Skip to comments.IBM to combine Solar Thermal with Photovoltaic. Result. Power for Under 10 cents per KwH
Posted on 03/06/2014 10:46:00 AM PST by ckilmer
IBM and Your Changing Energy World BY Dana Blankenhorn |
NEW YORK (TheStreet) -- If I had a technology that could cut the cost of solar energy production to as little as 10 cents per kilowatt-hour (KwH), I'd be dropping everything to get it to market.
But I'm not IBM (IBM_).
IBM announced last week it will spend a $2.4 million grant from Switzerland studying a solar energy technology called High Concentration PhotoVoltaic Thermal (HCPVT).
HCPVT combines the concentrated solar energy system used in the newly opened Ivanpah plant in California, where mirrors direct sunlight to a central point and produce heat, with conventional photovoltaics, the technology that turns sunlight directly into electricity on a rooftop near you.
HCPVT uses a parabolic dish of mirror facets and a sun tracking system to concentrate power on a collection of liquid-cooled photovoltaic chips. The system collects electricity through the chips and heat through the chip-cooling system. IBM's press release says it can produce energy for less than 10 cents per KwH.
That's the same price as coal. The efficiency is nearly twice that of a recently-announced solar cell produced by the Fraunhofer Institute.
How excited is IBM by this? Not much. A spokesman wrote that IBM hopes to partner with other companies to make the chips, partner with construction firms to develop the systems, but that "compared with the key IBM growth areas of Cloud, Big Data, Analytics, Security and Mobile, this technology is not at the same scale."
IBM corporate culture hasn’t changed much................
If it works, watch for it to become a target of the greenies.
Maybe 10 cents per watt, but certainly not per kWh
Heck if they can deliver solar at par or under the price of coal generated electricity...it doesn’t matter. They can be as IBM as they wanna be.
But likely if IBM can deliver these kinds of results, there’s other players in the solar community who are on track to deliver better results.
That’s the ticket. IBM knows that even if this works, within a year there will be Chinese copies on the market.................
Maybe 10 cents per watt, but certainly not per kWh
You got me on the metrics. However, it makes intuitive sense that if you can harness both the thermal and the photovoltaic spectrum of light, you should be able to double the output of power from a given unit of light. And therefor cut in half the cost per unit of light.
We’ll see as to whether IBM can actually do what they say they can do and whether the they’ll be able to do so a price point on par with coal.
I’m not getting it. I’m paying .11 cents per KwH for the first X KwH, then I am charged .13 cents per KwH. That’s residential service. Business service is always cheaper and typically 1/2 to 3/4 of residential service.
What don’t you believe about KwH?
On the other hand 'Mother Earth Magazine' had a home-built design of this which generated around 1000*F....
I’m not sure that I buy that. However, if IBM is successful, then certainly the Chinese will try to copy them. But first things first.
So how much did IBM contribute to the Obama Campaign to shut down coal?
It's 0.10/kWh, which, in Germany, is price-competitive.
The moron author got each and every letter wrong there: it's kWh.
I know what you say...
But I have solar panels and they are priced per watt.
Currently I see pricing in the 0.75 to $1.00 range per watt for pv panels. So something at 0.10 per watt would revolutionize this market.
What you are saying for utility price is virtually impossible.
That's the same price as coal.
They spent $2.4 million on the project (grant money). This is not a good sales pitch for the technology. There is NO ROI, hence, it is not anywhere close to market value for demand.
Where? Is that a bulk price? What kind of PV cells, mono-crystalline, poly, or amorphous? I'm interested in expanding past 150 watt mono test panel. $1.45 about best I've seen in the past month.
read the link
The Solex Agitator for The Man with the Golden Gun?
If so, be sure to keep your nifty float plane well clear of Scaramanga's toys...
IBM's CEO Ginni Rometty is thrashing about
trying to find a way to make money to keep
IBM from bankruptcy.
An IBM news release (http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/40912.wss) said that it is "levelized cost of energy, which includes the cost spread out over the total lifespan, so you have cost / (power * lifespan) which would give $/kWh rather than the usual cost/power.
Currently I see pricing in the 0.75 to $1.00 range per watt for pv panels.
8 hours/day * 365 days * 15 years useful life = 43,800 watt hours or 44kwh ,, about $0.0228 per kwh ,,, that’s assuming Georges $1/watt price is “all in” with inverters , batteries , installation and maintenance costs.
The flying boat in “golden gun” is almost certainly a model.. it looks very much like a “Lake” but without the cruciform tail. The flying car was likewise a model.
I think the same procedure (mirrors to focus sunlight to central point for thermal production) was used in that big operation in Spain.
However, I think it was shut down recently as they couldn’t operate it at a rate that was comparable with other types of electric production without heavy government subsidies.
I had really thought this was the future, but maybe not quite yet.
It was a real plane.
Cubby Broccoli used real aircraft wherever possible. You can see the crew putting out the burning plane after the scene was filmed at http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-2085178/James-Bond-sets-Goldfingers-laser-scene-Moon-buggy-Diamonds-Are-Forever.html
My dad still owns and flies a Hershey Bar winged Piper Cherokee just like the ones Pussy Galore’s crew flew in Goldfinger.
I assume at IBM this covers the overhead, janitors and cost to heat a building. Now when do they get money for the actual work?
And when it is night just shine great big spotlights powered by coal powerplants.
yeah the solar thermal plant in spain was shut down, I think.
Hard to say what the future will bring.
HCPVT uses a parabolic dish of mirror facets and a sun tracking system to concentrate power on a collection of liquid-cooled photovoltaic chips
. . . and also to instantly fricassee any bird who flies near it . . .
Tesla is also making a lithium battery that is supposed to give significant longevity on solar systems.
Explain your objection.
"Electricity" delivered to the customer is metered and sold in units of energy (kWh), not power (W). "Electricity" cost in West Virginia (for example) is around $0.09/kWh, and is generated primarily by burning coal.
I think it is a very real Republic RC-3 Seabee. The flying AMC Matador, however, now that was a model. Britt Ekland (Mi6 agent Goodnight) - not a model but is Swedish, while Maud Adams was a model and Swedish!
I remember the Piper (Cherokee 6 ?) formations from Goldfinger very clearly ,,, one of the most blatant “product placement” spots I’ve ever seen ,, the word “PIPER” had to be in 6” letters on each of them.
As long as we’ve moved on to Bond ,,, I desperately want to build my own “Little Nelly” autogyro,,, with VW or motorcycle power.
If it actually can produce electricity at less than 10 cents/KwH, then:
something seems out of sync because this statement:
“How excited is IBM by this? Not much. A spokesman wrote that IBM hopes to partner with other companies to make the chips, partner with construction firms to develop the systems, but that “compared with the key IBM growth areas of Cloud, Big Data, Analytics, Security and Mobile, this technology is not at the same scale.”
which sounds like costs will be too, because if costs were not too high, you’d think there was a ton of profit in as well as a huge market for it, and if cost of production is really too high to be very profitable, then can it really give less than 10 cents/KwH performance
something seems out of sync
I’ll take the BD-5J from the opening sequence of Octopussy. The Siai-Marchetti SF-260TP turboprop fighter from Quantum of Solace is a close second.
yeah agree. something else is going on. If IBM could do what the article says it can do —then the profit from it would be huge. and not a trifling as IBM seems to suggest.
It may just be that whatever they have is still very much a sketch and nothing more. which is what a lot of scientific announcements are. they don’t have much but they’re looking for more funding.