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Real estate agents grapple with Illinois' new gun law
Chicago Tribune ^ | 04 mar 2014 | Mary Ellen Podmolik

Posted on 03/04/2014 5:31:03 AM PST by rellimpank

At homes listed for sale this spring, a prospective buyer may notice the manicured lawn, the pot of flowers by the walkway, and possibly the state’s official “no guns” sign posted by the front door.

Realty firms, like other businesses, are grappling with how to handle the state’s new concealed carry law. But in an industry whose very foundation involves strangers sitting in agents’ cars and offices and walking through private homes, devising guidelines is proving difficult.

Late last week, just as the state was mailing out the first 5,000 concealed carry licenses, the Illinois Association of Realtors unveiled a consent form that could take the conversation between real estate agents and home sellers into uncharted territory.

The form, if realty firms and agents choose to use it, allows homeowners to specify whether they would allow a potential buyer with a concealed firearm inside their property.

If the seller says “no,” an agent would display the state-authorized sign, a drawing of a black gun with a red circle and line through it, outside the home during all showings and open houses.

(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: banglist; rkba
--as most of the comments agree , this has to be about as silly a piece of media filler material as I've seen---
1 posted on 03/04/2014 5:31:03 AM PST by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank

Insane. It’s always about “feeling good”.

A criminal will bring in the gun, hold up the agent and take the valuables.

The law abiding citizen is there to consider purchasing the home.

Tell the gun carrying law abiding citizen he can’t come in with his gun and you’ve lost his business. Period.


2 posted on 03/04/2014 5:35:06 AM PST by albie
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To: rellimpank
Gee...HOW MANY OTHER STATES have conceal carry laws? They figured it out.

But of course, Illinois is a special kind of stupid.


3 posted on 03/04/2014 5:35:11 AM PST by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: rellimpank

Talk about straining at a gnat. The day I toured a rent house I was considering buying was the first day of legal open carry in OK and I was taking advantage of it. The agent didn’t even say a word or bat an eye, so far as I can tell. He remained a professional and we did the deal.


4 posted on 03/04/2014 5:36:40 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: rellimpank

Of course I support a home-owner’s right to control what happens in their home but when you open your home to people, you lose a lot of autonomy.


5 posted on 03/04/2014 5:39:42 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: rellimpank

6 posted on 03/04/2014 5:39:58 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (If Barack Hussein Obama entertains a thought that he does not verbalize, is it still a lie?)
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To: rellimpank
"... the state’s official “no guns” sign posted by the front door. "

Seriously? Are people putting signs on their own houses advertising that they have no guns? Thomas Sowell makes the distinction between two-stage thinkers and one-stage thinkers. These are definitely one-stage thinkers. The second stage is gonna be a heck of a surprise to them.

7 posted on 03/04/2014 5:40:46 AM PST by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes EVERYTHING)
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To: rellimpank

It’s another ‘small step’ along the way in the banning, and ultimate confiscation, of firearms and, our freedom-of-choice. Restaurants, bars and other businesses routinely do it; now residential rentals and leasing are doing it. Some places also ban smoking, indoors and outside. What’s next? Banning of garlic and onions in cooking?


8 posted on 03/04/2014 5:43:37 AM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Paine in the Neck
Thomas Sowell makes the distinction between two-stage thinkers and one-stage thinkers.

Thomas Sowell is a three stage thinker - he is like the Chuck Norris of thinking.

9 posted on 03/04/2014 5:44:13 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: rellimpank

More gun laws to fix problems that don’t exist.


10 posted on 03/04/2014 5:45:10 AM PST by Iron Munro (Albert Einstein: The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: albie
"But in an industry whose very foundation involves strangers sitting in agents’ cars and offices and walking through private homes, devising guidelines is proving difficult...

Heh. I would think this would be an argument FOR concealed carry.

11 posted on 03/04/2014 5:47:11 AM PST by cyn (Benghazi.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Book mark


12 posted on 03/04/2014 5:49:14 AM PST by southland ( I have faith in the creator Republicans freed the slaves)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Haha, YES!!! There it is! The offishul state sign.

Idiots.


13 posted on 03/04/2014 5:49:31 AM PST by cyn (Benghazi.)
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To: rellimpank

Concealed means concealed. I carry everywhere I go and nobody is the wiser.


14 posted on 03/04/2014 5:52:15 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: cyn

I’m a Realtor. I can tell you 1st hand that many people will not buy a home from their political opposite. I’ve shown homes to libs that had conservative books etc and they don’t buy.

I’ve shown homes to conservatives who see “My Life” by Bill Clinton on the shelf and they don’t buy. This silly ass piece of bologna will hurt the industry there.

The libs are the ones that bring it up. “Oh. Some right wingers live here”. Conservatives usually keep it to themselves but I can tell.


15 posted on 03/04/2014 5:54:03 AM PST by albie
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To: albie

Though it certainly would give the buyer an advantage.

The seller is advertising his utter stupidity with that sign.


16 posted on 03/04/2014 5:57:53 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: albie

It really would be best if we could live apart from each other, but the libs would never allow that.


17 posted on 03/04/2014 5:58:59 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: albie

And yet, I bet if a prospective liberal buyer were told that said conservative homeowner would not agree to selling their home to a liberal, the liberal would sue to make them sell it to them. We have come to this...irreconcilable differences.


18 posted on 03/04/2014 6:08:57 AM PST by Anima Mundi (Envy is just passive, lazy greed.)
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To: MrB

A 2 state solution so to speak.


19 posted on 03/04/2014 6:11:59 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Resolute Conservative

Simple, isn’t it?


20 posted on 03/04/2014 6:13:08 AM PST by Fireone (Impeach and imprison, NOW! Treason and murder are still crimes.)
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To: albie

As a conscientious buyer, I would just tell my agent not to show me any properties that display the sign. Why waste someone’s time if I wouldn’t be interested. Of course I would never buy in Illinois either. I won’t even enter the state unless I must cross it to travel somewhere else, and it’s just across the river.


21 posted on 03/04/2014 6:14:57 AM PST by Second Amendment First
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To: albie

“A criminal will bring in the gun, hold up the agent and take the valuables.”

In an article about more women getting CHPs, there was an interview with a female real estate agent who gave exactly that as the reason she got the permit.


22 posted on 03/04/2014 6:18:42 AM PST by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: albie

I am a retired Realtor, sold homes for thirty years. I can tell you there was one day I wish I would have had a gun because I almost got it from a lone male looker at an open house. I was just closing, the house was at the end of the street and he came in, went upstairs and tried to get me to come up by asking questions, he wouldn’t come down. Finally, he started down the stairs, I went out and stood in the middle of the yard. His car was parked far down the street. Being a Realtor is a dangerous job.


23 posted on 03/04/2014 6:19:34 AM PST by Toespi
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To: Red in Blue PA

I was thinking more of a “50 state solution”, as the country was set up to begin with.


24 posted on 03/04/2014 6:23:33 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Second Amendment First
Yeah, I'd treat them the same way I treat businesses that proclaim their stupidity with "no firearms" signs. They don't get my business. It doesn't happen much around here, this is fairly gun-friendly territory, but there are a few exceptions.

I have literally been walking towards a place, money in my pocket intending to purchase something, seen the sign on the door and done a 180. Haven't been back. A Coleman Camping Store if you can believe that! You'd think a place that caters to outdoors types would be more hunter/firearms friendly.

With a house... Well, a no firearms sign tells me the current owners are either fascists or severely ignorant of the ways of the world. Tells me there's a good chance they aren't responsible homeowners either, so the place probably hasn't been maintained. Also tells me if they're capable of deluding themselves and lying to themselves to that level they'd probably lie to me too. I'd have no qualms about taking a pass on even considering their house.

25 posted on 03/04/2014 6:32:44 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: rellimpank

What, EXACTLY, is the problem that this law is trying to address?


26 posted on 03/04/2014 6:33:12 AM PST by Mr. Quarterpanel (I am not an actor, but I play one on TV)
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To: albie

So what you’re saying, if you like your neighbors, but are moving, put conservative stuff around your home, to ward off the malcontents.


27 posted on 03/04/2014 6:35:14 AM PST by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: Red in Blue PA; MrB
A 2 state solution so to speak.

Ohhh...wouldn't that be AWESOME!!!


(I happened to notice, this is my favorite model Lauren Elaine Edelson, from Dierks Bentley video's)

28 posted on 03/04/2014 6:41:18 AM PST by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: albie

That was my first thought. This is actually profiling for a buyer who has your agenda.


29 posted on 03/04/2014 6:51:56 AM PST by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: mountn man

So what you’re saying, if you like your neighbors,...”

...my cul de sac couldn’t be a better place to live. All conservative, family oriented, nice people. People moved away 2 doors down and sold the house to another conservative family. The right bumper stickers in the cul de sac, kids playing ball etc chased away the libs. Most libs’ kids don’t play ball. They paint, sculpt, speak French and do yoga. Oh, and play XBOX.


30 posted on 03/04/2014 6:54:26 AM PST by albie
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To: MrB

‘It really would be best if we could live apart from each other, but the libs would never allow that.’

Who would pay for their fantasies, entitlements, and general corruption?


31 posted on 03/04/2014 7:06:06 AM PST by Let's Roll (Save the world's best healthcare - REPEAL, DEFUND Obamacare!)
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To: rellimpank
“My sense is you’re going to see (signs) more and more,” he said. “It will start to blend in.”

BS

32 posted on 03/04/2014 7:09:03 AM PST by moovova
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To: rellimpank

Think of it this way,they could be carrying cigarettes.

That would be more horrifying than a a gun to some folks.

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33 posted on 03/04/2014 7:10:21 AM PST by Mears
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To: carriage_hill

Relax. Recent history has shown that these ‘small steps’ backfire on those who attempt them, especially when it comes to gun rights.

Putting a no guns warning in a house for sale simply decreases traffic from would be buyers.


34 posted on 03/04/2014 7:11:56 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (Over production, one of the top 5 worries for the American Farmer every year.)
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To: albie

As silly as the WHITE people back in 1968 who posted a sign in their windows...”THIS HOUSE IS NOT ARMED!” and “SOUL BROTHER” in hopes that the rioters would pass them by.

It didn’t last long.


35 posted on 03/04/2014 7:15:21 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: albie

***I can tell you 1st hand that many people will not buy a home from their political opposite.**

This reminds me of the people who went out to buy a used car.

They turn on the radio, if it hits all Rock and Roll stations, they consider the car to be abused.
If it hits easy listening music, they feel the car is not abused and often will buy.


36 posted on 03/04/2014 7:18:45 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: ThunderSleeps

There were a few no gun signs on businesses when we got cc years back. I haven’t seen a sign on a private business in years. The only “business” that can afford a no gun policy is the government.


37 posted on 03/04/2014 7:19:11 AM PST by dangerdoc (I don't think you should be forced to make the same decision I did even if I know I'm right.)
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To: MrB

Well Duh! That’s like the tapeworm agreeing to hang out in a jar in the junk drawer...


38 posted on 03/04/2014 7:21:21 AM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: albie
A criminal will bring in the gun, hold up the agent and take the valuables.

Or worse. "Forensic Files" had an episode where a creep went around looking for lone female RE agents, making an appointment to see a house, and once inside, raping and killing them.

39 posted on 03/04/2014 8:00:10 AM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Oatka

There are attractive female agents that I know who try and bring their husband/boyfriend/brother to a showing if they don’t know the guy.
They bring a partner to an open house. And it doesn’t matter how nice the neighborhood.

A “NO GUNS” sign will actually attract illegal guns/perps.


40 posted on 03/04/2014 8:52:49 AM PST by albie
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To: rellimpank

I once opened a cabinet at a house I was looking at and found the sellers gun storage.

Cool.


41 posted on 03/04/2014 9:10:45 AM PST by cyclotic (Hey BSA-I'm gone. Walk Worthy-traillifeusa.com)
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To: albie
There are attractive female agents that I know who try and bring their husband/boyfriend/brother to a showing if they don’t know the guy.
They bring a partner to an open house. And it doesn’t matter how nice the neighborhood.

That's what happened in the "Forensic Files" episode - the original agent brought her husband along. The perp walked towards the car, spotted the man, and high-tailed it. He cruised around until he saw an "Open House" sign, walked in and ended up killing the woman on duty.

42 posted on 03/04/2014 1:31:20 PM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Oatka

Sounds like a show that gives robbers and murderers ideas. I guess every does that. I’m sure it also helped to wake up some Realtors and to keep them more alert to the possiblities.


43 posted on 03/04/2014 1:58:37 PM PST by albie
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To: albie

Indeed. After watching these shows, I told the wife that it like taking a class in Crime 101, by learning what NOT to do when breaking the law in these high-tech days.


44 posted on 03/04/2014 2:01:22 PM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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