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Debate Over Who, in U.S., Is to Blame for Ukraine
New York Times ^ | March 5, 2014 | Peter Baker

Posted on 03/06/2014 7:29:49 AM PST by lbryce

In Moscow, especially in the not-so-good old days, the question almost always asked is kto vinovat: “Who is to blame?” The American capital now finds itself engaged in that very Russian exercise ever since President Vladimir V. Putin’s troops entered Ukraine.

Many on the right maintain that Moscow’s land grab is President Obama’s fault for pursuing a foreign policy of weakness. Some on the left contend that it is former President George W. Bush’s fault for invading Iraq and providing a precedent. And across the political spectrum there are accusations that it is the intelligence community’s fault for failing to anticipate that Russia would send troops to the Crimean Peninsula. Continue reading the main story Related Coverage

U.S. Effort to Broker Russia-Ukraine Diplomacy FailsMARCH 5, 2014 U.S. Hopes Boom in Natural Gas Can Curb PutinMARCH 5, 2014 The U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and the French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius, talk during a break in talks in Paris on Wednesday. Point by Point, State Department Rebuts Putin on UkraineMARCH 5, 2014

The who-lost-Ukraine debate eerily echoes the sorts of recriminations common during the Cold War, starting with the who-lost-China reproaches after Communists took power in Beijing in 1949, but this time fueled by 21st-century technology and flavored by 21st-century politics. On Twitter and cable television talk shows as well as in speeches, columns and congressional hearings, partisans have wasted little time trying to frame the crisis in Eastern Europe as an indictment of their political opponents.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: obama; putin; ukraine; us
You mean, there's actually a debate over who is to blame for the Ukraine? In the US, isn't there a guy who runs things, makes decisions, military, political, economic, who to whom the buck stops at some predetermined time and place, somewhere, anywhere, some leader-type character chosen for just this very happenstance? And the New York Times doesn't have a name, or a position to whom responsibility for what goes on, goes wrong is held liable?
1 posted on 03/06/2014 7:29:49 AM PST by lbryce
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To: lbryce

The MSM


2 posted on 03/06/2014 7:31:07 AM PST by yoe
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To: lbryce

Nobody —


3 posted on 03/06/2014 7:32:20 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: lbryce

No one has yet been held responsible for Benghazi either.


4 posted on 03/06/2014 7:33:57 AM PST by Starboard
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To: lbryce
Barry Soetero Hussein Mohammad Obama has ben denying any culpability since the 1840s




5 posted on 03/06/2014 7:34:06 AM PST by MeshugeMikey (Jesus came to Save not Entertain / Ground John Kerry Now!)
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To: lbryce

I am still scanning YouTube to find the “Made in USA by Tea Party rightwingers” video that enraged Putin to the point he invaded the Crimean Peninsula.


6 posted on 03/06/2014 7:35:18 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys-Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat-But they know what's best for you.)
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To: lbryce

How about Billy Jeff Clinton, who signed a treaty with Ukraine in 1994 that stripped that country of its military weaponry in exchange for a promise that the USA would defend it? Putin knew that The Weakest President Ever would never keep that promise, so he invaded.


7 posted on 03/06/2014 7:35:34 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: lbryce

Start with Clinton, either one ...


8 posted on 03/06/2014 7:35:36 AM PST by Ken522
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To: lbryce

Cracks me up. The invasion of Iraq set a precedent, but not Putin’s actions in Georgia.


9 posted on 03/06/2014 7:37:09 AM PST by cld51860 (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: lbryce

Bush
Gun’s-n-religion
Christians
white males
global warming
government shutdown
Heterosexuals


10 posted on 03/06/2014 7:37:44 AM PST by 12th_Monkey (One man one vote is a big fail, when the "one" man is an idiot.)
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surprised they didn't blame this guy....(again)

11 posted on 03/06/2014 7:37:59 AM PST by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: Uncle Chip

Only took two posts for the correct answer.


12 posted on 03/06/2014 7:38:55 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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Well the NSA is spending all it’s time tracking Tea Party/Conservatives .

Putin used the Olympics in Sochi Russia to prep for this and when the Olympics ended he made his move ,you did not have to be intelligent to see that coming


13 posted on 03/06/2014 7:39:18 AM PST by molson209 (Hillary Clinton)
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To: lbryce

Give the Russians some food stamps.


14 posted on 03/06/2014 7:39:46 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: cld51860

Iraq has had its own elections, with its own government and has not been annexed as part of the United States. Do you think Russia will give back the Ukraine and allow them their own elections?

The POTUS has made it quite clear he will do nothing about North Korea, will not defend Israel, and thinks its just dandy that Iran will have nuclear weapons. Why on earth would Putin not think that he would have carte blanch to invade the country of his choice. “Smart Power” is to blame. Really should be called Incompetent weakness.


15 posted on 03/06/2014 7:42:47 AM PST by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: lbryce

http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2014/02/ukraine-lobbying-exposes-holes-in-foreign-agent-registration-2597022.html


16 posted on 03/06/2014 7:46:53 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: BookmanTheJanitor
actually I watch Henry Kissenger on Charlie Rose last night.

He said the Yanukovych wanted join the EU but EU had conditions that were not met so he turned to Russia for money.

Then the protests ( The Obama Assistant Secretary of State was participating in the protest in Kiev and that was the direct cause Russia saw as the slap in their face, the history of most Russians even those who hated the USSR say that Ukraine is important to every Russian. Total missing of how to deal Internationally with Russia.

17 posted on 03/06/2014 7:48:21 AM PST by scooby321
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To: lbryce

“Lincoln - when it’s too big to blame Bush”


18 posted on 03/06/2014 7:49:40 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: lbryce

LOL!
“People who ask why are like Soviet communists!”

What propaganda! What debate squelching, Obamabutt-covering sheer drivel.

Obama lost Ukraine with Hillary’s help and that’s all their is to it.


19 posted on 03/06/2014 7:57:39 AM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Uncle Chip
Nobody —

Exactly! This goes back hundreds of years. Should we have seen it coming? Certainly! Both Palin and Romney pointed it out and were laughed at. The administration had more than ample warning of the impending action. Its even possible that Obama knew well in advance but was just keeping his promise to a fellow Marxist not to interfere. However, the Crimea and many other "states" surrounding Mother Russia are deemed to be within their sphere of influence and will be targeted again. All the so called "Stans" on the southern borders are in imminent danger of being swallowed up once again. JMHO!

20 posted on 03/06/2014 7:59:52 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: lbryce

Yanukovych is to blame for events in Ukraine. His excesses and corruption made all of this possible.

Period.


21 posted on 03/06/2014 8:01:32 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Tre Norner eg ber, binde til rota...)
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Some on the left contend that it is former President George W. Bush’s fault for invading Iraq and providing a precedent.

I'm disappointed the NYT couldn't get this "Bush's Fault" nugget into the first paragraph.

22 posted on 03/06/2014 8:08:12 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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Bush.


23 posted on 03/06/2014 8:11:51 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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Gosh. Wasn’t it a New York Times reporter who couldn’t see any starvation in Ukraine when Stalin was in charge? Now they notice Ukraine?


24 posted on 03/06/2014 8:15:23 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: lbryce

Forget blame us first. This was caused by the EU extending its reach and now wants us to bail them out.


25 posted on 03/06/2014 8:32:10 AM PST by ex-snook (God is Love)
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You got to give the 0bama administration credit for having in place a well thought out contingency plan in case this happened...</S>


26 posted on 03/06/2014 8:49:37 AM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: Cyber Liberty

That’s because they wanted the mystery of who to blame to reach a climax and then in one fell swoop reveal it as the fault of George W. Bush for invading Iraq and providing a precedent. Had they brought it up in the first paragraph then the story would have no need to go on beyond the one paragraph.


27 posted on 03/06/2014 8:49:50 AM PST by lbryce (Obama:The Worst is Yet To Come)
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That makes sense.

Remember when news stories were written like non-fiction? Yeah, me neither. They hated Reagan’s guts.


28 posted on 03/06/2014 9:03:54 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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