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The New USA? Secession Movement Gains Steam
cbn.com ^ | March 4, 2014 | David Brody

Posted on 03/04/2014 4:42:07 PM PST by ilovesarah2012

GREELEY, Colo. -- If you mention the word "secession" most people think of the South during the Civil War. But today, a new movement is gaining steam because of frustration over a growing, out-of-control federal government.

A number of conservative, rural Americans are taking about seceding and creating their own states, meaning a new map of the United States of America could include the following:

A 51st state called Jefferson, made up of Northern California and Southern Oregon A new state called Western Maryland A new state called North Colorado These are real movements gaining traction with voters across the country. Jeffrey Hare runs the 51st State Initiative in Colorado, an effort to fight an out-of-control legislature trying to ram big government policies down the throats of voters.

"We're at this point of irreconcilable differences," Hare told CBN News.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbn.com ...


TOPICS: Government; US: California; US: Colorado; US: Maryland; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: california; colorado; maryland; oregon; secession
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1 posted on 03/04/2014 4:42:07 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

How about State of Franklin in east Tennessee?


2 posted on 03/04/2014 4:43:46 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Give me 36 hours, and I am there.


3 posted on 03/04/2014 4:43:53 PM PST by ConservativeStatement ("World Peace 1.20.09.")
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To: ilovesarah2012

Secession is a defensive reaction.


4 posted on 03/04/2014 4:44:04 PM PST by VRW Conspirator ( 2+2 = V)
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To: ilovesarah2012

If the new “states” have the same amount of authority and autonomy as the present set, it doesn’t matter how many there are—or even who is elected to lead them. All power resides in the federal courts right now. ALL power.


5 posted on 03/04/2014 4:44:41 PM PST by madprof98
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To: VRW Conspirator

>>Secession is a defensive reaction.

Secession is more humane than the only other solution to getting the whole USA back on track.


6 posted on 03/04/2014 4:45:45 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Bryanw92

>>Secession is a defensive reaction.

Ignore my last post. I thought this was about real secession and not just creating more states. I should have read the article first.


7 posted on 03/04/2014 4:47:35 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Think Czech and Slovak, not North and South


8 posted on 03/04/2014 4:48:21 PM PST by GraceG
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To: ilovesarah2012

Here in mexifornia, I think the ballot to have CA be split into 2 has begun, state of Jefferson is what it’s called.


9 posted on 03/04/2014 4:48:44 PM PST by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Bryanw92

[ >>Secession is a defensive reaction.

Secession is more humane than the only other solution to getting the whole USA back on track. ]

Article V, but the time window for that is slowly closing and you are right then succession may be the ONLY way out...


10 posted on 03/04/2014 4:49:18 PM PST by GraceG
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To: Bryanw92
Secession is more humane than the only other solution to getting the whole USA back on track.

And so, a state divides, yet 5, 10, 20, 50 years you have the same situation. Now what?

11 posted on 03/04/2014 4:50:31 PM PST by VRW Conspirator ( 2+2 = V)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Plan To Split California Into Six States Gets OK To Gather Signatures
CBS Local (San Francisco) | February 19, 2014 10:23 AM | Secretary of State Debra Bowen
Posted on 2/20/2014 1:57:21 PM by Texas Fossil
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3125144/posts

GREAT IDEA! California will get ten more US Senators, (at least) five more Representatives, and at least 15 more votes in the Electoral College! Maybe New York and other big blue states should consider this!


12 posted on 03/04/2014 4:51:46 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: ilovesarah2012
Secession is a temporary defensive solution, the USA will eventually re-absorb those news states.

The war must be won in the states we have now.

13 posted on 03/04/2014 4:54:22 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Impy; Perdogg; Clintonfatigued; NFHale; fieldmarshaldj; KC_Lion; sickoflibs
Secession is more humane than the only other solution to getting the whole USA back on track.

Einsatzgruppen. Looks like the mentality is spreading. It IS the only other solution.

14 posted on 03/04/2014 4:55:17 PM PST by GOPsterinMA (You're a very weird person, Yossarian.)
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To: who knows what evil?

Wasn’t Davey Crockett born there?


15 posted on 03/04/2014 4:56:45 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: madprof98

Don’t forget to mention Regulatory agencies like HHS and EPA.


16 posted on 03/04/2014 4:59:03 PM PST by griswold3 (Post-Christian America is living on borrowed moral heritage)
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To: madprof98

true — but these new states are likely to elect pro-American senators.

the confirmation of Bolshevik judges will be harder for the statists to accomplish.


17 posted on 03/04/2014 4:59:14 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Bryanw92

I think a peaceful split if preferable. However, I don’t think it’s a good idea to do it piecemeal. We just need to be two separate countries, maybe three. I have no desire to live under liberals’ rules and I know I am not alone. North, South, maybe West. Something will happen eventually.


18 posted on 03/04/2014 5:00:08 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012
But today, a new movement is gaining steam because of frustration over a growing, out-of-control federal government.

Same situation as in 1861.

"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government."

-- Thomas Jefferson


19 posted on 03/04/2014 5:00:25 PM PST by Iron Munro (Albert Einstein: The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: GOPsterinMA

“Einsatzgruppen. Looks like the mentality is spreading. It IS the only other solution.”

They were murder squads. The lowest of the low. Utterly reprehensible.


20 posted on 03/04/2014 5:12:19 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Don’t forget the state of Lincoln. It has been discussed for years to have Northern Idaho, Eastern Washington, and Western Montana succeed from their current states and form a new state. Each of those regions have felt slighted in the past by the more populated areas of their current states. I’m sure room could be made for Eastern Oregon if they’d like to join.


21 posted on 03/04/2014 5:12:36 PM PST by CommerceComet (Ignore the GOP-e. Cruz to victory in 2016.)
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To: Bryanw92

I prefer a purge.

All states north and east and including New York should be purged from the United States. They are Neo europa and are not really American. There are many conservatives there but the purge will give them the motivation to move to escape the hoards of Neo European trash that will want to move north


22 posted on 03/04/2014 5:12:39 PM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: ilovesarah2012

The fundamental problem with new states is that we conservatives will never get along. We are constantly fussing and arguing. Libs are natural slaves so they suppress any original thoughts, agree about everything, and comply. FR is a microcosm of a new state.


23 posted on 03/04/2014 5:13:45 PM PST by ottbmare (the OTTB mare, now a proud Marine Mom)
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To: ought-six

Yep. And the destroyers of this country deserve to be treated with the same manner the Einsatzgruppen dispatched.


24 posted on 03/04/2014 5:14:59 PM PST by GOPsterinMA (You're a very weird person, Yossarian.)
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To: ottbmare

Can’t imagine anything much worse than what we have now. And it will only get worse.


25 posted on 03/04/2014 5:15:24 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: VRW Conspirator

nobody’s considerting any offense reactions, it may work better.


26 posted on 03/04/2014 5:21:43 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: max americana

A few weeks ago on this website, it was posted that California will be voting to break up the state into seven separate states, because it has gotten too big.


27 posted on 03/04/2014 5:23:59 PM PST by Vinylly
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To: GraceG

“Think Czech and Slovak, not North and South”

For what possible reason?


28 posted on 03/04/2014 5:28:19 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: skeeter

“Secession is a temporary defensive solution, the USA will eventually re-absorb those news states.
The war must be won in the states we have now.

Agreed. Secession is only a temporary measure.


29 posted on 03/04/2014 5:28:57 PM PST by CodeToad (Keeping whites from talking about blacks is verbal segregation!)
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To: ilovesarah2012
I just signed the petition to split up California today.

We need to do this all over the country. We need to get libtards geographically concentrated along the coasts. Then we kick them out of the United States. There is no other way we can hope to survive as decent people.

30 posted on 03/04/2014 5:46:12 PM PST by Gluteus Maximus
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To: Bryanw92

Secession of counties and regions from states may lead to the secession of states and regions from the union. The important thing is that groups of people are thinking more about limited government and self determination. A small free state could become a magnet for entrepreneurs, small business, and self reliant individuals; they could create their own bank (like ND) and allow for transactions based in PMs. A small free state could go further, faster especially if decidely rural and populated by conservatives. Leftists could be discouraged as long as the state promoted gun rights, home schooling/ vouchers, family values, and discouraged welfare.
Mountainous regions probably offer the best chance or resisting federal invasion; just look how long Switzerland has survived as a confederation.


31 posted on 03/04/2014 5:48:04 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: GOPsterinMA

“Yep. And the destroyers of this country deserve to be treated with the same manner the Einsatzgruppen dispatched.”

The Einsatzgruppen murdered innocents. Women, children, the old and infirm. Their victims were hardly enemies of anyone or anything. Their victims destroyed nothing.

The Einsatzgruppen were pure evil. The Einsatzgruppen themselves deserved to be destroyed.


32 posted on 03/04/2014 5:48:49 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ought-six

Right. I know what they did. And like I said, the destroyers of this country deserve to be treated with the same manner the Einsatzgruppen dispatched.


33 posted on 03/04/2014 5:50:09 PM PST by GOPsterinMA (You're a very weird person, Yossarian.)
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To: ought-six
The Einsatzgruppen were pure evil.

Oh, yeah. Those guys were so ugly that the members of the Waffen SS protested loudly at being mistaken for them. How bad is that?

34 posted on 03/04/2014 5:51:59 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: ilovesarah2012

My juvenile solution - we don’t need more stinkin blue states

The problem is liberals and conservatives trying to tell each other what to do

There are about 25 liberal cities and then Rural America.

Rural America produces Water, Electricity and Food (and other good things)

Big cities produce ah, ah, ah

Well anyway we could trade our rural commodities for the stuff cities have

and other than that, leave each other the he!! alone


35 posted on 03/04/2014 5:55:41 PM PST by jcon40
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To: Gluteus Maximus

Soundd good.


36 posted on 03/04/2014 6:00:40 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: Billthedrill

General Friedrich Paulus, commander of the Sixth Army, despised the Einsatzgruppen, and told his commanders that he did not want them anywhere near his army, and that if his commanders ordered their troops to fire on Einsatzgruppen they (his commanders) would have his full support.


37 posted on 03/04/2014 6:06:50 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Crockett was from east Tennessee (state of Franklin).


38 posted on 03/04/2014 6:20:05 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: bert
All states north and east and including New York should be purged from the United States. They are Neo europa and are not really American. There are many conservatives there but the purge will give them the motivation to move to escape the hoards of Neo European trash that will want to move north.

I have proposed that we take the land mass east of I-81 and north of I-64 and just haul it out into the North Atlantic. Perhaps they will drift east and rejoin their European comrades.

39 posted on 03/04/2014 6:23:21 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: GOPsterinMA; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican

Most people seem to think this thread is about states seceding from the Unties States ala the Confederate traitors, which is a pipe dream.

It’s actually about creating new states from good parts of crappy states, an idea I love but is also difficult to achieve.


40 posted on 03/04/2014 10:06:40 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: ottbmare

Interesting point. I’ll have to think about that. I suspect that you are right.


41 posted on 03/04/2014 10:41:36 PM PST by TChad (The Obamacare motto: Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.)
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To: who knows what evil?

I can’t really disagree. There are some areas in that mass that seem to me to be salvageable. But,it might be the best course to do as you say.


42 posted on 03/05/2014 4:43:40 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: Impy; Clintonfatigued; NFHale; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Bender2

CF and I discussed this “new state” idea years ago.

There would need to be a new state on the West Coast - otherwise there’s a huge problem.

#kitteneatsflan


43 posted on 03/05/2014 12:08:07 PM PST by GOPsterinMA (You're a very weird person, Yossarian.)
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To: GOPsterinMA; Impy; Clintonfatigued; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Bender2

I’m a firm believer in making those OTHER people leave.

They can go anywhere and find their “Utopia” - I hear North Korea is nice, or how about a nice Islamic Theocracy somewhere? Put them Rainbow Flags way, way up high, and see how tolerant Achmed is!

Nah. I’ll stay. THEY can leave. We built it, we’ll keep it.


44 posted on 03/05/2014 12:22:43 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Born on a mountain top in Tennessee
Greenest state in the land of the free
Raised in the woods so’s he knew every tree
Kilt him a bar when he was only three
Davy Davy Crockett king of the wild frontier


45 posted on 03/05/2014 12:40:54 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: NFHale

This will NEVER happen, but I’d LOVE to see a POTUS send the military into a “sanctuary city” and put it under martial law. Then give the illegals 12 hours to vacate.

Let’s see what the rainbow flag waving, ACLU-types do then.

Oh right - they’d try to go judge shopping and get an injunction.

Then let the Einsatzgruppen begin.

Enough of this sh*t.


46 posted on 03/05/2014 1:00:51 PM PST by GOPsterinMA (You're a very weird person, Yossarian.)
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To: Bryanw92

It’s not secession from the fedgov... it’s sections of states seceding and reforming new states.

I think it’s ridiculous. The EXISTING states just need to exert their 10th amendment sovereignty, tell the fedgov to pound sand, and then let people vote with their feet.


47 posted on 03/05/2014 1:04:16 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Impy; Clintonfatigued; NFHale; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Bender2

SECEDE and I love the idea of secession so much, after we succeed in secession, we're going to secede from each other. I can't share the Confederate States of America with some foreigner from big ol' Texas bullying us and telling the sovereign state of GEORGIA what to do! I ain't never lived there!

In fact, I've already drawn up plans to have my county secede from the Republic of Confederate Georgia (not to be confused with the other Republic of Georgia in eastern europe). That should work for a while, but eventually my hometown will have to secede from my county cuz I don't want any of them city slickers from Mason interfering with our God given rights in McDonough.

Hell, I think that damnyankee Peter Griffith from Family Guy is the ONLY one who got in right. I'm gonna form The God Fearin' Constitution Republic of Rayville, which will consist solely of my own 3-bedroom property!


48 posted on 03/05/2014 1:14:51 PM PST by BillyBoy (Looking at the weather lately, I could really use some 'global warming' right now!)
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To: BillyBoy; Impy; Clintonfatigued; NFHale; fieldmarshaldj; Bender2

In that Family Guy episode, Peter settled on the name “Petoria” for his “country” because the name “Peterland” already was taken by a gay strip club in Providence.


49 posted on 03/05/2014 1:18:26 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: Alas Babylon!

Born David Stern Crockett, August 17, 1786, Greene County, Tennessee (then in the State of Franklin)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett


50 posted on 03/05/2014 1:23:11 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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