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Probe: Did the CIA spy on the U.S. Senate?
McClatchy DC ^ | March 4, 2014 | Jonathan S. Landay, Ali Watkins and Marisa Taylor

Posted on 03/05/2014 10:09:39 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

WASHINGTON — The CIA Inspector General’s Office has asked the Justice Department to investigate allegations of malfeasance at the spy agency in connection with a yet-to-be released Senate Intelligence Committee report into the CIA’s secret detention and interrogation program, McClatchy has learned.

The criminal referral may be related to what several knowledgeable people said was CIA monitoring of computers used by Senate aides to prepare the study. The monitoring may have violated an agreement between the committee and the agency.

The development marks an unprecedented breakdown in relations between the CIA and its congressional overseers amid an extraordinary closed-door battle over the 6,300-page report on the agency’s use of waterboarding and harsh interrogation techniques on suspected terrorists held in secret overseas prisons. The report is said to be a searing indictment of the program. The CIA has disputed some of the reports findings.

White House officials have closely tracked the bitter struggle, a McClatchy investigation has found. But they haven’t directly intervened, perhaps because they are embroiled in their own feud with the committee, resisting surrendering top-secret documents that the CIA asserted were covered by executive privilege and sent to the White House.

McClatchy’s findings are based on information found in official documents and provided by people with knowledge of the dispute being fought in the seventh-floor executive offices of the CIA’s headquarters in Langley, Va., and the committee’s high-security work spaces on Capitol Hill.

The people who spoke to McClatchy asked not to be identified because the feud involves highly classified matters and carries enormous consequences for congressional oversight over the executive branch.

The CIA and the committee declined to comment.

Caitlin Hayden, a spokeswoman for the National Security Council, declined to discuss the matter and referred questions to the CIA and the Justice Department...

(Excerpt) Read more at mcclatchydc.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: centralintelligence; congress; espionage; surveillance

1 posted on 03/05/2014 10:09:40 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well, it’s a cinch that with the bloody-fisted Brennan now running the spooks, they are doing as they please, as a means to empower themselves and their oligarch masters.


2 posted on 03/05/2014 10:12:40 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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Question:

Who do you trust more today, the agencies or the representatives?

+1 agencies.


3 posted on 03/05/2014 10:19:07 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When did they stop?


4 posted on 03/05/2014 10:26:01 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Surely it was for the safety of the U.S. Senate.


5 posted on 03/05/2014 10:28:50 PM PST by Antihero101607
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

i’d be happy if the press would ask Obama just two questions:
what did you know, and when did you know it?


6 posted on 03/05/2014 10:34:19 PM PST by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: Antihero101607

7 posted on 03/05/2014 10:42:40 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Did they manage to discover that Harry Reid is a mob-connected criminal? Too hard?
8 posted on 03/05/2014 10:45:47 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: MHGinTN

Brennan has been there a short time and I can’t stand him. But the people doing this illegal stuff are life long agents. I hold them responsible for not acting like patriots.


9 posted on 03/05/2014 11:06:36 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They had to - there was no accurate information available in America’s newspapers.


10 posted on 03/05/2014 11:15:42 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

McClatchy’s findings are based on information found in official documents and provided by people with knowledge of the dispute being fought in the seventh-floor executive offices of the CIA’s headquarters in Langley, Va., and the committee’s high-security work spaces on Capitol Hill.

The people who spoke to McClatchy asked not to be identified because the feud involves highly classified matters and carries enormous consequences for congressional oversight over the executive branch.

In other words....this was illegally leaked. By whom and why, I wonder.


11 posted on 03/05/2014 11:36:46 PM PST by Prince of Space (Be Breitbart, baby. LIFB.)
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To: TigersEye

The question is whether the Chicago Mob controlled or influenced Reid when he was the state’s Gaming Commissioner, or whether it was one of the eastern boys from New York/NJ.

I wonder what Reid knows about the mob-hit on Alan Dorfman, late of Las Vegas (two to the head) and car-trunked in Chicago.

Did Reid have contacts with Meyer Lansky/his gang, or his successor?

Land deals. Stink like a run over skunk left in the sun for a week.

How many visits to the Mustang Ranch?

The people want to know, esp. before this Fall’s senatorial races.

Hello Harry. Welcome to Hell.


12 posted on 03/05/2014 11:56:16 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This paragraph is the proof...

The committee determined earlier this year that the CIA monitored computers – in possible violation of an agreement against doing so – that the agency had provided to intelligence committee staff in a secure room at CIA headquarters that the agency insisted they use to review millions of pages of top-secret reports, cables and other documents, according to people with knowledge.

that there is NO way to have oversight over an espionage agency.

No matter what they show you, you'll never know what they're NOT showing you, whether its in a computer or on paper.
13 posted on 03/06/2014 1:21:52 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The President, Vice President and all Civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Seems to me we have a solution, if only the cowardly Senate would participate and do it's duty.

14 posted on 03/06/2014 1:51:19 AM PST by Usagi_yo (Standardization is an Evolutionary dead end.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

People who believe that the intel agencies of the USA are populated by “patriots” who believe in the principles of the founding documents of the USA have to be some of the most naive simple minded fools the world has ever produced.

Imbeciles who believe that Obama “corrupted” this outfit which before was comprised of good noble minded citizens working to protect us from nefarious foreign powers are so frightfully stupid that it is almost impossible to have a conversation with them.

The CIA is a murderous, semi-rogue, illegal as hell organization which has left a trail of murder, coups, irresponsible and reckless and arrogant thuggery in its wake ever since its OSS early days. Lay off the Tom Clancy novels for a bit and look at its history.

It is no surprise that a punk like Obama would use it against his political enemies. What is a surprise is that supposed freedom lovers and constitutional advocates would be anything but bored at the news.


15 posted on 03/06/2014 2:03:26 AM PST by AK_47_7.62x39 (There are many moderate Muslims, but there is no such thing as a moderate Islam. -- Geert Wilders)
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To: PieterCasparzen

All the “patriots” that piss and moan about Putin need to man up and realize that we have worse problems here. And no, I wouldn’t like Putin running my country, either.


16 posted on 03/06/2014 3:26:03 AM PST by ebshumidors
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To: PieterCasparzen

All the “patriots” that piss and moan about Putin need to man up and realize that we have worse problems here. And no, I wouldn’t like Putin running my country, either.


17 posted on 03/06/2014 3:26:08 AM PST by ebshumidors
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To: AK_47_7.62x39

The Senate is controlled by Obama’s allies.


18 posted on 03/06/2014 3:31:19 AM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: PghBaldy
The Senate is controlled by Obama’s allies.

And the CIA is controlled by the international banking consortium. Your point is?

BTW, the CIA is actually not responsible at ALL to the US Senate or Congress. It is an INDEPENDENT CORPORATION subject to no laws of the US once it is outside the US, and subject to no regulations IN the USA that control government entities. It is only FUNDED by the US taxpayers.

Nice work if you can get it.
19 posted on 03/06/2014 3:38:54 AM PST by AK_47_7.62x39 (There are many moderate Muslims, but there is no such thing as a moderate Islam. -- Geert Wilders)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

“Did Reid have contacts with Meyer Lansky/his gang, or his successor?”

We need the bear in the woods photo here.


20 posted on 03/06/2014 3:39:09 AM PST by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Americans WERE always on the side of the Company.

No more.
Now, al Qaeda is inside, and even the US
Congress is the “enemy”.


21 posted on 03/06/2014 3:45:58 AM PST by Diogenesis
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well that explains it!!! The Democrats walk in LOCKSTEP with the Purple Lipped President and the Republicans are SCARED LITTLE GIRLS!!!!


22 posted on 03/06/2014 3:47:30 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy

The CIA gets in bed with the FBI to spy on WHICH side of the Senate? Surely it couldn’t be the reason all the rhino’s are down in the hole with the ground hogs. We, the American people need to get rid of the entire bunch and start all over. Its past time for a revolution.


23 posted on 03/06/2014 3:53:28 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: Usagi_yo

Nixon was going to be impeached for using the CIA and the IRS. J Edgar Hoover stood tough against Nixon making him the last leader of the FBI to do so.
Obama goosesteps on the bill of rights and it goes un-noticed.
In a perfect world everyone in this regime would be hung for treason.


24 posted on 03/06/2014 4:11:12 AM PST by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: Usagi_yo
...cowardly Senate

The failure ultimately lies in "We the People" for having allowed men of low character to occupy offices of power.

This is the great fear of term limits - the shadow government becomes even less accountable that they already are.

25 posted on 03/06/2014 4:53:12 AM PST by Aevery_Freeman (Historians will refer to this administration as "The Half-Black Plague.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The spying is to catch leakers.

Senators were not the targets. The targets were the staffers that consider themselves immune from leaking penalties.

Staffer self esteem can be measured in leaks


26 posted on 03/06/2014 5:00:26 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: Jack Hammer

LOL!!

Good one


27 posted on 03/06/2014 5:59:46 AM PST by mj1234
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To: Aevery_Freeman
"The failure ultimately lies in "We the People" for having allowed men of low character to occupy offices of power gov't to surpass its delegated powers of the Constitution." Fixed it for you

It matters not if good nor bad men occupy offices, if said offices should never exist to begin.
28 posted on 03/06/2014 7:15:12 AM PST by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of the problem(s).)
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To: i_robot73
It matters not if good nor bad men occupy offices, if said offices should never exist to begin.

Said offices would not exist save for the actions of men of low character - classic chicken/egg argument.

29 posted on 03/06/2014 9:21:21 AM PST by Aevery_Freeman (Historians will refer to this administration as "The Half-Black Plague.")
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

I think all of those questions should be answered before anyone in the House, Senate or anywhere else does anymore business with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. I refuse to discuss any other subject regarding him until that’s all settled. Everyone else should too.


30 posted on 03/06/2014 10:51:48 AM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: PghBaldy

The Senate is controlled by Obama’s allies.


Key point. Sounds like the Senate Dems stole some CIA docs Sandy Burglar style.


31 posted on 03/06/2014 10:54:21 AM PST by lodi90
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To: bert

The spying is to catch leakers.

Senators were not the targets. The targets were the staffers that consider themselves immune from leaking penalties.

Staffer self esteem can be measured in leaks


Yes, Dem staffers. This is the waterboard stuff that gets Dems foaming at the mouth. No surprise they would rip whatever they could to support their case and/or embarrass the CIA/GOP.


32 posted on 03/06/2014 10:59:02 AM PST by lodi90
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To: Paladin2

The 4th branch of government the bureaucracy: unelected, unaccountable(see current NSA and IRS scandals)in all positions of power and they have the dirt on the other members of the three other branches of government.

To the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches all I can say is BRILLIANT! Dumb a$$es...


33 posted on 03/06/2014 11:01:40 AM PST by sarge83
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

34 posted on 03/06/2014 12:02:41 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Prince of Space
In other words....this was illegally leaked. By whom and why, I wonder.

Good question. This is definitely a psy-ops warfare, as both sides might have an interest in getting the "first mover" advantage by leaking this development.

Senate Committee staffers have an incentive to portray the agency as paranoid and "insubordinate," to inoculate themselves from the charges of "stealing" the proof of classified info they clearly had been given access to.

CIA'a interest is to gain an advantage in the possible hearings or election-style political posturing, by preempting the possible disclosure and mischaracterization / misrepresentation of raw data, and painting the Committee members and staffers as "thieves and leakers" who are not to be trusted now and in the future with access to some classified documents and [preliminary or ex post facto] intelligence.

From Senate staffers slipped secret CIA documents from agency's headquarters - McClatchy DC, 2014-03-05, by Jonathan S. Landay, Ali Watkins and Marisa Taylor :

Given this, my money is on CIA leaking first. One, they have very little to lose, and much to gain, in future dealings with Senate / Congress overseers.

Two, the Senate staff was clearly fishing for something that could be politically described as a "proof of torture" than anything they could find before in "the materials that were taken from CIA headquarters [which] found their way into a database into which millions of pages of top-secret reports, emails and other documents were made available to panel staff after being vetted by CIA officials and contractors" - which means they currently don't have anything tangible that they really wanted to have for their political case.

On the other hand, the Democrats didn't really have to go to great lengths to be able to refer to the "classified information obtained from the CIA by the Senate Committee oversight panel" for their political purposes, so any leaks to the media/McClatchy would only be defensive, needed as a damage control, and in this case they don't have much more than a strategy of "rank superiority and indignation."

But it also allows them a little offensive play, to give the impression and imply that any info they supposedly had the right to "take" was of a "damned loaded" variety.

My score for now: CIA - 1, Senate Democrats - 0

35 posted on 03/06/2014 5:54:40 PM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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