Skip to comments.Feds Set Aside Habitat In Southwest For Jaguar [ Arizona and New Mexico ]
Posted on 03/05/2014 7:52:46 PM PST by george76
Federal wildlife officials are setting aside nearly 1,200 square miles in the American Southwest as critical habitat for the jaguar... Pima, Santa Cruz and Cochise counties in Arizona and Hidalgo County in New Mexico
The critical designation means anyone developing federal land in the area needs to consult the service to ensure it will not hurt the jaguars habitat
(Excerpt) Read more at kjzz.org ...
In Missouri they have "restocked" elk to a part of the state where they never existed.
Once they have a population established they will be able to lock down further land development in the name of preserving the non-indigenous elk.
New Mexican Jaguar? I’ll take the 1200 sq miles.
Let me guess, living there would hurt the jaguar’s habitat? What this really is is a set aside zone for illegals to cross the border unmolested.
These laws are used to hamstring border patrol. So they have to get off vehicles and ride horses.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot! Introducing exotic species can lead to an environmental disaster—as when rabbits were introduced into Australia.
Eventually the outdoors will get too deadly to visit.
As someone who likes to camp and hike alone, I’m already annoyed by the growth of the Mountain Lions.
America demands Justice for the Fallen of Benghazi!
Get ready for SSS.
That’s exactly what I thought.
Meaning there will be no further development on federal land.
I don't know the details of this questionable action by the feds. Since the land doesn't seem to be for public use, the 5th Amendment wouldn't apply. So the only constitutional justification that might apply is the Constitution's Clause 17 of Section 8 of Article I where the feds buy state land with the consent of a state's legislature.
But even if the feds purchased the land under Clause 17, it remains that the states have never delegated to Congress, via the Constitution, the specific power to define and protect endangered species.
So what am I overlooking?
Again, I don't know the detail of this issue.
Jaguar are native to Arizona and New Mexico.
I'm for stocking the border with jaquars to discourage the illegals.
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Ranchers herd cattle; sheep herders ... ; oil and gas production; timber and mining; ski and other recreational areas for hiking, mtn biking, horses, 4x4 roads to historical cabin inholdings; Spanish land grants before there was a Mexico ... ;
Former lands of Many Uses , and ...
Public lands are often leased .
This is another clever way by the eco- terrorists to vacate legal and long term allotments.
$300 per hour plus ammo costs.
> Whiskey Tango Foxtrot! Introducing exotic species can lead to an environmental disasteras when rabbits were introduced into Australia.
I always thought that jaguars were some exotic species from South and Central America until I met a WW2 vet about a dozen years ago, who shot one.
Prior to WW2, jaguars were found across the United States with occasional very rare sightings as far East as the Carolinas. However, they were mostly in the South West and there were only a few thousand of them. Then in the very early 50s the Interior Department decided that they were too big and too dangerous and put a bounty on them. Like the wolves. The jaguars were hunted to extinction for the bounty.
Now some wacko liberals wants to reintroduce them. We don’t need a big cat that makes a puma look like a house cat. These are big very dangerous critters and the government was right to get rid of them.
Since when do killers need protection? Oh, wait...
Thank you for that info george76.
Since some of the land sill seems to be private property (corrections welcome) that would eliminate both the 5th Amendment and the Constitution's Clause 17 of Section 8 of Article I. So I don't see what constitutional basis the feds have for regulating anything on at least part of this land.
Jaguars are indigenous to that area, so they’re not exotic.
Also water rights : the eco-terrorist have blocked the town of Tombstone, AZ from re-installing their main water supply after a fire.
The towns like Bisbee, Sierra Vista, Tucson, Phoenix ... AZ plus Silver City, Lordsburg, and .. NM also need their water that crosses public lands to exist.
The feds have often been trying to block cities as well as farmers & ranchers from using their water rights.
Thanks for the map. I’m guessing that once it is turned into a special habitat it will be tough to build things there. Like a fence and stuff.
Are the jaguars bigger than regular mountain lions such as the ones in the western part of the country?
OK for the illegals and drug runners [ who may vote Dem ] to trash our public lands - while the feds deny the border patrol and the American public access to border lands on public property.
Genus makes all the difference. While mountain lions in the 'boot heel' of New Mexico can get big, 190#, they are still in a the same Genus.
Mountain lions Genus Puma
Jaguar Genus Panthera (same as tigers, lions, leopards)
Cougs is Cougs, Jaguar is a whole nother animal, in size and style.
Or perhaps the gubmint is setting up shop to closely monitor Arizona for when the SHTF. Lots of guns and lax gun laws there.
See @ 32
The drug cartels running illegals and drugs have spotters in the mountains to watch the border patrols.
The border patrol does not have as easy access ?
Thank you, I did not know that. I live in mountain lion country and they are all around here, so I was wondering. Now I’ll search for some jaguar photos.
Thanks, I knew people here would know.
I’m glad jaguars aren’t around here, then.
How about shooting all the jaguars. Nothing left to protect the feds go away, right? No, the feds will never go away. Where I live we had wonderful trout streams. The experts decided that beavers lived here 150 years ago, they should be here now. And they are. and all the trout streams are ruined. The beavers chew off young trees leaving pointed stobs which puncture the tires of any farmer who tries to work the soil. But the experts, who know nothing , think it would be a good thing if the country was restored to the way it was before we got here.
That’s true but there are still a lot of uses allowed on those lands that could be curtailed by claiming harm to jaguar habitat.
That's what makes it great cartel and drug land as well. Easy to hide, and 'survive' and do what bandits have always done.
The BP already uses horses in that area, and that makes sense. Part of the problems they face is that the cartel have better technology and supply chains.
You could stop the cartel in that area, but ya would need to bring back Pershing, and uses modern tech.
They’re trying to make our county wolf country and there is no historic evidence of wolves in our area.
They’ve made some northern Mexican state wolf habitat and every wolf they have released has been killed. I’d laugh but each one they release costs the US taxpayer 500K.
Google Sasha Siemel, he hunted them in Brazil using a gun a bow and a SPEAR. Pretty big balls. One of the ones he killed was a cattle killer and had killed a vaquero. He said it weighed 440#. I don’t think they are bluffable as a cougar might be.
440#? Yikes. Mountain lions around here are half that size. I did some searching and learned a lot. Totally different type of cat.
There's a reason they were extirpated. These types of animals are great, as long as one doesn't have to live with them around, when they decide to not work as hard for their meals.
Agenda 21, amigo. Humans are seen to be the problem.
Get rid of the Lucas Electrics and the Jag will be just fine.
That was my initial reaction, but that is apparently not the case.