Skip to comments.Military’s top general offers grim outlook on nation’s defense
Posted on 03/05/2014 3:32:19 PM PST by SkyPilot
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Dumb, dumb, dumb!
If Gen. Dempsey really thinks that way about our weakening military, then he should have himself arrested and court-martialed as an accessory after the fact.
Democrats get power and F everything up at multiple levels. Republicans get voted back in en masse and fix lots of things and the country booms. Rinse and repeat. Save this time. This time we have a hard left communist Democrat party coupled with a GOPe that is more worried about party power than the nation. Hell, Boehner admitted he want's amnesty and is on board with much of what the Dem's are pushing.
Things do not bode well right now; but at least I have the satisfying thoughts that cities will crumble first, happy LIV suburbia's next when they can't figure out why there is nothing on the shelves at their local supermarket. Russia and China don't even need to invade. Most of this country hasn't an f'ing clue how to take care of themselves with almighty Washington D.C. providing for them at "this point in time". I have to wonder, whilst starving out, will they finally admit to themselves the were lied to by politicians? Will the actual survivors keep names and do what is needed after the great die off of the LIV's?
We get a lot less for our money, relatively.
They get more bang for their bucks.
1/4 of our budget in straight dollars means they will get very dangerous very quickly.
Our personnel costs are inflated vis a vis either China or Russia. Our procurement system is corrupt and extremely inefficient, particularly for new weapons.
If the U.S. follows China and Russia and increases defense Spending 300 % over 2007 spending that’ll mean a $1.65 trillion dollar defense budget. Why do we need that?
Relax America, it’s all part of that Fundamental Transformation you voted for.
We are already $17 Trillion in debt, and $200 Trillion if you count unfunded liabilities.
The whole JCS should have resigned years ago.
He’ll be the next to be fired tor some trumped up charge.
clintonh8r wrote: The whole JCS should have resigned years ago.
i agree. dempsey is a self serving wanker and it pains me as a veteran to say i would not want to serve in this military.
It does fit the libertarian ideal of a small domestic military.
Interesting how he only wears the top two rows of his ribbon rack. Very classy, imo. I think Ike was the last top General who did that.
And yes, the budget cuts are deplorable. National Defense is the top job of the federal government.
I thought so too
How do you know it is the top two, not the middle or the bottom two.
He has several clusters
Yes, let’s broadcast that depressing tidbit so all our enemies can see it and then try to DO something!
Really, liberalism is a mental disease!
The cowardice of those holding office will likely guarantee the least palatable of options, and the most distasteful of outcomes.
In the meantime, those who can, those in positions of power will bleed the productive dry to stave off the parasites while ensuring lives of comfort for themselves.
we don’t. We already spend four times as much as China now on the military. However we need to maintain greater military capabilities than any country in the world as a deterrence. Otherwise none of the stuff we discuss at this site even matters if we cannot maintain our freedom.
The chart is misleading. It should not be in percentage terms and perhaps not even in dollars but in military capabilities. Then one could estimate dollar spending projections and the percentage increase needed to stay ahead of the others. Whoever put that chart together was not too good in mathematical analysis. They just wanted a headline.
two plus two does equal four-—but he’s authorized to wear his pajamas if he’s so inclined. I’m just happy he showed up in uniform since he has such a low opinion of the MILITARY HE’S been leading.
A very brave man...
How soon will Obama fire him?
Because of the order of precedence and the awards listed on his bio.
Wow! I didn’t realize the defense budget was so high. I guess it really does pay to be a defense contractor.
Why do we need an adequate military or why do we need to spend so much?.
There are some such as myself that do not put a price limit on Liberty. Think about it, the military is what has guaranteed the Liberty to discuss spending priorities. Without which the Leftists would have zilch to redistribute.
The question is and always should be: what military abilities do we need REGARDLESS the price.
That is always a liberal argument, that we spend blah blah more as much as blah blah. Never fall for it.
First of all, we estimate what each nation spends on its military. They don't exactly publish it as we do.
Next, we hold a technological edge in many areas, and those are expensive, but they don't trump all. In the end, flying hot lead is just as deadly.
EXAMPLE: the US military buys a set of combat fatigues for $200 per pair. That cost includes R&D, liability insurance for the company, product safety, union wages, and a whole host of other costs that reflect doing business in America.
China's military pays $25 for a set of combat fatigues. Maybe not as good, or maybe better, but in the end, they outfit a soldier for much less than ours.
Each soldier deploying to Afghanistan has nearly $25,000 worth of gear going with him, but in the end, he can die just as easily from a single bullet as the Islamic fighter.
We also pay our military better, and give them better benefits. In my mind, they deserve them, and so do their families, especially when this nation is shelling out Trillion in giveaways to people who never lifted a finger for this nation.
China's military is mandatory, and they don't care so much about things like housing, pay, educational benefits, or health care for their people.
All I am saying to you is it is not a one-to-one comparison. Look at the number of ships, troops, and aircraft of military's side by side. That tells you a lot more than dollars vs. their currency converted to dollars of what we estimate they produce, procure, spend, and field.
I agree with you. Also, the militaries of Russia and China are building where we are mothballing.
Yes - I said essentially the same thing. One needs to compare military capabilities then calculate dollars and finally percentages. A comparison of countries spending in percentage terms is not that meaningful
Who should we believe? The general or chuck hagel?
If this is a tough question, you’re on the wrong board.
Because China and Russia will have it. The alternative is to have both of those communist countries spending SIGNIFICANTLY more money on their militaries while looking to knock us off the super power perch.
It’s a recipe for disaster.
I agree. But, what are getting for the $600 billion? If spending that much money represents pre WWII levels what are we paying for.
And: "Our procurement system is corrupt and extremely inefficient, particularly for new weapons." All govt. bureaucracies are corrupt and bloated. The Pentagon is another bureaucracy.
The important point, strategically, is that their $135B may be enough to give them strategic parity in less than a decade as they can buy much more bang for their buck than we can with 4x bucks.
I think Gen Dempsey is a political general who does not rock the boat, although from today's testimony it was obvious that he was much more pessimistic than Hagel, and repeatedly signaled to the Senators (in both body language and words) that the defense cuts are disastrous. However, I still believe he will do the bidding of his masters.
Exactly. America wants to loot the Defense budget, and beg, borrow and steal, to spend as much as possible on transfer payments so we can live the good life without having to work. Will our kids be bankrupt and subject to Russian and Chinese threats? Who cares? We’ll be dead!!
A lot more than the $799 Billion a year we spend on this:
We get a committed military that will go anywhere and do anything we ask, up to and including their very lives.
Our military backs up our world political and economic power, and without it, we are paper tiger. Russia senses our military weakness, and so does China. It is NO SECRET that they are currently attempting to remove the US Dollar as the World's Reserve Currency. If that happens, our economy will literally implode.
We get a military that will respond to domestic (i.e. hurricanes, tornadoes) and worldwide (i.e. Tsunamis, earthquakes) disasters.
It the DoD budget big? Yeah, it is. It is also now less than 4% GDP, a near historic low.
I get your frustration, and I understand there is waste and inefficiency. Not every Defense Dollar is sacred. But the military has been the ONLY Federal agency cut in the last 5 years in real terms.
John McCain said this to Hagel this morning:
"I must say your timing is exquisite. Coming over here with a budget when the world is probably more unsettled since the end of World War II. The invasion of Crimea, Iran negotiations collapsed, China more aggressive in the South China Sea, North Korea fired more missiles in the last few days, Syria turning into a regional conflict. You've come here with a budget that constrains us in a way that's unprecedented."
I don't know what is going to happen in the next 980 days left of Obama, but I know we are in serious, serious trouble. This will not end well.
We may hold a technological edge in many areas but a cheap RPG can still do a lot of damage. I always wondered why we never developed a similar weapon.
That’s a misleading chart (you know it...you specialize in it)
It’s a chart of percentages.
If you showed a chart of actual money spent, it would look far different.
The general is first and foremost a bureaucrat and the first rule of bureaucracy is that your budget must always get bigger.
Think for a second: He can’t figure out how to spend $600B to defend our country adequately.
That’s not a General officer, that’s a budget-guarding bureaucrat.
He’s got a point on closing bases and obsolete weapons systems
A smaller weaker standing Federal Army makes secession a much easier prospect.
Here you go again. ANY chart that displays “percentage” on the left axis is designed to mislead.
Deterrence to protect others, not against us. We're spending hundreds of billions of our dollars so other countries don't have to.
Is it? Or will it force other countries to step up and spend their own money to defend themselves?
Dempsey is one of the military pansies who is responsible for this disasterous situation. He was more concerned with gays in the military than the rise of the Communist nations and radical Islam.
I’m surprised that his lips are not bleeding from kissing Comrade Obama’s ass so much.
To think that I knew men like Gen. Lyman Lemnitzer and Maxwell Taylor, and now we have cowards like Dempsey. We have falled so far so fast. That’s what you get when you elect a marxist as president and those who are supposed to protect our country from men like Obama, now bow down to him.
LAWS are complicated and not reload-able. RPGs can take out tanks armor and helos and can also be used as poor mans artillery if massed.
I actually like the percentage increase better than I like “dollars” because that doesn’t mean anything when they pay a private $1000 a year and we pay a private a package that probably totals 35,000 a year (counting all benefits actually used). Of course their dollar costs are lower than ours, but they get a lot more bang for their buck.
Probably the same with operations and training. Something tells me they don’t pay a dime for “maneuver damage” and that field rats consist of rice, sometimes served with pepper and sometimes not.