one of the discussions my family and I had following the film. We had to allow for the book, but I was convinced that the filmmakers fell short on delivering a great story.
I thought the story was flat. The way in which the director developed (or failed to) some of the characters were part of the problem. Thankfully Asa Butterfield and Abigail Breslin were compelling in their roles.
The FX’s were superb.
The dimensions for the ark given in Genesis are 300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide and 30 cubits high (Genesis 6:15). What is a cubit? A cubit is an ancient unit of measurement, the length of the forearm from the elbow to the longest finger (the term cubit comes from the Latin word cubitum which means elbow. The Hebrew word for cubit is ammah. As everybodys arms are different lengths, this unit may seem a bit ambiguous to some, but scholars generally agree that it represents somewhere between 17 and 22 inches (43-56 centimeters). The ancient Egyptian cubit is known to have been 21.888 inches. So, doing the math,
300 x 22 inches = 6,600; 50 x 22 inches = 1,100; 30 x 22 inches = 660
6,600/12 = 550 feet; 1100/12 = 91.7 feet; 660/12 = 55 feet.
Thus, the ark could have been up to 550 feet long, 91.7 feet wide and 55 feet high. These are not unreasonable dimensions. But how much storage space does this amount to? Well, 550 x 91.7 x 55 = 2,773,925 cubic feet. (If we take the smallest measurement of cubit, 17 inches, we end up with 1,278,825 cubic feet). Of course, not all of it would have been free space. The ark had three levels (Genesis 6:16) and a lot of rooms (Genesis 6:14), the walls of which would have taken up space. Nevertheless, it has been calculated that a little more than half (54.75%) of the 2,773,925 cubic feet could store 125,000 sheep-sized animals, leaving over 1.5 million cubic feet of free space.
John Woodmorappe, author of the definitive Noah’s Ark: A Feasibility Study, estimated that only about 15% of the animals on the ark would have been larger than a sheep. This figure does not take into account the possibility that God may have brought Noah infant animals, which can be significantly smaller than adult animals.
How many animals were on the ark? Woodmorappe estimates about 16,000 kinds. What is a kind? The designation of kind is thought to be much broader than the designation species. Even as there are over 400 dog breeds all belonging to one species (Canis familiaris), so many species can belong to one kind. Some think that the designation genus may be somewhat close to the biblical kind.
Nevertheless, even if we presume that kind is synonymous with species, there are not very many species of mammals, birds, amphibians and reptiles. The leading systematic biologist, Ernst Mayr, gives the number as 17,600. Allowing for two of each species on the ark, plus seven of the few so-called clean kinds of animals, plus a reasonable increment for known extinct species, it is obvious that not more than, say, 50,000 animals were on the ark (Morris, 1987).
Some have estimated that there were as many as 25,000 kinds of animals represented on the ark. This is a high-end estimation. With two of each kind and seven of some, the number of animals would exceed 50,000, though not by very much, relatively speaking. Regardless, whether there were 16,000 or 25,000 kinds of animals, even with two of each and seven of some, scholars agree that there was plenty of room for all of the animals on the ark, plus food and water with room to spare.
But, after thinking a bit more, that's fairly accurate from a spiritual point of view, since the Earth had spiritually become a toxic cesspool, utterly polluted by sin.
God only has a few choices to clean that kind of mess and chose to flood the place.
We get fire.
Been listening to Clyde Lewis on Ground Zero tonight and it's got my hair standing. The Nostradamus predictions are scary accurate and fit with what I've been reading in True Life In God,in the Bible and related material, along with the stories in the news and how we are being set up.
I bet people feel it for themselves, but if not, now is an especially good time to seek Him...before He gets here as Judge.
I have to disagree with you on the parallel between the environmental message of Aronofsky’s exploitation of Noah’s Flood, and the Judgement.
Aronofsky’s storyline argues that man has devastated the earth due to over population, etc. God’s Word NEVER mentions overpopulation as being a problem on His creation. As a matter, he commands man to “...be fruitful and multiply”. In the old and the new Testament, we see God illustrating the blessing and benefits of marriage and children. We never read about the Lord commanding his people to reduce the population, or to have just “one child”.
So there is no parallel. The biblical account of Noah’s flood speaks of man’s total depravity and complete rejection of God. Aronofsky’s film focuses on the environment and not our Creator.
I'm making a very loose comparison based on mankind having polluted the earth then and now such that God has to clean up the place, not the EPA.
From a certain point of view, and without seeing the movie or wanting to, they accidentally get partial credit, though I doubt that point of view was their intention, though I pray it will be.
Rooting for Harrison Ford the whole way in Ender’s game. Same thing with Gangs of NY, I was rooting for Daniel Day Lewis all the way.
The story of the flood is universal and believable and the idea that God might have warned the one guy to build an ark is also believable. What ISN’T believable is that God would have wiped the entire Earth over sin only to have sin back in business as if nothing had happened forty years later. I give God credit for being a bit brighter than that...
Here’s the problem with the “mankind polluted the earth” argument: Mankind didn’t pollute the earth.
What I mean to say is, mankind did not pollute the earth in the way in which environmentalists wish to suggest. The entire “Global warming” and “overpopulation” hysteria is based on fallacies.
I don’t wish for you to misunderstand. God commanded us to be good stewards, but the Lord isn’t returning to earth because man polluted it. Jesus is returning as judge because of mankind’s sins and rejection of God. When Adam and Eve disobeyed God, their sin caused all of creation to suffer. It was not due to mans pollution destroying the environment.
Aronofsky is categorically wrong. He simply couched his environmental message in a story by exploiting a biblical event. He tried to make it palatable to people of faith, but the food is rotten.
Well, the Bible doesn’t describe Noah’s Flood as an act in order to rid the earth of sin. Throughout the Old and New testament we see the fall of man and ultimately redemption through Christ, and the fulfillment of scripture. The Lord’s flood was a act of judgement.
That’s being over-simplistic, but my point is that the Flood was not to destroy sin in and of itself.
Daniel Day Lewis is a great actor. Harrison Ford...not so much.
I’ll admit that my favorite scene in Ender’s Game starts when Ender floats through the combat simulator room with two guns in hand all the while blasting his opponents. As a matter of fact, all of my favorite scenes take place in the combat room.
And the Great Flood happened around 2300 BC. Since that time Noah and his immediate family repopulated the earth with black Africans, chineese, philipinos, aborigineas,aztec indians, all the slavic , and even the american indian,Arabs and Jews plus a few more here and there.Gee, I wonder how that came to be?
Sunday night I watched the 1966 classic ‘In the Beginning’ for 100th time or so.
After Noah builds the Ark there is a scene where he leads a bunch of animals onto the ark, and these are animals that were only discovered thousands of years later after world wide travel was invented, like the ones from Africa far South of Eygpt.
Noah didn't know of them anymore than the writers of the books of Moses did many decades later. They only knew of animals in their local areas, and those are what are listed in the two different versions of the Noah story.
While the book of Genesis doesn't mention lions and zebras and elephants (for those reasons), the movie does show them, because in 1966 the movie creators knew about them.
“And the Great Flood happened around 2300 BC. Since that time Noah and his immediate family repopulated the earth with black Africans, chineese, philipinos, aborigineas,aztec indians, all the slavic , and even the american indian,Arabs and Jews plus a few more here and there.Gee, I wonder how that came to be?”
The old 6000 man year gambit eh?
2 peter 3;8 gives us a multiplication formula to use when figuring long time in the bible from man’s perceived years to how the inspiration for the bible sees time - its, “with the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.” You did realize the bible began its count of time before there were suns and planets with which to measure such things as days, months and years...
Now are you able to figure out how many man years there can be if the 6000 year number is multiplied by each day within it being a thousand years? Regardless, The creator of time is obviously not limited to acting within its constraints. And yes per secular thought, time being a function of matter and energy was created when matter and energy were created.
How many animals were in the Ark?
I wasn't there. In fact its very unlikely that the first writing of it was by someone who was.
But by the 1800s it was pretty obvious that no one was building a Love boat in 2000 BC.
The next time will be with fire instead of flood.
So if you don’t know how many animals were in the Ark or the makeup of the population, how do you know who wasn’t in the Ark?
That seems like yours to defend. If you don't know then how can you claim its literal history?
I know that you cant put two of every animal that exists today on the earth on a boat for many days and drop them off together in a single spot and end up with what we see today.
I know that there were no aircraft carrier sized ships being built from trees thousands of years ago.
I know the the same book has two different versions of the Noah flood story.
You made the claim that some animals weren’t in the Ark. I’m just curious what evidence led you to that conclusion. Or perhaps you just have faith that some animals weren’t in the Ark.
I never said anything about what was in the Ark
That was not exactly what I posted, I recall I posted that all the new animals discovered in the ~ 19th Century and later that the writers of the Noah stories didn't know about sunk the Ark.
Like How about the Kangaroo found in Australia only?
I don't want to beat them up or support them, but instead find a way to see a positive in their negative while I forgive them their trespasses. They know not what they do. "Pray for their blessing and correction and let it go" is what I trying to teach myself to do.
The environmental pollution we are both speaking of, while observing history and the events of the day from that certain point of view I was referring to, is not something the EPA deals with.
We are to be good stewards of the Earth and the rest of creation, but that won't be the reason for His ultimate cleansing. That will have little to do with water or quality, population, etc., though those things can be a symptom of the reason.
In other words, the similarity stops at environment and what you mean by "environment" and the nature of the pollution.
Yes, the environment is polluted, and we did the polluting, but without the eyes to see it, the EPA and the rest are oblivious to why the place got flooded in Noah's day or why our story ends with a different cleansing.
Only a few pages left. Be ready to greet the One who will come like a thief in the night.
Like how did two Kangaroos get from the landed Ark to Australia without leaving a trace of being anywhere but Australia?
Best Answer, the book's writers never heard of Kangaroo's let alone seen one, so it wasn't an issue back then.
Is the obvious really what you define as failth?
"Pray for their blessing and correction and mine, then let it go" is what I trying to teach myself to do.
(Ever the prodigal son, I'm usually the one who needs correcting)
Like with my posts! My apologies. Still waiting for the coffee to hit me after a long night and little sleep.
Are you sure they didn't know about them?
Where is your evidence that they did not?
You are sort of like the guy who spent years trying to prove that apples didn't grow in the garden of Eden only to finally read the scripture and discover that apples were not mentioned in Eden in any case.
I just watched this a couple nights ago and I really like the movie all the way until the 5 last minutes when it became a liberal puke fest. Seriously...you train for years to eliminate your enemy and then when you do it you cry about it???? and then you save the queen to start on another planet someplace all over again??? dumbest ending ever.
“Like how did two Kangaroos get from the landed Ark to Australia without leaving a trace of being anywhere but Australia?”
If God can spin the universe into being, moving a couple of ‘roos around seems pretty routine.
The apple probably came from a Sunday school illustration for kids.
With the Noah's Flood there are actually two different versions, same with Creation, and the details are quite different.
No, I don't try to prove that magic didn't happen.
That is pointless.
That's fine but if your answer is magic then asking others for evidence that some detail of the magic ‘didn't happen’ is just rhetoric.
‘ Where is your proof that this magically didn't happen? ‘ is pretty silly.
Also for that reason it doesn't belong in a science class because then that class is like ‘Then there was a puff of smoke and it magically appeared, OK, I am quizzing you on this’
Actually, you said it didn’t happen. I was curious how you planed to prove that something didn’t happen.
Again I don't recall posting words ‘... didn't happen...’
It should be easy for you to find.
I certainly didn't claim to be able to prove that magic didn't happen long before I was born,before there was even writing.
Seems like the burden should be on those making those claims, if anyone.
I recall I said that Noah's Ark was sunk by the weight of all the different types of animals that Europeans were finding in the 1800s.
Scientists were looking for a new idea after a few hundred or so I bet.
Don't forget to multiple that by 2 LOL