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Obama's caution on Ukraine may loom over midterm election [also, live breaking news from Ukraine]
reuters ^ | March 3, 2014 | By Steve Holland

Posted on 03/04/2014 12:14:33 AM PST by Jim Robinson

(Reuters) - With Russia's incursion into Ukraine reviving Cold War-style tensions, President Barack Obama is at risk of suffering a blow to his credibility at a time when he can least afford it: as he tries to convince voters to stick with his fellow Democrats in congressional elections that will help shape his legacy.

For five years, Obama has practiced a cautious approach to foreign policy crises, prizing sober diplomacy and the search for consensus over brinkmanship, in prolonged conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

But the deliberative style that Obama's team sees as a statesmanlike attitude in tune with Americans' war-weariness, was described as dithering in the crisis over Syria, where the United States long discussed military action without committing.

Facing his toughest test yet in Ukraine, Obama is once again finding himself portrayed as a weak leader, outmaneuvered by a wily, opportunistic Russian President Vladimir Putin intent on reviving the United States' nemesis.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Russia
KEYWORDS: 2014issues; 2014midterms; caution; caww; crimea; election; elections; epicfail; loom; midterm; obama; obamaforeignpolicy; obamas; obamaukraine; putin; russia; ukraine; ukrainecrisis; ukrainelive; ukrainestandoff
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1 posted on 03/04/2014 12:14:33 AM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

“Obama has practiced a cautious approach to foreign policy crises, prizing sober diplomacy and the search for consensus over brinkmanship”

Seriously?

The guy who pulled the U.S. diplomatic rug out of a 30 year ally (if admittedly, a flawed one) in Hosni Mubarak favors a cautious approach?

The guy who spent the entire summer of 2009 dithering over Afghanistan, leaving our forces in a strategic limbo because he was trying to avoid alienating his base in order to have them on board his healthcare bill, is an example of sober diplomacy?

Good lord, these guys aren’t even bothering to mix the special Kool-Aid with water. They’re eating it right out of the can by the tablespoon!


2 posted on 03/04/2014 12:28:52 AM PST by DemforBush (A Repo Man is *always* intense.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Amazing Military encounter Jim....Reporter tweeting as it happened:

This column of Ukrainian troops, (Belbek,Crimea)carrying the Ukraine and Soviet (!) flags, marched on the Russian occupied airstrip. ....reached Russian checkpoint. Russians begin firing in the air.... Ukrainians keep marching...Russians call commander to negotiate..... Troops have RPGs and machine guns trained on the column of unarmed Ukrainian soldiers... ...Russians back down, allow 10 Ukraine soldiers to take up positions at occupied base, but still awaiting orders from Moscow..

Face off between Ukraine base commander Col. Yuli Manchur and Russian officer at occupied Belbek airbase.....The red flag the Ukrainians marched with is the banner of the fighter pilots who fought Nazis in 1941 and guarded the Yalta Conference.......Ukraine Colonel still negotiates, Russian snipers & RPGs still aimed at column of soldiers. But deescalation is clear, at least in Belbek.....

(Last tweet)....Ukraine commander demands to guard the base jointly with Russians, who pledge to give their commanders' response by 12:00, in 2 hours


3 posted on 03/04/2014 12:30:22 AM PST by caww
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To: caww

Interesting.


4 posted on 03/04/2014 12:36:17 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: caww

Continued from above posts.....

Russian military truck just brought a handful of (probably Russian) news crews to the Belbek standoff. They’re now filming from Russian side


5 posted on 03/04/2014 12:38:21 AM PST by caww
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To: Jim Robinson

Continued from above posts.....(no need to respond Jim, yes very interesting)

Still tweeting....Times reporter .......”Russian military truck just brought a handful of (probably Russian) news crews to the Belbek standoff. They’re now filming from Russian side”


6 posted on 03/04/2014 12:40:33 AM PST by caww
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To: Jim Robinson
Still happening now...another photo...others are now following this as well...


7 posted on 03/04/2014 12:45:27 AM PST by caww
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>> Caution

Trepidation.


8 posted on 03/04/2014 12:48:00 AM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Poor, poor Obama.
How can they polish this turd?
The Libs are hand wringing......over Obama.
God help us!


9 posted on 03/04/2014 12:48:18 AM PST by right way right (America has embraced the suck of Freedumb.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Ukraine News picking up this live now as it's happening pictured...rather exciting we had it here on FR as it began


10 posted on 03/04/2014 12:49:25 AM PST by caww
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To: caww

11 posted on 03/04/2014 12:52:31 AM PST by caww
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To: right way right
All Obama voters care about is ‘free stuff’ and entitlements. They probably never heard of the Ukraine. All they have to do is start saying the ‘mean ole republicans’ are going to take away their ‘free stuff’ and they will come out like cockroaches out of the woodwork.
12 posted on 03/04/2014 12:55:44 AM PST by MagnoliaB
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To: caww
Russian side...(will be last entry..didn't mean to hijack Jim's thread...but it's happening now)...


13 posted on 03/04/2014 12:55:57 AM PST by caww
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To: caww

Ok, great. Bumped it up to breaking for you. Please keep it coming if you can.


14 posted on 03/04/2014 12:56:11 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: MagnoliaB

I was referring more to the lefty pundits in the media and their obsession with the legacy of Obama but, I get what you are saying about voters and the up coming election.

Things are happening now.
It really would be best if Obama and McCain would just STFU.

I wish they both would just STFU!

I have an 18 year old son who is considering serving in the military after graduation, so this concerns me a lot.


15 posted on 03/04/2014 1:08:15 AM PST by right way right (America has embraced the suck of Freedumb.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Ok will do Jim.....there’s more..I’ll go fetch it...


16 posted on 03/04/2014 1:11:19 AM PST by caww
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To: Jim Robinson
"For five years, Obama has practiced a cautious approach to foreign policy crises, prizing sober diplomacy and the search for consensus..."

The nonsense those idiots write! Ask Ghadafy about "sober diplomacy" or the Egyptians about "consensus"!

Good grief...

17 posted on 03/04/2014 1:13:00 AM PST by Southack (The one thing preppers need from the 1st World? http://tinyurl.com/ktfwljc .)
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To: Jim Robinson

Putin and Obama hate each other at this point I reckon.
Putin has Barry’s number and Barry knows it. And no fawning press or fake marble columns to put a nice face on it.


18 posted on 03/04/2014 1:13:29 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: caww
A little earlier..but still going on...

Ukraine's 204th tactical aviation brigade when they just arrived to face down the Russians in Belbek


19 posted on 03/04/2014 1:14:07 AM PST by caww
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To: caww
Ukrainian soldiers in Belbek staying put but allowed to break ranks and smoke


20 posted on 03/04/2014 1:17:23 AM PST by caww
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To: caww
Wives of Ukrainian officers prepared to join the men marching on Belbek airbase but had to stay put...


21 posted on 03/04/2014 1:19:43 AM PST by caww
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To: caww

Latest tweet....from reporter.....Groups of pro Russia Crimeans are coming to base to try & evict the Ukrainian soldiers.... A platoon has been dispatched to guard perimeter


22 posted on 03/04/2014 1:26:29 AM PST by caww
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To: caww
I bet they needed a smoke after that standoff!

Great reporting. Thanks, caww.

23 posted on 03/04/2014 1:29:35 AM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: caww

credit for twitter photos go to @AnshelPfeffer and @haaretzcom..also @shustry


24 posted on 03/04/2014 1:33:39 AM PST by caww
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To: TigersEye

It’s more tense really then the photos show....I’m reading that half the base had surrendered before the other half opted to march and attempt to retake the base “peacefully”.

Have to say this Commanders move took a lot of nerve...trigger happy men have started many outbreaks over the years....not to mention the risk of doing this...after all they were dealing with the Russian Army....

Huffington Post just requesting to run the photos from tweeter...but we had them as it’s happening!


25 posted on 03/04/2014 1:39:59 AM PST by caww
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To: caww

More.....

“Local Berkut seem to have attacked the administrative building at Belbek airbase”...unconfirmed


26 posted on 03/04/2014 1:42:01 AM PST by caww
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To: caww

Ok, this may be a story on this incident: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3129301/posts


27 posted on 03/04/2014 1:45:08 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: caww
Stand off continues...


28 posted on 03/04/2014 1:46:00 AM PST by caww
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To: caww

Thanks for the updates!


29 posted on 03/04/2014 1:46:16 AM PST by prisoner6 (FREEDOM)
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To: caww; maggief

How much of this is kabuki for the cameras and Western consumption ?


30 posted on 03/04/2014 1:47:58 AM PST by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: caww

Great job Caww,


31 posted on 03/04/2014 1:48:40 AM PST by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: hoosiermama

Good question


32 posted on 03/04/2014 1:49:51 AM PST by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: right way right

I’m with you.


33 posted on 03/04/2014 1:54:02 AM PST by MagnoliaB
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To: crosslink; Jim Robinson
Still going on.... unconfirmed twitter posts...the deadline for the standoff is 10 minutes from now at Belbek air base in Crimea


34 posted on 03/04/2014 1:56:00 AM PST by caww
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To: hoosiermama

NAh...I was on twitter as the soldiers began their march...they meant business...half the base had surrendered but this Commander lead his men to this confrontation...

Not sure how this is going to go but a smart move for commander to have his men break rank and smoke if they want...tensions high enough...


35 posted on 03/04/2014 1:58:40 AM PST by caww
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To: caww; kristinn

Wonder if HP have picked up the tweets from Medea Benjamin that Kristinn posted? She’s sitting in “jail” in Cairo airport. Lol

Freepers are the best!


36 posted on 03/04/2014 2:00:59 AM PST by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: Jim Robinson
Russian answer to Ukrainian demand for 'access to aircraft' at Belbek airbase due in 5 minute....Commander wants control,guarding their planes...
37 posted on 03/04/2014 2:01:37 AM PST by caww
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To: caww

Ok.


38 posted on 03/04/2014 2:04:34 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: caww
FOX News is on it: Pro-Russian forces fire warning shots in Ukraine as as Kerry heads to Kiev Fox News - ‎59 minutes ago‎ http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/03/04/pro-russian-forces-fire-warning-shots-in-ukraine-as-as-kerry-heads-to-kiev/
39 posted on 03/04/2014 2:10:33 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: crosslink

Stand off Update...:

Ukrainian commander crossed over to the other side again to talk to Russians.... Russians apparently waiting for orders to allow Commander to guard the planes or not....

Gutsy guy...Times up....so Ukrainian Commander went to the Russian guy in Command there....


40 posted on 03/04/2014 2:12:48 AM PST by caww
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To: Jim Robinson

Thanks...good...Ukraine Commander just went over to the Russians... Past Times up for when Russian Commander said he’d have an answer

That man has courage in the face of conflict!


41 posted on 03/04/2014 2:14:57 AM PST by caww
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To: hoosiermama

>> How much of this is kabuki for the cameras and Western consumption ?

Or maybe a display of the awesome power of the hand of GOD?

I’m praying for no bloodbath there.


42 posted on 03/04/2014 2:17:47 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: caww
Ukraine Commander Colonel Yuli Mamchuk early this morning so you know who he is......


43 posted on 03/04/2014 2:19:20 AM PST by caww
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To: caww

So he defected to the Russians? Seems like a lot of that going on lately.


44 posted on 03/04/2014 2:21:24 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

If Ukraine is subdued and out of the news by mid year it will have little impact on the midterm elections. The Soviet Union and the Cold War ended 23 years ago. The median age of the US population is 37. A 37 year old today was only 14 when the Soviet Union collapsed. A huge segment of the US population has little or no memory of the Cold War and the Russian threat. For those voters Russian actions in Ukraine, and the European continent, are distant and inconsequential.

Certainly the core Democrat constituencies care very little about Eastern Europe and Russia. They are focused on domestic issues - abortion rights, wealth and income redistribution, government control of healthcare, gun control, green energy, minority rights, and amnesty for illegals. Were Russian tanks to swarm across Western Europe Democrat voters will not be concerned unless social welfare programs are threatened or they face the risk of being drafted into the army.

Few voters who fear the resurgence of Russia, and loss of American power, voted for Obama or will vote for Democrats in the 2014 mid term elections. Therefore Obama, Kerry, and Democrat politicians do not need to consider how they are perceived by the public as they pursue diplomacy and saber rattle with no will or intent to take meaningful action. Most of the mainstream media coverage will ultimately parrot the administration’ stalking points. The few negative comments in the press today will be forgotten by election time when the media will be 100% a propaganda organ for the Democrats.

Obama is acting with zero constraints. He has no fear of any negative domestic political repercussions from anything he does in conducting foreign affairs. Even if he blunders badly he will not be held accountable by the media, by Congress, or by the majority of the American people.

Unless the US homeland is attacked directly, or Obama directly engages large numbers of US military forces abroad, votes in the upcoming mid term elections will be cast based on domestic issues. While the GOP is right to criticize the inept foreign policy of this administration, highlighting the foreign policy disaster will not win over swing voters, much less energize the conservative base. The party must convince enough voters it has specific and better plans than the Democrats for getting the economy going and fixing healthcare. Simply being the alternative to status quo is not enough as Romney proved in 2012. Another “Contract With America” will draw more votes in the mid terms than sending John McCain out to pontificate on foreign policy.


45 posted on 03/04/2014 2:21:58 AM PST by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: Jim Robinson

46 posted on 03/04/2014 2:24:39 AM PST by McGruff (Every night has it's dawn.)
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To: caww
Still waiting for Russians to give their answer...


47 posted on 03/04/2014 2:25:02 AM PST by caww
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To: Jim Robinson

NO...

the Russians said they’d have an answer if or not the Commander and his men can guard/control their planes and the base as a joint effort....that was over two hours ago...the deadline Russia gave when they’d have an answer for them.

Times up..the commander went to them to find out what the answer is..


48 posted on 03/04/2014 2:29:21 AM PST by caww
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To: Jim Robinson

"How will the Ukraine impact OBAMA'S TEAM in the election!??!!"

The true worry of the Obama buttlicking media.

49 posted on 03/04/2014 2:30:03 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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OMG, they are SMOKING?!!?

Kerry and Obama have an excuse to abandon them now.


50 posted on 03/04/2014 2:32:24 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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