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Feds Set Aside Habitat In Southwest For Jaguar [ Arizona and New Mexico ]
AP ^ | March 05, 2014 | Alexandra Olgin

Posted on 03/05/2014 7:52:46 PM PST by george76

Federal wildlife officials are setting aside nearly 1,200 square miles in the American Southwest as critical habitat for the jaguar... Pima, Santa Cruz and Cochise counties in Arizona and Hidalgo County in New Mexico

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The critical designation means anyone developing federal land in the area needs to consult the service to ensure it will not hurt the jaguar’s habitat

(Excerpt) Read more at kjzz.org ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: New Mexico
KEYWORDS: agenda21; animalrights; ar; ecoterrorists; endangered; endangeredspecies; esa; jaguar; privateproperty; sss; un; unagenda21; wildlife
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1 posted on 03/05/2014 7:52:46 PM PST by george76
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To: george76
UN Agenda 21 at work to eliminate private property.

In Missouri they have "restocked" elk to a part of the state where they never existed.

Once they have a population established they will be able to lock down further land development in the name of preserving the non-indigenous elk.

2 posted on 03/05/2014 7:55:40 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (If Barack Hussein Obama entertains a thought that he does not verbalize, is it still a lie?)
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To: george76

New Mexican Jaguar? I’ll take the 1200 sq miles.


3 posted on 03/05/2014 7:57:44 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: george76

Let me guess, living there would hurt the jaguar’s habitat? What this really is is a set aside zone for illegals to cross the border unmolested.


4 posted on 03/05/2014 7:58:05 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: george76

These laws are used to hamstring border patrol. So they have to get off vehicles and ride horses.


5 posted on 03/05/2014 7:58:48 PM PST by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: george76

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot! Introducing exotic species can lead to an environmental disaster—as when rabbits were introduced into Australia.


6 posted on 03/05/2014 8:01:03 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: george76

Eventually the outdoors will get too deadly to visit.

As someone who likes to camp and hike alone, I’m already annoyed by the growth of the Mountain Lions.


7 posted on 03/05/2014 8:01:43 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: george76


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8 posted on 03/05/2014 8:04:59 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Mlichael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: george76

Get ready for SSS.


9 posted on 03/05/2014 8:06:41 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (Richard Warman censors free speech.)
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To: ConorMacNessa

That’s exactly what I thought.


10 posted on 03/05/2014 8:21:44 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: george76
The critical designation means anyone developing federal land in the area needs to consult the service to ensure it will not hurt the jaguar’s habitat

Meaning there will be no further development on federal land.

11 posted on 03/05/2014 8:22:54 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: george76; All
... are setting aside...

I don't know the details of this questionable action by the feds. Since the land doesn't seem to be for public use, the 5th Amendment wouldn't apply. So the only constitutional justification that might apply is the Constitution's Clause 17 of Section 8 of Article I where the feds buy state land with the consent of a state's legislature.

But even if the feds purchased the land under Clause 17, it remains that the states have never delegated to Congress, via the Constitution, the specific power to define and protect endangered species.

So what am I overlooking?

Again, I don't know the detail of this issue.

12 posted on 03/05/2014 8:23:00 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: Fiji Hill

Jaguar are native to Arizona and New Mexico.


13 posted on 03/05/2014 8:25:25 PM PST by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: TigersEye
Let me guess, living there would hurt the jaguar’s habitat? What this really is is a set aside zone for illegals to cross the border unmolested.

I'm for stocking the border with jaquars to discourage the illegals.

14 posted on 03/05/2014 8:29:57 PM PST by DannyTN
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15 posted on 03/05/2014 8:31:14 PM PST by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: george76

16 posted on 03/05/2014 8:32:27 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: Amendment10; jazusamo; Flycatcher; girlangler; TEXOKIE; Cindy; Inyo-Mono; Baynative; GladesGuru; ...

Ranchers herd cattle; sheep herders ... ; oil and gas production; timber and mining; ski and other recreational areas for hiking, mtn biking, horses, 4x4 roads to historical cabin inholdings; Spanish land grants before there was a Mexico ... ;

Former lands of Many Uses , and ...


17 posted on 03/05/2014 8:33:32 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Amendment10

Public lands are often leased .

This is another clever way by the eco- terrorists to vacate legal and long term allotments.


18 posted on 03/05/2014 8:40:11 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: DannyTN
Not a bad idea. Might make a good rental business.

$300 per hour plus ammo costs.

19 posted on 03/05/2014 8:41:20 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Fiji Hill

> Whiskey Tango Foxtrot! Introducing exotic species can lead to an environmental disaster—as when rabbits were introduced into Australia.

I always thought that jaguars were some exotic species from South and Central America until I met a WW2 vet about a dozen years ago, who shot one.
Prior to WW2, jaguars were found across the United States with occasional very rare sightings as far East as the Carolinas. However, they were mostly in the South West and there were only a few thousand of them. Then in the very early 50s the Interior Department decided that they were too big and too dangerous and put a bounty on them. Like the wolves. The jaguars were hunted to extinction for the bounty.
Now some wacko liberals wants to reintroduce them. We don’t need a big cat that makes a puma look like a house cat. These are big very dangerous critters and the government was right to get rid of them.


20 posted on 03/05/2014 8:46:28 PM PST by BuffaloJack (Freedom isn't free; nor is it easy. END ALL TOTALITARIAN ACTIVITY NOW.)
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To: george76

Since when do killers need protection? Oh, wait...


21 posted on 03/05/2014 8:48:22 PM PST by madison10
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To: george76; All
... Ranchers herd cattle; sheep herders ... ; oil and gas production; timber and mining; ...

Thank you for that info george76.

Since some of the land sill seems to be private property (corrections welcome) that would eliminate both the 5th Amendment and the Constitution's Clause 17 of Section 8 of Article I. So I don't see what constitutional basis the feds have for regulating anything on at least part of this land.

22 posted on 03/05/2014 8:48:59 PM PST by Amendment10
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23 posted on 03/05/2014 8:56:12 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: george76
What about the "habitat" that Obama has "set aside" for the Mexican drug cartels...


24 posted on 03/05/2014 8:56:50 PM PST by montag813
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To: Fiji Hill

Jaguars are indigenous to that area, so they’re not exotic.


25 posted on 03/05/2014 9:01:12 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: All

Conservationists Propose 50-million-plus Acres as Jaguar Critical Habitat March 16, 2010

26 posted on 03/05/2014 9:02:02 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Fiji Hill
Mexico and all the border states already have mountain lions. They are native to that area.
27 posted on 03/05/2014 9:04:11 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Amendment10

Also water rights : the eco-terrorist have blocked the town of Tombstone, AZ from re-installing their main water supply after a fire.

The towns like Bisbee, Sierra Vista, Tucson, Phoenix ... AZ plus Silver City, Lordsburg, and .. NM also need their water that crosses public lands to exist.

The feds have often been trying to block cities as well as farmers & ranchers from using their water rights.


28 posted on 03/05/2014 9:09:50 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: TigersEye

Thanks for the map. I’m guessing that once it is turned into a special habitat it will be tough to build things there. Like a fence and stuff.


29 posted on 03/05/2014 9:11:52 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: BuffaloJack

Are the jaguars bigger than regular mountain lions such as the ones in the western part of the country?


30 posted on 03/05/2014 9:13:10 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: montag813

OK for the illegals and drug runners [ who may vote Dem ] to trash our public lands - while the feds deny the border patrol and the American public access to border lands on public property.


31 posted on 03/05/2014 9:14:17 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Ditter
All the cats are from the Family Felidae

Genus makes all the difference. While mountain lions in the 'boot heel' of New Mexico can get big, 190#, they are still in a the same Genus.

Mountain lions Genus Puma

Jaguar Genus Panthera (same as tigers, lions, leopards)

Cougs is Cougs, Jaguar is a whole nother animal, in size and style.

32 posted on 03/05/2014 9:17:25 PM PST by xone
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To: george76
Jaguars, my butt.. How long before 'FEMA'/internment camps pop up on this property? Watch for large, unmarked buildings and lots of barbed wire.

Or perhaps the gubmint is setting up shop to closely monitor Arizona for when the SHTF. Lots of guns and lax gun laws there.

33 posted on 03/05/2014 9:17:36 PM PST by CivilWarBrewing
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To: little jeremiah

See @ 32


34 posted on 03/05/2014 9:18:49 PM PST by xone
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

The drug cartels running illegals and drugs have spotters in the mountains to watch the border patrols.

The border patrol does not have as easy access ?


35 posted on 03/05/2014 9:20:35 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: little jeremiah
Jaguar are the largest Cat in the Americas.
36 posted on 03/05/2014 9:21:36 PM PST by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: xone

Thank you, I did not know that. I live in mountain lion country and they are all around here, so I was wondering. Now I’ll search for some jaguar photos.


37 posted on 03/05/2014 9:22:12 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Theoria

Thanks, I knew people here would know.

I’m glad jaguars aren’t around here, then.


38 posted on 03/05/2014 9:22:48 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: TigersEye
Major chunks of that land are already protected wilderness or national forest, or Indian reservation.
39 posted on 03/05/2014 9:24:03 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: george76

How about shooting all the jaguars. Nothing left to protect the feds go away, right? No, the feds will never go away. Where I live we had wonderful trout streams. The experts decided that beavers lived here 150 years ago, they should be here now. And they are. and all the trout streams are ruined. The beavers chew off young trees leaving pointed stobs which puncture the tires of any farmer who tries to work the soil. But the experts, who know nothing , think it would be a good thing if the country was restored to the way it was before we got here.


40 posted on 03/05/2014 9:24:04 PM PST by Octar
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To: hinckley buzzard

That’s true but there are still a lot of uses allowed on those lands that could be curtailed by claiming harm to jaguar habitat.


41 posted on 03/05/2014 9:28:51 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: george76
This is all Pancho Villa and Apache land of old.

That's what makes it great cartel and drug land as well. Easy to hide, and 'survive' and do what bandits have always done.

The BP already uses horses in that area, and that makes sense. Part of the problems they face is that the cartel have better technology and supply chains.

You could stop the cartel in that area, but ya would need to bring back Pershing, and uses modern tech.

42 posted on 03/05/2014 9:30:07 PM PST by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

They’re trying to make our county wolf country and there is no historic evidence of wolves in our area.

They’ve made some northern Mexican state wolf habitat and every wolf they have released has been killed. I’d laugh but each one they release costs the US taxpayer 500K.


43 posted on 03/05/2014 9:31:20 PM PST by tiki
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To: little jeremiah

Google Sasha Siemel, he hunted them in Brazil using a gun a bow and a SPEAR. Pretty big balls. One of the ones he killed was a cattle killer and had killed a vaquero. He said it weighed 440#. I don’t think they are bluffable as a cougar might be.


44 posted on 03/05/2014 9:34:02 PM PST by xone
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To: xone

440#? Yikes. Mountain lions around here are half that size. I did some searching and learned a lot. Totally different type of cat.


45 posted on 03/05/2014 9:37:07 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah
Totally different type of cat.

There's a reason they were extirpated. These types of animals are great, as long as one doesn't have to live with them around, when they decide to not work as hard for their meals.

46 posted on 03/05/2014 9:40:44 PM PST by xone
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To: Octar
But the experts, who know nothing , think it would be a good thing if the country was restored to the way it was before we got here.

Agenda 21, amigo. Humans are seen to be the problem.

47 posted on 03/05/2014 9:45:27 PM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: george76
Add the jaguar to this list.


48 posted on 03/05/2014 10:02:05 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ConorMacNessa

Get rid of the Lucas Electrics and the Jag will be just fine.


49 posted on 03/05/2014 10:06:58 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: BuffaloJack; Ditter; Boogieman
I always thought that jaguars were some exotic species from South and Central America

That was my initial reaction, but that is apparently not the case.

50 posted on 03/05/2014 10:07:05 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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