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They Just Announced Major Changes to the SAT…and There’s a Tie to Common Core
The Blaze ^ | 3-4-2014 | Dave Urbanski

Posted on 03/05/2014 12:48:19 PM PST by edcoil

The SAT college entrance exam will no longer require a written essay or penalize students for wrong answers, part of a major overhaul announced Wednesday.

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So if you're not penalized for the wrong answer, why take the test?
1 posted on 03/05/2014 12:48:19 PM PST by edcoil
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To: edcoil
The SAT is a multiple-guess test.

Now you get credit for right answers, but no penalty for wrong answers.

This way if you completely guess and there are 5 choices for each question, you will get a 20%.

If wrong answers are penalized you will get a zero if you completely guess.

2 posted on 03/05/2014 12:51:27 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (If Barack Hussein Obama entertains a thought that he does not verbalize, is it still a lie?)
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To: edcoil

Take the test, just don’t bother studying.


3 posted on 03/05/2014 12:51:29 PM PST by psjones (u)
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To: edcoil
So if you're not penalized for the wrong answer, why take the test?

Because you're still graded on the number of correct answers. To put it simply, the change is something like this:

Old system: Score = (number of correct answers) - ((some factor) * (number of incorrect answers))

New system: Score = (number of correct answers)

4 posted on 03/05/2014 12:51:51 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: edcoil

The SAT had a system to try to eliminate the guessed answers by subtraction of wrong answers.

https://sat.collegeboard.org/scores/how-sat-is-scored

+1 point for questions you get correct

-1/4 point subtracted for incorrect multiple-choice

0 points subtracted for incorrect student-produced response (math section)

0 points subtracted for questions you don’t answer


5 posted on 03/05/2014 12:52:16 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: edcoil

You might as well ask, if you’re not impeached for not upholding the law, why uphold the law?


6 posted on 03/05/2014 12:54:21 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: edcoil

Note the connection to Common Core. Everybody should be working to eliminate Common Core from our education system. It’s bad enough that the materials are all highly sexualized at a very young age, what they are doing to Math is a crime in itself.

In the last 2 days my husband and I have phoned our Archbishop (yes it’s in Catholic schools too) 4 State Senators and 2 Assemblymen about this abomination called Common Core.


7 posted on 03/05/2014 12:55:43 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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I guessed despite the penalty out of defiance.


8 posted on 03/05/2014 12:55:53 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: edcoil

The New York Times highlighted a sample of the changes coming:

The SAT’s rarefied vocabulary words will be replaced by words that are common in college courses, such as “empirical” and “synthesis.” The math questions, now scattered widely across many topics, will focus more narrowly on linear equations, functions and proportional thinking. The use of a calculator will no longer be allowed on some of the math sections. The new exam will be available on paper and computer, and the scoring will revert to the old 1600 scale, with a top score of 800 on math and what will now be called “Evidence-Based Reading and Writing.” The optional essay will have a separate score.


9 posted on 03/05/2014 12:57:21 PM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: edcoil

As I recall, wrong answers are penalized to cut down on guessing. A right answer would count as a point, a wrong answer would cause a deduction of one-quarter point, and no answer would count as no points.

The questions had five possible answers. If one didn’t have a clue, then the chance of getting the right answer was 20%, so the expected value was 0.2, but a wrong answer would be a deduction of a quarter of a point, so the chances were that a guess would be a net cost. Of course, if you could narrow the answer down to two choices, it made sense to select one of the two.

If the change to scoring is being made as reported, then one might as well answer every question - there’s nothing to lose by answering a question incorrectly and a gain if the guess is correct.

[I haven’t taken such tests in forty years, so my recollection of the penalty imposed for a wrong answer may be incorrect. I was always pretty good at such tests - I got either a 790 or an 800 on the GRE Quantitative section (I was a math/physics major, so not a surprise), and out-scored my room-mate, who was an English major and no dummy, on the Verbal section.]


10 posted on 03/05/2014 12:58:57 PM PST by bagman
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To: edcoil

Great, now I can lord my good SAT score on the old, harder test over people even more :)


11 posted on 03/05/2014 12:59:03 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: edcoil
The SAT college entrance exam will no longer require a written essay

Lemme guess....because black people cannot be expected to write a coherent English sentence?

And they say WE'RE the racists!


12 posted on 03/05/2014 1:00:13 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: edcoil

If they can conceive it, they can achieve it.


13 posted on 03/05/2014 1:00:20 PM PST by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: thackney

Yeah, but that system never really made guessing not worthwhile. You just needed to pick the right opportunity to guess. Every SAT prep program would teach that, if you could eliminate a certain number of choices as obviously wrong, then you should guess from the remaining, because the odds would be favorable enough to risk the penalty.


14 posted on 03/05/2014 1:01:42 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

I said the same thing! My cousin told me she got an 1800 or something when she took it a few years ago, and I didn’t realize they changed it the way they did. I got a 1360 the first time I took it, and I thought I was hot crap. Kids today.


15 posted on 03/05/2014 1:03:38 PM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: edcoil

Give everybody an 800 and be done with it. Don’t want to damage students’ self esteem, y’know.


16 posted on 03/05/2014 1:05:19 PM PST by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: edcoil

They are trying to control the homeschoolers and all others by - if they don’t learn to think/ to answer/ to guess/ to recognize test questions in the NEW way, they won’t get high SAT scores and will be excluded from the ‘elite’ universities. I know they are trying to control homeschoolers!!


17 posted on 03/05/2014 1:06:30 PM PST by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: edcoil

Gotta get those test scores up so they can claim credit for Common (rotten) core.

You can tell it’s from progressives, ‘cuz there’s a free worm inside.


18 posted on 03/05/2014 1:06:53 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Boogieman

“One longstanding critique of the SAT has been that students from wealthier households do better because they can afford expensive test preparation classes.”

Having just done this with a senior in hs, wealthier household pay for everything and poor get waivers and some are even paid to take prep classes.

“The Times reported that low-income students will now be given fee waivers allowing them to apply to four colleges at no charge.”

Using the commonapp, you can apply up to 400 colleges free and, I have received dozens of letters from colleges that if we use the common app fees are waived.


19 posted on 03/05/2014 1:07:04 PM PST by edcoil (Realism is only a socially accepted form of pessimism)
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To: edcoil

They are trying to control the homeschoolers and all others by - if they don’t learn to think/ to answer/ to guess/ to recognize test questions in the NEW way, they won’t get high SAT scores and will be excluded from the ‘elite’ universities. I know they are trying to control homeschoolers!!


20 posted on 03/05/2014 1:08:09 PM PST by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

There used to be a minimum score of 200 on SAT verbal and math and also the Achievement tests. The old joke used to be, “He’s so dumb that he got 300 on his SATs.” All that was required for the 200 was to print your name.


21 posted on 03/05/2014 1:08:23 PM PST by SAJ
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
if you completely guess and there are 5 choices for each question, you will get a 20%

A smart guesser could do significantly better. The correct answer to multiple choice math problems is often surrounded on either side by decoys, an answer way out in left field, and the idiot trap "none of the above". For example if the answers are 23, 25, 27, 294, none, choosing the middle value 25 is the correct answer about half the time.

22 posted on 03/05/2014 1:08:29 PM PST by Reeses
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To: Reeses

I was always able to narrow it down to two if I didn’t know the answer outright. You could usually eliminate one or two grammatically without knowing anything about the subject matter.


23 posted on 03/05/2014 1:09:38 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (If Barack Hussein Obama entertains a thought that he does not verbalize, is it still a lie?)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

The formula in 1968 was (RightAs - WrongAs / 4) * PtsPerAnswer. PtsPerAnswer varied from test to test in order to bring the max score per test to 800.


24 posted on 03/05/2014 1:10:56 PM PST by SAJ
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To: Wyatt's Torch
"what will now be called “Evidence-Based Reading and Writing.”

How many times have I seen "evidence based" in letters-to-the-editor written by liberals? It has become a liberal cliché, often used to mask the fact that some liberal ideas have little or no basis in the evidence.
25 posted on 03/05/2014 1:11:50 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: edcoil

“women and minorities affected most”

“potential NFL/NBA players can submit game highlight videos as an alternative to the SAT”


26 posted on 03/05/2014 1:11:53 PM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
This way if you completely guess and there are 5 choices for each question, you will get a 20%. If wrong answers are penalized you will get a zero if you completely guess.

And I think we can figure out who that was intended to benefit.

27 posted on 03/05/2014 1:13:02 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Truth sounds like hate...to those who hate truth.)
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To: edcoil

OMG WTF U ME4N I CN TXT MY ANSWER’S? UR DA BOMB!!!:):):)


28 posted on 03/05/2014 1:13:26 PM PST by Rodamala
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To: Boogieman

And then your average on those should reflect partial knowledge, if enough questions were answered that way.

I liked the system.


29 posted on 03/05/2014 1:16:11 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Boogieman

” if you could eliminate a certain number of choices as obviously wrong”

I always looked at the math multiple answers first. By looking at the “spread,” I could tell how much I could round off in the questions to make the math easier and quicker, and still determine the correct answer. I didn’t know about the deductive scoring of guesses, and because I always had so much extra time left over, I answered all questions, some being best guesses.


30 posted on 03/05/2014 1:16:23 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: rarestia
I got a 1360 the first time I took it

Think that's what I got also, although the math part was only a small contribution to that lol. My brother got all the quantitative genes.

31 posted on 03/05/2014 1:18:16 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: rarestia

The test was also “re-centered” some years ago; if you were in HS when smoking cigarettes was cool, add 50-100 points to your old score.


32 posted on 03/05/2014 1:25:59 PM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: edcoil
This will be the second time in my memory that the SAT has dumbed itself down. As before, it is meant to obscure the fact that chronically declining performance reflects the deliberate dumbing of America by the leftwing antiAmerican operatives of the NEA.
33 posted on 03/05/2014 1:26:44 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: edcoil
THE COMPLETE DUMBING DOWN OF AMERICA!
34 posted on 03/05/2014 1:27:31 PM PST by yoe
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

47) You come to work in the morning and find that the previous Barista has left you only 1 pound of Organic Free Trade GMO-Free whole coffee beans. If you ordinarily serve 100 Soy Milk Lattes per 4 hour shift. Assuming you sell only Soy Milk Lattes today, and that each Soy Milk Latte use 1.6 ounces of ground coffee beans, in how many minutes can you put up the “CLOSED - NO COFFEE” sign and go smoke weed in the back?

A) 3 minutes.
B) 24 minutes.
C) Did not go to work that day because I had to go to the CVS for Onestep Plan B.
D) 4 hours.
E) 420 4 LIFE!


35 posted on 03/05/2014 1:29:47 PM PST by Rodamala
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To: edcoil

The essay section was only in place for about seven or eight years. So, eliminating the essay puts the test back where it was for many years, until about 2005.

The problem with the essay section, according to one of my kids who took it, was that the essay grading was highly subjective, and many graders gave points for volume rather than quality.

Eliminating the penalty and dumbing down the math questions is another matter.


36 posted on 03/05/2014 1:30:21 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Pearls Before Swine

I have found it is really dependent on the student and what they believe they want to do as to if the SAT or ACT is a better test for them.

The SAT is more of a general business, non-technical student in school and the ACT is more geared to those wanting to head to college in technical subjects.

My son took the SAT, he walked out saying he sucked at it, and only scored around 1890 but he took the ACT, walked out, said he aced it and scored a 31 so take both and see how you do.

The HS generally provide free prep courses, the water polo team did a fund raiser for 10.00 you got the prep course and test.


37 posted on 03/05/2014 1:42:00 PM PST by edcoil (Realism is only a socially accepted form of pessimism)
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To: Steve_Seattle
"evidence"

I love those liberals who are always "debunking" evil conservative ideas (you know, like working hard might lead to a better life than not working hard.) Of course, those awful conservative ideas/theories are always "debunked" by other libs using typical lib "evidence."

38 posted on 03/05/2014 1:48:15 PM PST by driftless2
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To: DannyTN

if you’re not impeached for not upholding the law, why uphold the law?

*********
At this point, I’m wondering what’s holding Obama back from declaring himself in total control. There are really no impediments in front of him. The congress is completely impotent.


39 posted on 03/05/2014 2:02:54 PM PST by Starboard
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To: edcoil

Somehow, there are many College Board people involved with Common Core


40 posted on 03/05/2014 2:10:31 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: edcoil

So if you’re not penalized for the wrong answer, why take the test?

_______________________________

It’s the thought that counts.....

Re removing the essay part. I think that it’s a number of features. First, too often students entering colleges (this is Kalifornia but likely true elsewhere) are not literate and therefore are required to take remedial English courses. So if they are going to have to take remedial English anyway, why have the essay section? I think this happened in Kalifornia because to be “fair” (increase minority admission over more qualified Asian and white students)the state public university system started considering for admission the top 10% of every high school. (talk about grade inflation tsunami).
Then there is the likelihood that they were using software programs to try to replace the time/effort/reliability issues of using live scorers.

If they were using live scorers - it’s time consuming and requires many highly skilled people (with better things to do with their time) to sit in a room and read essays all day. With the rate at which literacy is falling in our country, they are probably finding it hard to hire enough and are having to pay more for them. (e.g., it takes weeks of interviewing administrative assistants to find one that can write a business letter) So live scoring is very slow and expensive compared with computer scoring. They do train and test their scorers to try to eliminate subjectivity - scorers train until they are rating papers on par with others in their group - but it is always an issue.

I can imagine that inter-rater reliability was the subject of lawsuits when certain students were not admitted or perhaps challenges indicating that there were cultural differences that the “highly educated scorers” were not prepared to properly evaluate.(multiculturalism)

I think the strongest reason for changes to SAT scores is indeed common core -the scores MUST appear to increase with common core.


41 posted on 03/05/2014 2:14:33 PM PST by ransomnote
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Actually, I find essays way too subjective for this kind of test. Further, all wrong answers are not created equal. Sometimes, a wrong answer could be correct especially if more facts are considered (depending on the question of course). And guessing gets you no where.

As for those two changes, I think they more adequately reflect the intelligence of the student. If you are guessing, you get a low score anyway and since everyone will be on equal footing that is all that matters.


42 posted on 03/05/2014 2:17:14 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: bboop

They are trying to control the homeschoolers and all others by - if they don’t learn to think/ to answer/ to guess/ to recognize test questions in the NEW way, they won’t get high SAT scores and will be excluded from the ‘elite’ universities. I know they are trying to control homeschoolers!!

_______________

I don’t think so. Homeschoolers mostly have a year or two of college under their belt by the end of the high school credits.


43 posted on 03/05/2014 2:21:38 PM PST by Chickensoup (leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: RIghtwardHo
They were on equal footing before.

The only thing this does is improve the "optics." It will make it look like the scores are rising because the teachers are doing a better job, when it's not true.

That's SOP for government schools.

44 posted on 03/05/2014 2:21:48 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (If Barack Hussein Obama entertains a thought that he does not verbalize, is it still a lie?)
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To: edcoil
What kept the SAT as a test where in about 95% of the cases a good test-prepper could predict within 100 points (usually much closer) a students score would be on each section is the penalty for guessing. It meant that a person would benefit from not guessing wildly, thus it required knowing the material.

Without a penalty a "good guesser" can easily come out above average. With the penalty, it's hard.

45 posted on 03/05/2014 2:22:42 PM PST by grania
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To: edcoil

If they dumb down the SAT any further they might as well just ask, “Are you a liberal? If so, perfect score!”


46 posted on 03/05/2014 2:24:11 PM PST by CodeToad (Keeping whites from talking about blacks is verbal segregation!)
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To: combat_boots

Stealth way to get common core into private and religious schools, if all college entrance exams will be based on how well a student can answer common core curriculum


47 posted on 03/05/2014 2:28:16 PM PST by opentalk
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To: edcoil
....so take both and see how you do.

I did great, thanks. In 1963.

48 posted on 03/05/2014 2:31:08 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Boogieman

The answers are a follows:

B
3.7
None of the Above
NO

This sequence, repeated throughout the test, will guarantee you a sufficiently high score to gain admission to the college or university of your choice...

Provided you meet one or more of the following criteria:

You can run, jump, handle a ball, have a close relative who is an alumnus/major donor or you are a member of the Protected/Underdog/DiversityBonusPoint class du jour.


49 posted on 03/05/2014 2:48:06 PM PST by BwanaNdege
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To: edcoil

How many correct answers is the key. My score in the Verbal section was 780..Math, not so hot 410, At least I exempted English in college when the placement test they gave was averaged with the SAT. My kids scored the opposite, high in Math and average in English.


50 posted on 03/05/2014 3:05:11 PM PST by BatGuano (You don't think I'd go into combat with loose change in my pocket, do ya?)
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