Posted on 03/04/2014 1:57:46 PM PST by Moseley
For example, order a sheet cake for church or an event (maybe a party) with Christian messages or scriptures such as “Children need a mother and a father” or “Marriage is one man and one woman.” Or: John 3:3 “You must be born again” or “Jesus is Lord.”
Or order a sheet cake with conservative messages or candidates, like “Ted Cruz / Sarah Palin 2016.” Or “The Second Amendment: It’s the Law.” Or “Global Warming Hoax R.I.P.” Or “Happy Birthday Tea Party.”
(3) When a baker refuses to do the job or photographer refuses to cover a conservative or Christian event (or intentionally screws it up), file exactly the same type of lawsuit as homosexual activists. And of course tell the press, mostly the conservative media and talk radio.
The root problem here is a “public accommodation.” Back in the era of Jim Crow laws and the civil rights movement trying to end discrimination, there was a serious problem. Blacks traveling might enter a town and find that no one would rent them a motel room. They might have nowhere to stay at all. Blacks might not be able to find any restaurant where they could eat.
So the idea of a “public accommodation” – essential service – became important. How do you balance the right of a private business to do whatever he or she wants with their property (their business) and the rights of individuals? The only justification for telling a business whom they have to serve is when people have nowhere to go at all for essential services under discrimination.
That is what a “public accommodation” means – a hotel, a bus line, a taxicab, a restaurant. Civil rights laws guarantee essential services that are so fundamental that a person cannot reasonably survive and live if minorities are denied service.
But the vast majority of businesses are not “public accommodations.” If one photographer doesn’t feel like working with you, there are plenty of others. If one gift shop won’t sell you a snow globe, you’ll live.
I suggest the KKK try to run some ads in Vibe magazine!
lol
but seriously, here is what I want to know... do these same bakers ... refuse to bake cakes for hetrosexual couples living together? I am just curious if they take a consistent moral stand or only one in the case of this particular sin.
another example would be to bake a birthday cake for a divorced parent.
I can think of TONS of situations where someone might have to deal with someone on a business basis that is engaged is some sort of sinful behavior.
This is something that only goes one way. A conservative can be denied service all day long and nothing will happen. No lawsuit will make it past the first hearing. Nobody will cover the story. It’s foolish to think that anything used by gays will work the other way. There aren’t just double standards, the standards pass through alternate dimensions even.
Going down to Ben and Jerry’s today and have them print out my tagline on one of their ice cream cakes.
I am authorized to perform civil weddings in Indiana. If Indiana law ever recognizes same-sex “marriages” I will probably legally be under a duty to perform the ceremony. But there is no statutory set “dialog” for performing the ceremony. My ceremony may start with “OK, which one of you is the pitcher and which one is the catcher?”
And it will probably go downhill from there.
I may be obligated to perform a wedding. Nobody said it had to be a good one.
All you’re gonna end up with is a cake full of fecal matter and urine because, conservatives aren’t human.
It's not a case of refusing to bake cakes in general for gay people or even for gay couples. These religious individuals refuse to bake cakes celebrating gay "marriage". That is a much narrower distinction, one that makes their refusal clearly an issue of religious expression. The analogous refusal for heterosexual couples living together would be refusing to bake a cake for a real marriage, and that is a choice that these bakers would presumably celebrate. I don't see any hypocrisy there.
That's actually kind of irrelevant. No one is talking about bakers refusing to bake cakes for homosexuals (well, the media is, but it's misleading). The issue is, rather, bakers refusing to bake cakes for homosexual "weddings". So, your analogy would have to be a heterosexual couple asking for a cake for an event that somehow celebrates their living together -- not something that's likely to come up very often....
When liberals discriminate, it’s called “freedom of choice”. When conservatives do it, it’s “discrimination”.
IIRC...they said they would bake the gay couple any other kind of cake for any other occasion they wanted. But they would not endorse a gay marriage by providing the Wedding Cake
what would happen if the Christian baker agrees to bake a basic white cake, but refuses to place the two women or two men cake topper at the top or make the rainbow style cakes? can they be sued? why not just say, I don’t think I can make rainbow flavored cakes with too many colors because I’ve never done that before and leave it at that?
Most people don’t order cakes saying, “Yay! We’re living together!” They only order cakes when they’re actually getting married. And if they lived together prior to the wedding, the Christian baker usually wouldn’t have any way of knowing that.
The best solution I’ve seen, offered up by another Freeper, was to advertise that any profits from cakes made for gay weddings would be donated to gay conversion therapy services.
The best solution I’ve seen, offered up by another Freeper, was to advertise that any profits from cakes made for gay weddings would be donated to gay conversion therapy services.
It’s not whether the customer is a sinner — which we ALL are — it’s that the Christian vendor is being asked to participate (or celebrate) in a wedding that they consider an abomination before God. Its akin to giving your friend money to get an abortion and driving her to the abortion clinic. Yeah, you didn’t actually perform the abortion, but you sure helped your friend acquire one.
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