Skip to comments.Reagan Was Right, ACU Wrong: Atheism Is Enemy of America
Posted on 03/05/2014 8:17:14 AM PST by Kaslin
Are atheism and promoting atheism consistent with American -- let alone conservative -- values and principles?
The operational policy of the American Conservative Union now appears to contradict Ronald Reagan's view on this.
Reagan believed atheism was not merely wrong, but the enemy of freedom. The ACU has functionally adopted the position that groups promoting atheism can be featured at its annual Conservative Political Action Conference -- so long as they promote godlessness with civility.
In the same 1983 speech in which he declared the Soviet Union an "evil empire," Reagan unapologetically spelt out the "ideals and principles" that brought him into politics.
"The basis of those ideals and principles," said Reagan, "is a commitment to freedom and personal liberty, a commitment that itself is grounded in the much deeper realization: That freedom prospers only where the blessings of God are avidly sought and humbly acknowledged.
"The American experiment in democracy rests on this insight," Reagan said, "its discovery was the great triumph of our Founding Fathers voiced by William Penn: 'If we will not be governed by God, we must be governed by tyrants.'"
CNN reported last week that American Atheists would be sponsoring a booth at this year's CPAC.
American Atheists' point of view is plainly discernable from its website, which features a recent press release applauding President Barack Obama.
"Obama's administration has recognized atheism as having a place at the table more than any previous administration," the group said. "There is still a lot of work to do, and we have a long way to go, but this is progress."
Explaining American Atheists involvement in CPAC, ACU Communications Director Meghan Snyder told CNN: "The folks we have been working with stand for many of the same liberty-oriented policies and principles we stand for."
In the same article, Family Research Council President Tony Perkins rebutted this contention.
"Does the American Conservative Union really think the liberties and values they seek to preserve can be maintained when they partner with individuals and organizations that are undermining the understanding that our liberties come from God?" said Perkins.
"If this is where the ACU is headed, they will have to pack up and put away the 'C' in CPAC," Perkins said.
Also in the same CNN article, American Atheists President David Silverman said: "The Christian right should be angry that we are going in to enlighten conservatives. The Christian right should be threatened by us."
By the end of the day, ACU had disinvited American Atheists -- not because it was promoting atheism but because of the way it attacked Christians.
"We spoke with Mr. Silverman about his divisive and inappropriate language," ACU Communications Director Snyder told Breitbart.com. "He pledged that he will attack the very idea that Christianity is an important element of conservatism. People of any faith tradition should not be attacked for their beliefs, especially at our conference. He has left us with no choice but to return his money."
William F. Buckley Jr., the founder of National Review, described atheism as the main enemy in his classic first book, "God and Man at Yale." "I myself believe the duel between Christianity and atheism is the most important in the world," said Buckley. "I further believe that the struggle between individualism and collectivism is the same struggle reproduced on another level."
Whittaker Chambers, an early senior editor for National Review, expressed the same view in his own classic book, Witness.
Ronald Reagan, the greatest American political leader of the 20th century, often cited Chambers -- including at CPAC.
"The crisis of the Western world, Whittaker Chambers reminded us, exists to the degree in which it is indifferent to God," the newly elected president told the 1981CPAC. "'The Western world does not know it,' he said about our struggle, 'but it already possesses the answer to this problem -- but only provided that its faith in God and the freedom He enjoins is as great as communism's faith in man.'"
"This is the real task before us," Reagan told CPAC, "to reassert our commitment as a nation to a law higher than our own, to renew our spiritual strength."
Two years later, in his Evil Empire speech, Reagan declared: "We will never abandon our belief in God."
"A number of years ago, I heard a young father addressing a tremendous gathering in California," said Reagan. "It was during the time of the Cold War when communism and our own way of life were very much on people's minds. He was speaking to that subject.
"Suddenly," said Reagan, "I heard him saying, 'I love my little girls more than anything in the world, but I would rather see them,' and I thought--oh, no, not that. But I had underestimated him.
"He went on: 'I would rather see them die now, still believing in God, than have them grow up under communism and one day die no longer believing in God,'" Reagan continued.
"There were thousands of young people in that audience. They came to their feet with shouts of joy," Reagan said. "They recognized the profound truth in what he had said."
Now the ACU seems ready to welcome the right types of atheist groups to promote their godless vision to the young Americans attending CPAC.
I don’t doubt there are atheist conservatives but I do doubt the motives of agenda atheists who need to proclaim their atheism.
This is not your father’s ACU. CPAC be damned.
Conservatism is incompatible with atheism.
Atheism is amoral and directionless.
Conservatism has morality, meaning, purpose, and direction....all from God.
We hold no truths to be self-evident, that all (men) are evolved based on chance, that they are endowed by a mindless chemical process from a mindless universal algorithm with uncertain inalienable illusions that among these are a delusion of life, and the pursuit of happenstance.
Here’s your problem...a billion people would change one word of your statement and agree whole heartedly:
Take out conservatism and replace it with Islam.
“Islam has morality, meaning, purpose, and direction...all from god.”
I’m not a militant Atheist. But I recognize the futility of religious arguments. Christians KNOW they’re right. Unless you’re the wrong sort of Christian. Like a Catholic. Then a bunch of Protestants think you’re deluded. And a bunch of Catholics think the same thing about Protestants.
Muslims are so sure they’re right that they will cut your head off for being an infidel. If you’re Jewish it’s even worse. Oh, and let’s not get started about the Mormons.
See my point? It’s futile. Believe what you want, don’t push those beliefs on others. Mind your own business.
I realize many Atheists are obnoxious blowhards. So are many “devout” believers. For me, god has nothing to do with lower taxes, less government, 2nd amendment rights, etc. It’s just common sense.
Therefore thus says the Holy One of Israel:
Because you despise this word,
And trust in oppression and perversity,
And rely on them,
Therefore this iniquity shall be to you
Like a breach ready to fall,
A bulge in a high wall,
Whose breaking comes suddenly, in an instant.
And He shall break it like the breaking of the potters vessel,
Which is broken in pieces;
He shall not spare." - Isaiah 30:9-14
Atheism lacks morality, meaning, purpose and direction because that is what it is about. It doesn’t lack it because I believe in God.
Atheism has no foundation that provides for those things. All are a matter of whim and circumstance.
Atheism is intellectually inferior to belief in God.
I would rather have atheists who support limited government than religious people who do not in politics. I do not know that I would want their viewpoint on religion promoted. However, one of the tenants of America is that one is free to believe and worship in whatever way one sees fit. So maybe a bit of a catch-22, but I would rather have them sharing conservative ideals as opposed to liberal ones.
When Reagan spoke he did so as in "We the people" not as a tyrant like Obama.
We the people will never abandon our belief in God, no matter what entity presumes to speak for us.
Thank you for saying that and fully support it.
So are Atheists a greater threat than say...Muslims?
Yes, if the millions killed in the “political atheist movements” (communist, fascist) movements are any indication.
“I realize many Atheists are obnoxious blowhards”.
The public crusader ones for sure, like the ones who want to be at CPAC.
Problem with atheists is they are naive and obtuse.
Put another, they are dumb and ignorant.
That’s OK, but the problem is that they see themselves in the exact opposite light, that they are intelligent and informed.
That is the truth, and along that line, permit me to quote from a report made to the Seventy-sixth Congress on January 3, 1939:
Americanism is based upon the recognition that the inherent and fundamental rights of man are derived from God and not from governments, dictators, kings or majorities. It is as un-American to hate one's neighbor because he has more of this world's material goods as it is to hate him because he was born into a different race. Americanism is is a philosophy of government based upon the belief in God as the Supreme Ruler of His Universe.
That report was submitted by -- get this -- a Democrat from Texas, Martin Dies, pictured below. Back in 1939, there were actually people with a D next to their name, many from the South and quite a few from Texas, who loved America and realized that God was the foundation of this great country. Congressman Martin Dies of the Texas Second (now served by Ted Poe) launched the Dies Committee, authoring that report, which later became the HUAC, paving the way for war hero Senator Joe McCarthy to expose the communist enemy within.
And here's an additional quote from a genuine Patriot about Our Creator:
Without God, obviously wed have no God-given unalienable rights. Wed have only the rights government decides we should have. Thats the way it was done all throughout history until our founding fathers recognized the self-evident truth. America was founded on the principle that all men are created equal by God and granted their unalienable rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness... and self-rule. No king. No dictator. No ruler. No king but God.
His name is probably more familiar than that of Martin Dies. It came from a February 26, 2014 post by the American Hero pictured below.
This nation was founded on Judeo-Christian principles.
Thank you very much.
“Muslims are so sure theyre right that they will cut your head off for being an infidel. If youre Jewish its even worse. Oh, and lets not get started about the Mormons.
See my point?”
The above doesn’t make sense. Judaism and Mormonism are worse than Islam?
Amen. God lives in our hearts. Just as He did and does in the Evil Empire, in which people are now again free to worship. God lived on in the hearts of man even though the godless Marxist dictators tried their utmost to extinguish Him.
Amen and thank you, Godly patriot!! Excellent post.
I doubt most atheists are truly atheists.
An atheist is “one who believes there is no deity.” That’s an unprovable statement of faith, whether they choose to admit it or not. The only way they could prove their belief is if they were God Himself, able to be everywhere and everywhen simultaneously, to confirm He’s nonexistent.
I think in reality most of them are agnostics, if they were pinned down.
But Reagan understood, like our Founders before him, that obedience to God is a national security issue. We were obedient for most of our history, conforming our laws to God’s commands, and we were richly blessed for that obedience, going from a tiny republic of 13 states to a continental superpower. Neither that obedience nor those blessings were accidents. But for the past few decades we’re rejecting God’s commands in favor of depravity, and those blessings have been withdrawn. Our formerly rich and prosperous nation is now teetering on the brink of bankruptcy. Neither that disobedience nor that wrath are accidents either. But the spiritually insane will never understand these things. They’re foolishness to them:
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
People who look at voting data know how silly that thought is, if you want big government voters look to atheists, if you want limited government voters, look to Evangelicals.
Atheists are devoted to liberalism, a conservative voting atheist, is a true rarity, and is an exception.
“Muslims are so sure theyre right that they will cut your head off for being an infidel. If youre Jewish its even worse.”
Could you explain that claim regarding how the Jewish are even worse? Thanks
If they believe that there is no god that means they do believe
Spot on! This is exactly why the Left wants to remove God from the public square. Without Our Creator they get to decide what rights we do or do not have.
What I meant was to Muslims Jews are “worse” than Christians. Sorry if I offended. But I think the point that Muslims hate Jews is indisputable.
My point is that different religious sects will argue relentlessly that their way and their beliefs are the only righteous ones. It will never end.
Because it will never end and one side won’t sway the other...I believe it’s better to argue for limited government, lower taxes, pro gun issues, etc while leaving religion out of it.
There’s proof enough of the futility on this site. How many thousands of posts on Free Republic are devoted to Catholics arguing with Protestants?
How does any of that promote and/or advance the cause of conservatism?
“.I believe its better to argue for limited government, lower taxes, pro gun issues, etc while leaving religion out of it.”
What do you base your arguments on?
Exactly right, RedMDer!
I agree Jim. Again, I’m not a militant Atheist.
My point is this...religious bickering is pointless. It occurs daily on this site. Thousands of posts by Catholics and Protestants each claiming the other side is wrong and/or deluded.
How does that advance the Conservative cause? Even if all of a sudden all Christian branches suddenly put aside all their differences and agreed on everything...we still have over a billion Muslims that hate us and our taxes are too high.
I think we have a better shot at lowering taxes than we do of convincing Muslims, Mormons, Buddhists , etc that they’re wrong about god.
Again, I mean no offense.
Based on self determination. I know I won’t convince you that you don’t need god in your life to be moral. Just like a Muslim won’t convince you to convert to Islam right?
We can put all that aside. We can work together to promote what we believe in as it applies to practical government matters. In my opinion it doesn’t matter much how we arrived at our conclusions.
I am pro life, pro gun, pro limited government. I’m a 20 year military vet. I don’t believe in god. Don’t go to church. So what? I don’t care if you believe in god or go to church.
I care if you vote for Dems that will raise my taxes, limit my gun rights, flood my country with illegals, etc. That’s what we should concentrate on.
“Based on self determination.”
I try to avoid arguments between Catholics and Protestants.
Out of the races, Blacks are the most Religious, followed by Hispanics.
How are they voting Big Government vs Small wise?
Many of the founding fathers were atheists or agnostics. The difference was Franklin, Jefferson, etc. were respectful of the role religious institutions played in a culture. They respected and shared the same values as those who were religious.
Today’s militant atheists lack respect. They disrespect religion and they disrespect freedom. They are vile radicals. Even if they believed in god they would still be radicals opposed to freedom and American traditions.
Why do you avoid those arguments between Catholics and Protestants? I would surmise that you realize they’re a waste of time and you have better things to do. Just as you probably wouldn’t want to argue with a devout Muslim. Not out of any sort of fear or timidity, just that you know its pointless to try and change his mind.
Now, I bet you would argue with a Dem politician trying to ban guns or promote abortion right? Based on your track record I would recommend you to lead that argument 7 days a week. I would also surmise that 95 percent of Freepers feel the same.
My point is work with that common ground and we can get stuff done. If I support your cause - the cause of freedom, pro gun, pro life, limited government, strong military, lower taxes, etc...- does it matter where I go or don’t go to church on Sunday?
Keep up the good fight.
I told you I’m not going to convince you and you won’t convince me. It’s more important that we share a common ground. The argument itself is a waste of time. Where does it end?
I don’t know what religion you are. Let’s say you belong to a Protestant denomination (again, not trying to offend you. For the sake of the argument your specific religious belief doesn’t matter).
I ask you why? You proceed to write a 10-page explanation of your beliefs about Jesus and everything else. Let’s say you convince me and by the common parlance I become “saved”.
What about the Catholics? What about the Mormons? The Muslims? The Buddhists? IT NEVER ENDS.
I choose to wait and see and live my life minus all that bickering.
The Evangelical vote is almost 80% republican and they are the real social conservatives, not the small portion of the population who are black.
No on can explain black voting, but it doesn’t change the facts of social conservatives voting right, and social liberals voting left.
Social liberals are owned by the left, the anti-God people are owned by the left, because they make up and lead the left, they create and run the organizations of the left and the democrat party.
That's a falsehood taken as "truth" by far too many.
In the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior. The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity. -- John Quincy Adams
As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and His religion as He left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see. -- Benjamin Franklin
The Bible is a book worth more than all the other books that were ever printed. -- Patrick Henry
I do not believe that the Constitution was the offspring of inspiration, but I am as satisfied that it is as much the work of a Divine Providence as any of the miracles recorded in the Old and New Testament. -- Benjamin Rush
Whatever makes men good Christians, makes them good citizen. -- Daniel Webster
Advancing atheism is a path to a sure end of freedom, the left owns the atheist vote.
What happens to a person when they become an Evangelical? It usually means they start voting conservative.
You’re mistaking differences among individual beliefs with the foundational basis for conservative philosophy and the founding principles of the US.
You’re really all over the place.
What I’m getting at is that you and I may think one way, but without Nature’s God, to quote the Declaration, it’s just our opinion.
That’s why Jefferson talked about Nature’s God and the Laws of Nature.
Thanks for the clarification. As it was stated, I was wondering where you were going with that!
Read the quote by Franklin. He is showing respect for religion but no biographer would ever suggest he was a christian. Likewise the quote by Jefferson who was less agnostic than Franklin but nevertheless “not” a traditional christian.
There was tolerance and respect for those with different beliefs in those days.
Why do you choose to not capitalize Christian?
<>What do you base your arguments on?<>
Absent Christianity, there wouldn’t be a Constitution. These conservative atheists refuse to acknowledge their debt to that which they don’t believe.
Well said, re_nortex! Thanks for the ping to a wonderful post, onyx.