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German Homeschoolers, Romeike Family, Will Not Be Deported, DHS Says
Christian Post ^ | 03/04/2014 | Napp Nazworth

Posted on 03/04/2014 2:15:11 PM PST by SeekAndFind

The Department of Homeland Security has granted a special status to the Romeikes, a German homeschooling family that was under threat of being deported after being denied a Supreme Court review Monday, that will allow them to stay in the United States.

DHS has granted them "indefinite deferred status," according to a Home School Legal Defense Association press release.

The Romeikes were initially granted asylum in the United States after they were threatened with jail time and losing custody of their children for choosing to homeschool. The Obama administration, though, appealed that decision and won, arguing that there is no fundamental right to determine the education of one's children.

HSLDA, which represents the Romeikes, had exhausted its court efforts when the Supreme Court declined to hear its appeal.

"This is an incredible victory that I can only credit to Almighty God. I also want to thank those who spoke up on this issue — including that long ago White House petition. We believe that the public outcry made a huge impact. What an amazing turnaround — in just 24 hours," Michael Farris, chairman of the Home School Legal Defense Association, said Tuesday.

According to HSLDA, Fox News recorded the highest number of page views ever for its website, one million in 24 hours, for its article reporting that the Supreme Court declined to hear the case.

"We are happy to have indefinite status even though we won't be able to get American citizenship any time soon," Uwe Romeike, the father, said. "As long as we can live at peace here, we are happy. We have always been ready to go wherever the Lord would lead us — and I know my citizenship isn't really on earth.

"This has always been about our children. I wouldn't have minded staying in Germany if the mistreatment targeted only me — but our whole family was targeted when German authorities would not tolerate our decision to teach our children — that is what brought us here."

Farris added that he was determined that the Romeikes would never have to return to Germany.

"When we lost at the Sixth Circuit, I told Uwe that he would go back to Germany over my dead body," he said. "I'm glad that wasn't necessary! This is a courageous family and one that deserves to stay here. They are modern day Pilgrims."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: germany; homeschool; romeike; seebreakingnews

THE ROMEIKE FAMILY
1 posted on 03/04/2014 2:15:11 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

That means the Romeike family, who claim the German government is persecuting them because they want to raise their children in accordance with their Christian beliefs, and not through the German public school system, can stay in the United States without the threat of being forced return to their home country.


2 posted on 03/04/2014 2:16:33 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

This might have something to do with it as well...

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/03/04/christians-vow-civil-disobedience-if-home-school-family-is-deported/

EXCERPT:

Christians in an east Tennessee community are vowing to engage in civil disobedience if the Obama administration initiates deportation proceedings against a Southern Baptist family from Germany who sought asylum in the United States so that they could home school their children.

“It may require civil disobedience with this bunch,” said Rep. Phil Roe (R-Tenn.), who represents the congressional district where the Romeike family lives.


3 posted on 03/04/2014 2:17:54 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I think it has more to do with medical issues. Mrs. Romeike looks to be about ready to drop a baby any day now. A good doctor would say that she cannot travel because that would endanger her and her baby. The baby will be born here. The baby will be an American citizen. But I am guessing.


4 posted on 03/04/2014 2:22:37 PM PST by petitfour
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To: SeekAndFind
The Romeikes were initially granted asylum in the United States after they were threatened with jail time and losing custody of their children for choosing to homeschool. The Obama administration, though, appealed that decision and won, arguing that there is no fundamental right to determine the education of one's children.

Apparently they have this court ruling down on the books now.

5 posted on 03/04/2014 2:24:01 PM PST by virgil
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To: SeekAndFind

Great news for this family!

We need more like them to come to America and less like Piers Morgan.


6 posted on 03/04/2014 2:24:59 PM PST by Howie66 (John Wayne McCornyn...he's just like US! Honest!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Sorry, but I’m still skeptical.

There will be conditions, one of them probably being that the Romeike family children will have to attend government indoctrination centers.


7 posted on 03/04/2014 2:28:01 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

RE: There will be conditions, one of them probably being that the Romeike family children will have to attend government indoctrination centers.

Homeschooling is PREVALENT in the USA. There are MILLIONS of children being homeschooled even as we speak.

I have also met college students who have been homeschooled ( all of them DOING GREAT in college ).

Several National Spelling Bee finalists are homeschooled kids. SEE HERE:

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=130988

To make a long story short -— IT IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT YOUR FEARS WILL BE REALIZED.


8 posted on 03/04/2014 2:41:04 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind; Alamo-Girl; spirited irish; metmom; TXnMA
The Obama administration, though, appealed that decision and won, arguing that there is no fundamental right to determine the education of one's children.

Well, that doesn't seem to be working, at least at this point. It seems there must be at least one SANE person left at the DHS.

Praise the Lord!!!

No fundamental right to determine the education of one's own children??? When did parents become superfluous in the upbringing, nurture, and education of their own children?

Or does the Obama [In]Justice Department think that these kids are all "test-tube babies," sans parents (except for their contributions of egg and sperm at far distance remove), such that the State is their real Mommy and Daddy?

Maybe the Obama [In]Justice Department would prefer children to come into the world that way....

These Obamamaniacs are sick, sick, sick. They appear to deny actual Reality at every turn. They appear to think that "thinking about the world" in a "new way" can somehow magically, fundamentally transform the very structure of Reality.

I'm simply disgusted that the Supreme Court denied their appeal. Rather than respect and uphold the most fundamental principles of our nation, it turns out they prefer to further enable the social policies of the most unprincipled and malignant administration in the history of the United States of America.

May God ever bless the Romeike Family!

9 posted on 03/04/2014 2:44:50 PM PST by betty boop (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. —Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SeekAndFind

Good news! Wish them well. It should never have been an issue whether they could stay here.


10 posted on 03/04/2014 2:55:11 PM PST by catbertz
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To: SeekAndFind

All your child are belong to us now.


11 posted on 03/04/2014 2:56:34 PM PST by Hugin
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To: SeekAndFind
The Obama administration, though, appealed that decision and won, arguing that there is no fundamental right to determine the education of one's children.

I believe this is what the Obama administration was REALLY after. It had nothing to do with this family but as a tip of the spear to begin dismantling our right to homeschool.
12 posted on 03/04/2014 2:59:16 PM PST by ChocChipCookie ("Demons run when a good man goes to war.")
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To: SeekAndFind
"...are vowing to engage in civil disobedience..."

There's a lot of that going around these days.
Maybe we've had just about enough......

13 posted on 03/04/2014 3:01:58 PM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: SeekAndFind

Thank God. But we still have a fight to engage in. The goal of the region me was not to get them, but to undermine the legal freedom to homeschooling. We must continue to press the issue. All the best to this family.


14 posted on 03/04/2014 3:07:11 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: SeekAndFind

Good! They represent a fine addition to our country. Additionally, they are a handsome family.


15 posted on 03/04/2014 3:10:50 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: virgil
Apparently they have this court ruling down on the books now.

Exactly!

Oskar Schindler: Power is when we have every justification to kill, and we don't...

16 posted on 03/04/2014 3:20:34 PM PST by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

They are certainly an improvement over the uneducated, non-assimilating people who spill across our border on a regular basis.


17 posted on 03/04/2014 4:03:16 PM PST by OldPossum ("It's" is the contraction of "it" and "is"; think about ITS implications.)
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To: Theophilus

It’s probably what they were really after.


18 posted on 03/04/2014 4:18:53 PM PST by virgil
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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl; metmom; TXnMA; YHAOS
The Obama administration argued against the fundamental rights of parents because in their eyes "we the people" are not persons endowed by our Creator with unalienable rights but rather humanoids in process of evolution.

This way of thinking led to the brutal murder of in excess of 160,000,000 depersonalized men, women, and children in the Soviet Union and Hitler's Socialist Germany. As the authors of the Black Book of Communism ably demonstrate, the evolutionary way of thinking characterized both regimes.

Daniel Dennett is representative of this way of thinking. He enthusiastically embraces Darwin’s evolutionary theory because it supposedly provides an explanation for the emergence of life from non-life bearing chemicals, thereby negating the necessity of the living, supernatural God. Hence Dennett’s insistence that there is no soul/spirit associated with man or any supernatural God or life after death. Thus the central concern of Dennett’s career has been to explain how,

“….meaning, function and purpose can come to exist in a world that is intrinsically meaningless and functionless.” (The Spiritual Brain, Beauregard & O’Leary, p. 2)

Evolutionary conceptions in general and evolutionary biology in particular reject the Genesis account ex nihilo together with Original Sin and the fall and teach instead an inverted exegesis positing that man comes up from lower creatures. This upside-down view leads to a philosophy of moral relativism (subjectivism) because if men were once something else, a genderless blob of matter and then later on lizards and even later still some kind of ape-like creature, then not only are we going to become something else–maybe a divine superman, god-man, or super robot—-but nothing can be said about transgender, ‘gay,’ and lesbianism since all life forms ascended from a genderless blob of matter that spontaneously generated itself from nothing.

With regard to soul/spirit, if man evolved from non-living, genderless matter or energy and lower life-forms, then his rational nature, his soul, differs not qualitatively but only quantitatively from the beasts. Like beasts, man is not a person but a creature of the earth. Like them he has no spirit—--free will, higher mental faculties, and conscience. He is a fleshy robot or hominid whose brain is organized by the genome and the genome shaped by natural selection.

Worse, as all naturalist conceptions are equally God-less, none have an ultimate source for life, consciousness, soul, and personhood, hence all are merely different expressions of anti-human nihilism which makes man equal to or lower than the nonhuman, thereby allowing for all manner of crimes against humanity, especially the weakest, hated, envied, despised and inconvenient.

Evolutionism is the antithesis of the Genesis account of creation ex nihilo which reveals that man is a person because created in the spiritual image of the One God in three Persons. Man was created directly by God with a superhuman intelligence and original nature from which Adam, hence all of us, fell away and to which we are called back.

Vishal Mangalwadi, India's foremost Christian scholar observes that the unique concept of man as God's spiritual image-bearer gave birth to the "belief in the unique dignity of human beings," and this is,

"...the force that created Western civilization, where citizens do not exist for the state but the state exists for the individuals. Even kings, presidents, prime ministers, and army generals cannot be allowed to trample upon an individual and his or her rights." (Truth and Transformation: A Manifesto for Ailing Nations, pp. 12-13)

In affirmation, the brilliant French economist, statesman and author Frederic Bastiat said man is God's spiritual image-bearer, and this is the gift from God which includes the physical, intellectual and moral life:

"He has provided us with a collection of marvelous faculties. And He has put us in the midst of a variety of natural resources. By application of our faculties to these natural resources we convert them into products, and use them. Life, faculties, production — in other words, individuality, liberty, property — this is man (and) these three gifts from God precede all human legislation, and are superior to it. Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place." (How Evil Works, David Kupelian, p. 8)

John 1:3 identifies our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, the second Person of the Holy Trinity as the Creator:

“All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.” “He was in the world, and the world was made by him” (v. 10). “The Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us” (v. 14).

Jesus Christ is the Creator. Foremost of His miracles is creation out of nothing—six instantaneous acts or days of creation rather than the billions of years of evolutionary process as the wisdom of fallen man holds.

The conflict between evolutionary biology and the Genesis account ex nihilo is the single most critical issue today. Among crucial issues is the answer to the question, ‘what is man?’ The answers provided by evolutionary biology and natural scientism are entirely opposed to the answer provided by the Genesis account. If the winner is evolutionary biology, then heaven help us!

19 posted on 03/04/2014 4:45:59 PM PST by spirited irish
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To: SeekAndFind; betty boop

Yes, PRAISE THE LORD for His miracle of working all things together for good for this Christian family—
and may they be able to stay as long as they’d like and continue to fulfill their God-given responsibilities according to His will.


20 posted on 03/04/2014 4:56:52 PM PST by TurkeyLurkey
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To: spirited irish; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
"... Foremost of His miracles is creation out of nothing—six instantaneous acts or days of creation rather than the billions of years of evolutionary process as the wisdom of fallen man holds."

'Pears that my presentation/video is liable to make someone's head explode... :-(

21 posted on 03/04/2014 4:57:14 PM PST by TXnMA (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! REPEAT San Jacinto!!!)
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To: ChocChipCookie; wintertime; metmom
The Obama administration, though, appealed that decision and won, arguing that there is no fundamental right to determine the education of one's children.

I believe this is what the Obama administration was REALLY after. It had nothing to do with this family but as a tip of the spear to begin dismantling our right to homeschool.

Pinging you to ChocChip's comment. Sounds ominous and very likely accurate.

22 posted on 03/04/2014 5:33:05 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: betty boop

Indeed, dearest sister in Christ, and I join in your prayer for the Romeike family!


23 posted on 03/04/2014 8:31:44 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: TXnMA
My head won't explode :-) Besides, rule #5, p. 2, paragraph 3, section 1A expressly states: Exploding heads are to be kept leashed at all times. Humor aside, my stance is with Tolkien and CS Lewis.

Tolkien was a very strong Christian and in his wonderfully written "Silmarillion," the Old Testament to the New Testament of the Lord of the Rings trilogy, the opening chapters parallel the first book of Genesis creation ex nihilo.

In Tolkien's universe Illuvatar is the personal Divine Creator who sings the universe into existence from nothing. Here is the opening paragraph:

"There was Eru, the One, who in Arda is called Illuvatar; and he made first the Ainur, the Holy Ones, that were the offspring of his thought, and they were with him before aught else was made. And he spoke to them, propounding to them themes of music; and they sang before him, and he was glad...."

The themes of music became the world's creation. Illuvatar transformed the music into material reality.

As you probably know, Lewis credits Tolkien among others, with bringing him to Jesus Christ. During the years of his walk Lewis rethought everything he previously held as true. By the time he wrote the Narnia Chronicles Lewis embraced the literal and historical elements of Scripture beginning with Genesis. In the second book of the Chronicles, "The Magician's Nephew," Lewis beautifully illustrates the creation of Narnia from nothing as Aslan, his Christ figure, sings it into existence. As Aslan sings, all life forms arise fully formed, each after its own kind.

24 posted on 03/05/2014 4:33:20 PM PST by spirited irish
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To: spirited irish; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
"My head won't explode :-) "

LOL!! Love your humor, Sister in Christ!

I, too am a Tolkien and Lewis fan -- but, I find that Scripture alone (bolstered by insight from the Holy Spirit) suffices to convince me of the truth of ex nihilo creation.

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I feel that our differences may be rooted in interpretation of the timing of creation.

In fact, I'm amazed that Alamo-Girl and betty boop have not already convinced you that an understanding of relativistic time can free you from a dogmatic, "It took exactly this long" position to the soul-freeing -- and God-exalting -- position that we share:

1) From our Creator's Heavenly viewpoint, ('looking' "forward" in time, at His expanding universe) creation took six of His "workdays".

2) From our viewpoint ('looking' "backward" in time -- from a moving position within that expanding universe), we see some thirteen + billion elapsed "years" -- measured by the annual orbital time of our planet around our sun -- of elapsed time.

Both interpretations are correct -- and worshipful.

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As far as I can discern, none of the above is in the least disrespectful of our Creator, His awesome creation, or of Scripture.

Furthermore, being freed from the "either/or" false dichotomy promulgated by those who can (or will) see only one side of the timing issue, I find myself liberated to truly worship, adore and admire the incomprehensible majesty of our God! -- through the evidence of His mighty works of Creation!

Now, every time a new bit of evidence of His intricate, planned creation is revealed to me, I rejoice in praise and adulation! Every time I read His Word, my heart leaps with joy and new comprehension! And every time I am confronted by the Amazing Grace of our Saviour's loving sacrifice and His promise of eternity, my eyes fill with tears of profound gratitude!

And the God I now worship is immeasurably more magnificent and grand than my pitiful concept of Him when what I had been taught by men kept my concept of Him "squashed" within a "box" built of human egotism, misinterpretation and 'tradition'...

A wise, God-inspired Sister in Christ says it well:

"Man is not the measure of God."


P.S. A-G & bb: I realize that I have not maintained the relativistic rigor of spatiotemporal "reference frames" herein -- but, in the interest of communication, I believe I have adhered to the principles...

25 posted on 03/05/2014 8:11:41 PM PST by TXnMA (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! REPEAT San Jacinto!!!)
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To: TXnMA
Amen!!! Praise God!!!

Thank you for your testimony, dear brother in Christ, and yes "workdays" makes the point just fine.

If anyone wants more detail, we'll be happy to provide it.

26 posted on 03/05/2014 8:44:41 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

I’m still trying to find words to suitably contrast the viewpoint / reference frame of our God who is Eternal, Unchanging, Constant, Omniptent, and Omniscient — with that of temporal, temporary, created humankind — riding on a platform that is hurtling through many axes of space, with nothing constant — except the love and nature of our Creator...


27 posted on 03/05/2014 8:54:06 PM PST by TXnMA (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! REPEAT San Jacinto!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Why in the world would the U.S. want to keep a beautiful, intelligent, law-abding family like that -- when they can get hordes of ignorant, illegal, illiterate semi-savages from the third world? </SARCASM>
28 posted on 03/05/2014 9:01:20 PM PST by TXnMA (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! REPEAT San Jacinto!!!)
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To: TXnMA; SeekAndFind; Alamo-Girl; spirited irish; metmom
'Pears that my presentation/video is liable to make someone's head explode... :-(

Well maybe; but we can go here for a primar: SeekandFind's recently posted article.

Boil it all down, the mystery of a six-day vs. a ~14 billion-year-old creation consists of our lack of understanding of TIME, or more specifically, relativistic time. We were starting to deal with that issue on another thread recently, but that thread got all bollixed up in a sidebar commandeered by a correspondent who shall be nameless, who asserted that that Martin Luther and Adolph Hitler were bosom buddies. Which utterly blew up the thread. Sigh.

Having had a "sneak peek" at your presentation/video, and finding it strikingly thought-provocative, I'm waiting with baited breath for you to post it here at FR.

But no rush, dear brother. Take your time. I feel sure that it would receive a good welcome here in due course, and would prove to be a highly educational experience.

29 posted on 03/05/2014 9:05:50 PM PST by betty boop (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. —Thomas Jefferson)
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To: TXnMA; betty boop; spirited irish
I think you are doing great, dear brother in Christ! The simpler the terms the better until you can bring the reader along with your graphics and then you can build up to new words or concepts frame by frame, if you care to.

Indeed, we mere mortals frequently cannot wrap our minds around the most basic proportions in the physical universe much less as if standing outside of it looking in.

I've been known to use the following to make that point:

A fly in your car is going 5 mph. That is his speed from his perspective as the observer. But your car in speeding down the road at 65 mph. So for the guy watching you from the roadside table, that fly is going 70 mph.

But the road you have taken is on the equator and the circumference of the earth at the equator is 24,901.55 miles and the earth rotates once every 24 hours. So that fly is now going 1,100 mph + 70 mph = 1,170 mph.

Moreover, the orbital length of earth traveling around the sun is 149,600,000 miles, traveled in 365.25 days. That is 67,000 miles per hour. So add that in, and the fly is going 68,170 mph. The sun orbits the Milky Way galaxy at a speed of 486,000 miles per hour. Add that in, and the fly is now going 554,170 miles per hour.

All of this and we haven’t gotten to the accelerating expansion of the universe, i.e. space/time itself.

A galaxy 1 million light years away would seem to be moving away from us at a rate of 60,000 miles per hour. For every 3.26 million light years further out that we look, the galaxies seem to be moving away from us at an additional 162,000 miles per hour In sum, the universe is currently at least 156 billion light years wide.

And that is from the fly’s perspective. If we go in the other direction as "observer" – the quantum – the cumulative velocities are even more mind-boggling.

God's Name is I AM.

30 posted on 03/05/2014 9:14:06 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop
Boil it all down, the mystery of a six-day vs. a ~14 billion-year-old creation consists of our lack of understanding of TIME, or more specifically, relativistic time.

So very true, dearest sister in Christ!

Sorry to hear another thread was thrown into a tailspin. Sigh...

31 posted on 03/05/2014 9:19:16 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl; spirited irish
Thank you, Dear Sister in Christ, for that link. I certainly will review the article and the comments that pertain to it.

At the expense of drastically splitting up our discussion, on first glance it would appear that thread is more on-topic for this current subject than the present one...

That is the huge weakness of FR: good discussions somehow manage to emerge from the rants of the psychotic and uninterested - but they are all-too-soon dropped, and folks jump to ...

SQUIRREL!!!


32 posted on 03/05/2014 9:33:44 PM PST by TXnMA (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! REPEAT San Jacinto!!!)
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To: TXnMA

LOLOL!


33 posted on 03/05/2014 9:49:16 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

I love the analogy.

I’m going to abscond with it.


34 posted on 03/06/2014 4:18:28 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: metmom

Thank you for your encouragement, dear sister in Christ!


35 posted on 03/06/2014 7:27:09 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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i love good news like this,


36 posted on 03/07/2014 3:00:54 AM PST by The Right wing Infidel
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