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A Solution to Gay Wedding Cakes [Turn About's Fair Play]
Canada Free Press ^ | March 4, 2014 | Jonathon Moseley

Posted on 03/04/2014 1:57:46 PM PST by Moseley

There is one sure-fire way to stop any particular dumb idea being pushed by liberals. Whatever the topic, it is almost guaranteed.

Simply turn it around and apply any liberal proposal or regulation to liberals. You will watch any dumb idea disappear or crazy law be repealed so fast you won’t know what happened. That’s what happened to the Independent Counsel law. As soon as Republicans started using it against Democrats, specifically Bill Clinton, abruptly Democrats fell out of love with the law and let it lapse when it was up for renewal.

Liberals live in a world of double standards. So if you force them to live by their latest hair-brain scheme, they will drop it like a hot potato. Liberals won’t ever admit they were wrong. But they will forget all about it.

Now, liberals want to force conservative and Christian bakers to make wedding cakes for gay weddings, photographers to cover the wedding, florists to decorate it, etc. And now at last – if anyone didn’t already figure it out – the real purpose of the push for homosexual weddings is unmasked. The gay marriage issue is only about left-wing fascism.

Yet the solution is surprisingly easy. All across the nation, we need conservative activists with a little funds to launch the following campaign:

(1) Search for left-leaning or homosexual-wedding-friendly bakeries, florists, photographers, etc.

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(2) Approach those bakers to bake cakes with conservative or Christian messages or photographers to photograph right-wing political conferences, conventions, or events.

For example, order a sheet cake for church or an event (maybe a party) with Christian messages or scriptures such as “Children need a mother and a father” or “Marriage is one man and one woman.” Or: John 3:3 “You must be born again” or “Jesus is Lord.”

Or order a sheet cake with conservative messages or candidates, like “Ted Cruz / Sarah Palin 2016.” Or “The Second Amendment: It’s the Law.” Or “Global Warming Hoax R.I.P.” Or “Happy Birthday Tea Party.”

(3) When a baker refuses to do the job or photographer refuses to cover a conservative or Christian event (or intentionally screws it up), file exactly the same type of lawsuit as homosexual activists. And of course tell the press, mostly the conservative media and talk radio.

The root problem here is a “public accommodation.” Back in the era of Jim Crow laws and the civil rights movement trying to end discrimination, there was a serious problem. Blacks traveling might enter a town and find that no one would rent them a motel room. They might have nowhere to stay at all. Blacks might not be able to find any restaurant where they could eat.

So the idea of a “public accommodation” – essential service – became important. How do you balance the right of a private business to do whatever he or she wants with their property (their business) and the rights of individuals? The only justification for telling a business whom they have to serve is when people have nowhere to go at all for essential services under discrimination.

That is what a “public accommodation” means – a hotel, a bus line, a taxicab, a restaurant. Civil rights laws guarantee essential services that are so fundamental that a person cannot reasonably survive and live if minorities are denied service.

But the vast majority of businesses are not “public accommodations.” If one photographer doesn’t feel like working with you, there are plenty of others. If one gift shop won’t sell you a snow globe, you’ll live.

1 posted on 03/04/2014 1:57:46 PM PST by Moseley
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To: Moseley

I suggest the KKK try to run some ads in Vibe magazine!

lol

but seriously, here is what I want to know... do these same bakers ... refuse to bake cakes for hetrosexual couples living together? I am just curious if they take a consistent moral stand or only one in the case of this particular sin.


2 posted on 03/04/2014 2:02:47 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Moseley

3 posted on 03/04/2014 2:03:18 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

another example would be to bake a birthday cake for a divorced parent.

I can think of TONS of situations where someone might have to deal with someone on a business basis that is engaged is some sort of sinful behavior.


4 posted on 03/04/2014 2:04:31 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Moseley

This is something that only goes one way. A conservative can be denied service all day long and nothing will happen. No lawsuit will make it past the first hearing. Nobody will cover the story. It’s foolish to think that anything used by gays will work the other way. There aren’t just double standards, the standards pass through alternate dimensions even.


5 posted on 03/04/2014 2:04:54 PM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: Moseley

Going down to Ben and Jerry’s today and have them print out my tagline on one of their ice cream cakes.


6 posted on 03/04/2014 2:08:02 PM PST by A'elian' nation ("Political Correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred." Jacques Barzun)
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To: Moseley

I am authorized to perform civil weddings in Indiana. If Indiana law ever recognizes same-sex “marriages” I will probably legally be under a duty to perform the ceremony. But there is no statutory set “dialog” for performing the ceremony. My ceremony may start with “OK, which one of you is the pitcher and which one is the catcher?”

And it will probably go downhill from there.

I may be obligated to perform a wedding. Nobody said it had to be a good one.


7 posted on 03/04/2014 2:08:43 PM PST by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: Moseley

All you’re gonna end up with is a cake full of fecal matter and urine because, conservatives aren’t human.


8 posted on 03/04/2014 2:09:50 PM PST by freedomson (Tagline comment removed by moderator)
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9 posted on 03/04/2014 2:11:05 PM PST by kingattax (America needs more real Americans.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
but seriously, here is what I want to know... do these same bakers ... refuse to bake cakes for hetrosexual couples living together? I am just curious if they take a consistent moral stand or only one in the case of this particular sin.

It's not a case of refusing to bake cakes in general for gay people or even for gay couples. These religious individuals refuse to bake cakes celebrating gay "marriage". That is a much narrower distinction, one that makes their refusal clearly an issue of religious expression. The analogous refusal for heterosexual couples living together would be refusing to bake a cake for a real marriage, and that is a choice that these bakers would presumably celebrate. I don't see any hypocrisy there.

10 posted on 03/04/2014 2:11:13 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
but seriously, here is what I want to know... do these same bakers ... refuse to bake cakes for hetrosexual couples living together? I am just curious if they take a consistent moral stand or only one in the case of this particular sin.

That's actually kind of irrelevant. No one is talking about bakers refusing to bake cakes for homosexuals (well, the media is, but it's misleading). The issue is, rather, bakers refusing to bake cakes for homosexual "weddings". So, your analogy would have to be a heterosexual couple asking for a cake for an event that somehow celebrates their living together -- not something that's likely to come up very often....

11 posted on 03/04/2014 2:11:21 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: A'elian' nation

When liberals discriminate, it’s called “freedom of choice”. When conservatives do it, it’s “discrimination”.


12 posted on 03/04/2014 2:11:30 PM PST by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

IIRC...they said they would bake the gay couple any other kind of cake for any other occasion they wanted. But they would not endorse a gay marriage by providing the Wedding Cake


13 posted on 03/04/2014 2:12:13 PM PST by digger48
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what would happen if the Christian baker agrees to bake a basic white cake, but refuses to place the two women or two men cake topper at the top or make the rainbow style cakes? can they be sued? why not just say, I don’t think I can make rainbow flavored cakes with too many colors because I’ve never done that before and leave it at that?


14 posted on 03/04/2014 2:14:11 PM PST by snowstorm12
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To: Moseley
Although, it's possible it could work in some instances, there are problems.
15 posted on 03/04/2014 2:15:02 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Most people don’t order cakes saying, “Yay! We’re living together!” They only order cakes when they’re actually getting married. And if they lived together prior to the wedding, the Christian baker usually wouldn’t have any way of knowing that.


16 posted on 03/04/2014 2:16:12 PM PST by Nea Wood (When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.-Sowell)
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To: Moseley
I would rather not buy anything to eat from somebody who hates me, especially if they have questionable morals…
17 posted on 03/04/2014 2:16:27 PM PST by cartan
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To: Moseley

The best solution I’ve seen, offered up by another Freeper, was to advertise that any profits from cakes made for gay weddings would be donated to gay conversion therapy services.


18 posted on 03/04/2014 2:16:54 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: Moseley

The best solution I’ve seen, offered up by another Freeper, was to advertise that any profits from cakes made for gay weddings would be donated to gay conversion therapy services.


19 posted on 03/04/2014 2:16:54 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: TexasFreeper2009

It’s not whether the customer is a sinner — which we ALL are — it’s that the Christian vendor is being asked to participate (or celebrate) in a wedding that they consider an abomination before God. Its akin to giving your friend money to get an abortion and driving her to the abortion clinic. Yeah, you didn’t actually perform the abortion, but you sure helped your friend acquire one.


20 posted on 03/04/2014 2:18:20 PM PST by Prince of Space (Be Breitbart, baby. LIFB.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Buy a Betty Crocker cake mix and let a 16 year old make the cake. Does the law specifically require the cake taste good?


21 posted on 03/04/2014 2:20:45 PM PST by WildWeasel
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To: Moseley
Simply turn it around and apply any liberal proposal or regulation to liberals.

Gay hair stylist drops New Mexico governor as client because she opposes same-sex marriage

22 posted on 03/04/2014 2:22:56 PM PST by x
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To: Gen.Blather

We have a BINGO here!


23 posted on 03/04/2014 2:23:03 PM PST by daler
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To: Moseley
This controversy gave a tremendous business opportunity

The Gay Wedding Centre
featuring
Cakes for Queers
Gay Wedding Favors
And The Lonely Lesbo-Lumberjack Outreach Center

Many of my fellow FReepers are unaware that I am the promoter of the
Maine Same Sex Marriage Proposal

Same sex couples working in the lumber industry would be allowed to contract "marriage" for the northwoods lumber season only, said marriage lapsing with the Spring Thaw. This I thought might cut down on violence and STDs in winter lumber camps and increase lumberjack productivity. What give me the idea was that all the manly women up here, especially those who work for the state, wear really cool heavy lumberjack shirts and caulked boots.

For some reason, my idea has met with a tepid reception among the voters and I may lose my Selectman official status, never mind my perennial bid for schoolboard.

24 posted on 03/04/2014 2:24:13 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (Don't let the aftershave and embalming fluid fool you. Many RINOs are actually dead meat.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Or just use Ex-Lax or spit as a major ingredient. Works in NYC when you piss off a baker or waiter.


25 posted on 03/04/2014 2:27:23 PM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Moseley

“cake, what wedding cake? “
“Show me your contract please”


26 posted on 03/04/2014 2:32:24 PM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: henkster

LOL!


27 posted on 03/04/2014 2:34:50 PM PST by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Moseley

We should have a bill called the: “Artists and Artisan Freedom of Choice Act”

As any baker making a cusomized cake is essentially an artist.

Could you force a ______ Sculptor to make to a sculpture of _______(offensive to person in first blank).?


28 posted on 03/04/2014 2:35:03 PM PST by GraceG
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To: DannyTN

[ The best solution I’ve seen, offered up by another Freeper, was to advertise that any profits from cakes made for gay weddings would be donated to gay conversion therapy services. ]

That is good thinking, too many people play checkers when they should be playing chess


29 posted on 03/04/2014 2:36:01 PM PST by GraceG
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To: freedomson

Promptly have any cake delivered to a laboratory and tested for those very things.

If present, then call a lawyer with one phone and the health department with another.


30 posted on 03/04/2014 2:39:20 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Moseley

I own a Bakery....

I bake cakes for all events, communions , christenings, weddings etc... Yes, there have been a few gay weddings....

There isn’t a “gay” only bakery that I know of... Nor a bakery that won’t convey a Christian message.

This is the most stupid idea I’ve heard yet....

Instead of focusing the attack on the law or culture, mount an almost ineffective attack on bakeries....

Geez....no wonder the liberals laugh at us....


31 posted on 03/04/2014 2:41:45 PM PST by nevergore
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To: Moseley

It is very simple. You have a stock photo of a gay wedding cake. And that is the only cake/product that you do for gay weddings. It isn’t as though bakeries produce anything and everything customers want. Even little children know that.


32 posted on 03/04/2014 2:43:51 PM PST by petitfour
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To: Moseley

bump


33 posted on 03/04/2014 2:44:37 PM PST by ReaganÜberAlles
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To: Gen.Blather

By nature also, conservatives do not deliberately go out of their way to turn something into a lawsuit. They will not seek out businesses they know to be opposed to their views. Hence this kind of thing is more of a surprise to them when it occurs, other than them targeting a business and then hoping for controversy they can turn into a lawsuit.


34 posted on 03/04/2014 2:50:38 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Prince of Space

If I consider Islam to be an abomination ... can I refuse to make a cake for some Islamic holiday?

(serious question)


35 posted on 03/04/2014 2:54:01 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Moseley

While I am sympathetic with the tone of the article, there is settled case law that basically states if you open your doors to the public, that means all the public. Not a property rights issue.


36 posted on 03/04/2014 3:03:13 PM PST by sauropod (Fat Bottomed Girl: "What difference, at this point, does it make?")
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To: Prince of Space
It’s not whether the customer is a sinner — which we ALL are — it’s that the Christian vendor is being asked to participate (or celebrate) in a wedding that they consider an abomination before God. Its akin to giving your friend money to get an abortion and driving her to the abortion clinic. Yeah, you didn’t actually perform the abortion, but you sure helped your friend acquire one.

The cake is not legally any part of the wedding, which will go on with or without the cake.

Performing the ceremony is all that directly has to do with the Bible. The rest is just arms-length commercial transactions with heathens and pagans. The clothing, the limo, the rented chairs, etc.

That being said, anyone should have a right to refuse to do business with anyone else, i.e., freedom of contract. A contract, I was always taught, is not legally binding unless both parties freely enter into the contract. One or the other can't be coerced, etc., or it's not legally binding. But today the law does not seem to matter much to government; they do as they will.

Whatever the baker does, the degenerates will do what they will do. They are heading towards destruction.

The key point is that sodomy is legal AT ALL. If it was not, this would be a non-issue.

When sodomy was legalized - decades ago - this battle was lost.
37 posted on 03/04/2014 3:10:15 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: freedomson

I was just going to say I wouldn’t eat the cake. I’d throw it away as soon as I got it out of the bakery. I would order it just to fight fire with fire.


38 posted on 03/04/2014 3:20:52 PM PST by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

“another example would be to bake a birthday cake for a divorced parent.”

In your world, should a divorced parent never get another birthday cake?


39 posted on 03/04/2014 3:57:04 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: nevergore

Personally, I don’t care if liberals laugh at us. Besides, I have a feeling we spend a lot more time laughing at them, than the other way around.


40 posted on 03/04/2014 4:08:17 PM PST by beandog (All Aboard the Choo Choo Train to Crazy Town)
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To: sauropod
While I am sympathetic with the tone of the article, there is settled case law that basically states if you open your doors to the public, that means all the public

No, that is incorrect. That is what the news media is trying to tell you these days.

But the principle you state only applies to ESSENTIAL SERVICES -- a "public accommodation."

Not all businesses are essential services, like buses, trains, inns (from when they were rare, not plentiful).
41 posted on 03/04/2014 4:08:42 PM PST by Moseley (http://www.MoseleyComments.com)
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Believe the answer was read at this site. Have a couple of Lesbians go into a muslim barber and ask for a hair cut. That should bring things into perspective. It might be a bit spooky....pointed, sharp objects in the hands of extremists but it might be the solution.


42 posted on 03/04/2014 4:11:09 PM PST by V K Lee
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To: TexasFreeper2009
If I consider Islam to be an abomination ... can I refuse to make a cake for some Islamic holiday? (serious question)

No, absolutely you may NOT refuse -- under the approach now being pushed by liberals. Traditionally, yes. But not according to their arguments. You are not free to disrespect Islam.

Only Jesus Christ can be disrespected.
43 posted on 03/04/2014 4:11:21 PM PST by Moseley (http://www.MoseleyComments.com)
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To: PieterCasparzen
anyone should have a right to refuse to do business with anyone else, i.e., freedom of contract. A contract, I was always taught, is not legally binding unless both parties freely enter into the contract. One or the other can't be coerced, etc., or it's not legally binding. But today the law does not seem to matter much to government; they do as they will.

^^^THIS^^^

44 posted on 03/04/2014 4:14:27 PM PST by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1!)
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To: nevergore
I own a Bakery.... There isn’t a “gay” only bakery that I know of... Nor a bakery that won’t convey a Christian message.

The proposal does not involve a Gay ONLY bakery. That isn't what my article says.

The proposal is for a gay-wedding-FRIENDLY bakery -- that is they are advertising such -- or any liberal-run bakery.

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Instead of focusing the attack on the law or culture, mount an almost ineffective attack on bakeries....

No. First, it is by no means an attack on bakeries. Most bakeries will cheerfully make a Second Amendment cake or Global Warming is a Hoax Cake or Children need a mother and a father cake.

The only bakeries affected are those run by doctrinaire liberals who are so off the charts that they will refuse to bake a cake with a scripture on it.

Remember: This is a holy war by liberals to reshape society. Liberals are not going to tolerate cakes with scriptures on them "You must be born again."

This is not about gays. This is about liberals fundamentally transforming society.

Second, you missed the main point of the article. As soon as you require liberals to make conservative cakes, they will drop the entire project faster than you can say "What happened?"

The entire issue will vanish as soon as they realize that the same rule will be applied to them.

So this IS focusing the attack on the law and the culture.
45 posted on 03/04/2014 4:18:14 PM PST by Moseley (http://www.MoseleyComments.com)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
do these same bakers ... refuse to bake cakes for hetrosexual couples living together? I am just curious if they take a consistent moral stand or only one in the case of this particular sin.

I don't care. That's the particular conscience of said bakers to concern themselves with. What I care about is that one person decides he/she doesn't want to supply someone else the use of his talent -- for WHATever reason. Why on earth should the government step in and FORCE him to do that?

Rush Limbaugh had Elton John sing at his wedding. If Sir Elton had refused to sign a contract because he disagreed with Rush politically -- is it ok for a government entity to force him?

46 posted on 03/04/2014 4:20:28 PM PST by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1!)
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To: henkster

How about starting the ceremony by a statement of support for traditional marriage? I think it would be interesting if a gay couple went into a Christian-owned bakery and the owner sat them down and explained all the reasons why s/he object to their wedding. And then at the end of it agree to make the cake. At that point, I seriously doubt the gay couple would want to go forward.


47 posted on 03/04/2014 4:22:23 PM PST by CityCenter (Resist Obamacare!)
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To: Moseley

Wouldn’t work. They wouldn’t support, the people trying would be labeled as bigots or worse, and the courts would back them up.

Note that two music groups cancelled contracts with the Boy scouts, deciding they didn’t like the BSA gay stance, and nobody went to court to FORCE them to provide services without regard to political viewpoint.


48 posted on 03/04/2014 4:23:47 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Why would heterosexual couples living together need a wedding cake? And if they ordered, who would know that they were just living together?

It's not the fact that they're making a cake for a gay client. It's that they'd have to participate in the gay "nuptials" that they find objectionable.

49 posted on 03/04/2014 4:45:38 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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"Remember: This is a holy war by liberals to reshape society. Liberals are not going to tolerate cakes with scriptures on them "You must be born again." This statement illustrates the fundamental flaw in logic....The liberals aren't concerned with a religious message as long as their message is pushed....
50 posted on 03/04/2014 5:21:57 PM PST by nevergore
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