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Russian Warship Sunk Off Crimea
gCaptain ^ | March 6, 2014 | Rob Almeida

Posted on 03/06/2014 6:48:33 PM PST by artichokegrower

The Ukrainian Ministry of Defense released the above image today showing the Russian Navy’s Ochakov, a Kara-class cruiser, which was intentionally sunk last night to blockade the Ukrainian Navy ships located in Novoozerne.

(Excerpt) Read more at gcaptain.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: russiaship; russiashipsunk; ukrainecrisis
Do you get the feeling that our media is not giving us the whole story on what is happening over there?
1 posted on 03/06/2014 6:48:33 PM PST by artichokegrower
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To: artichokegrower

Well they told us the Pope embraced civil unions for homos and that the Muslim Brotherhood was moderate... seems legit.


2 posted on 03/06/2014 6:49:27 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: artichokegrower

Sky News (UK) does pretty well.


3 posted on 03/06/2014 6:50:03 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: GeronL; KC_Lion; TigersEye; nuconvert; txhurl

Ping.


4 posted on 03/06/2014 6:50:52 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: artichokegrower

Bingo.


5 posted on 03/06/2014 6:51:26 PM PST by Fungi
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To: artichokegrower

Uh.

WOW.


6 posted on 03/06/2014 6:51:57 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Viennacon

.....And a CNN anchorlady actually believes, or believed that “global warming” could make meteor strikes more likely.

(She asked that of Bill Nye The “Science” Guy on air anyway. I’m a little surprised the moron didn’t say that it was.)


7 posted on 03/06/2014 6:54:03 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: artichokegrower

Demolition team could split it with high explosives but a big mess and not quick to get it cleaned up.


8 posted on 03/06/2014 6:55:29 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: artichokegrower

Damn, global warming must have done the sinking.

On 2nd thought, probably not or the mainstream media would have told us about this.


9 posted on 03/06/2014 6:58:12 PM PST by House Atreides
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To: steve86

Russia scuttled it. If a Demo team approached they would simply wave them off (under arms) claiming salvage rights. “No, Anatov, that was a mistake we made, she sunk accidently! We wish to raise this ship so it can sail again! Will only take 5 months or so!”


10 posted on 03/06/2014 6:58:57 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: SevenofNine; caww

ping.


11 posted on 03/06/2014 7:00:01 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: steve86
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what's the deal with the ship's paint colors ?

they're not standard "sea going" gray.

the ship might have been ready to be scrapped.

nevertheless, a very nice "pawn to king's four" move ...



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12 posted on 03/06/2014 7:00:56 PM PST by Patton@Bastogne (.)
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To: artichokegrower

The ship they sunk in the channel was the Ochakov. a Kara-Class late-60’s-era cruiser, that was already heading for the scrapper’s torch.

Laid up for 27 years, since 1987. Was to be rebuilt in the 90’s, but caught fire in the yard, heavily damaging it. Finally was written off and decommissioned in 2011.


13 posted on 03/06/2014 7:01:32 PM PST by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

Yes, junk scrap metal that made a nice bar across the door.


14 posted on 03/06/2014 7:02:08 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: Lazamataz
Russia scuttled it. If a Demo team approached they would simply wave them off (under arms) claiming salvage rights. “No, Anatov, that was a mistake we made, she sunk accidently! We wish to raise this ship so it can sail again! Will only take 5 months or so!”

In Russian, it would be "... he sunk accidently."

I think it would be "sank accidently, but whatever.

15 posted on 03/06/2014 7:02:14 PM PST by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: Viennacon

Good enough for me. </snort>


16 posted on 03/06/2014 7:03:39 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: artichokegrower

seeing they could do a blockade with ships they didn’t have to sink, i don’t quite believe this bs.


17 posted on 03/06/2014 7:05:05 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: steve86; All

Interesting side note:
The inlet that the Ukrainian fleet is bottled up in was the old Soviet Hovercraft and Assault Landing Craft base, and at one time housed thousands of Naval Marines.


18 posted on 03/06/2014 7:11:17 PM PST by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Steely Tom

Molodyetz!

In Russian, military ships are referred to as `he’, but civilian vessels are `she’.


19 posted on 03/06/2014 7:12:00 PM PST by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: artichokegrower

Putin, the new rise of Hitler.


20 posted on 03/06/2014 7:13:05 PM PST by Logical me
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To: KoRn

““global warming” could make meteor strikes more likely.”

Gee, hot things expand, that is get bigger, so earth would be a bigger target? She must be right. I mean news people know everything.


21 posted on 03/06/2014 7:15:04 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: artichokegrower

Or....Ukranians sank it.


22 posted on 03/06/2014 7:16:08 PM PST by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, WIN LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: artichokegrower

23 posted on 03/06/2014 7:18:01 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Secret Agent Man
It was a ship that was ready for the scrap yard. The idea was to block the port not create a target.

During the Revolutionary war, Rochambeau's fleet blockaded the Chesapeake, putting the British ships "up the creek" one might say and a few days later "turned the world upside down".

24 posted on 03/06/2014 7:18:21 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: artichokegrower

Specs, etc., for the Ochakov:

http://flot.sevastopol.info/eng/ship/largeaswdestroyers/ochakov.htm

569 ft. long - not exactly a rowboat.

I wonder if the Ukrainians were going to try to break out and the Russkies got wind of it.

Can’t wait for Putin’s explanation...

Does this qualify as an act of war?


25 posted on 03/06/2014 7:23:40 PM PST by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: Army Air Corps

Wow


26 posted on 03/06/2014 7:29:12 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: TomasUSMC

you wish


27 posted on 03/06/2014 7:30:25 PM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: artichokegrower

Most misleading headline, ever.


28 posted on 03/06/2014 7:31:17 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Jet Jaguar

She looks in a hell of a lot better shape than the vessels in our mothball fleet!


29 posted on 03/06/2014 7:41:46 PM PST by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: artichokegrower

All news media is trash today.

Amateurish: little background on subject, few true subject matter experts, pressure to report quickly (little fact checking)

Biased: ideologically bent by journalists and editors. Feeding their demographic or psycho graphic target audience. CNN goes so far that stories will often vary substantially depending where one is watching because they cater to their market.

No consequences to journalists in reality (libel/slander) and no real professional licensing/credentialing. So there is little concern in consequences for getting it wrong or purposefully doing wrong.

Influenced by political forces (be nice/play along and you’ll get access)

Influenced by money from sponsors.

Restricted because of safety, insurance...

Lazy and willing to often “go along” when being spoon fed.

What sells: pictures, video, conflict, sex, violence, celebrity stories are preferred, and real news is often overlooked because it’s just not “sensational” enough. Even the morning weather has to be made into a sensational story with some sort of conflict.

The story has to be kept short, and what we call in depth is a 3 minute story that is really a superficial gloss over. The story also has to be dumbed down so someone with little knowledge can comprehend what is being discussed: oversimplification.

What we call news is trash. Editorialized trash (journalism vs. reporting) where an entire story could be condensed to a mere paragraph in factual information, the rest simply being opinions, extrapolations, and the discussion of feelings. Repetitive crap by pretty people that are demographically diverse and can talk quickly.

The news has become near pure entertainment, from which little actionable information is gained by the viewer. The viewer watches or listens for affirmation, not to actually receive information upon which decisions can be made. The news is basically operating in the realm of “feelings.”

But there is an upside to our news media. At least most Americans can find the Ukraine on a political map today, because they surely didn’t learn this in their high quality public education.


30 posted on 03/06/2014 7:43:42 PM PST by Red6
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To: Patton@Bastogne

The ship was one of the late casualties of the break up of the Soviet Union. Oddly enough it was built in a Ukrainian shipyard. The paint was probably the primer before a finish coat when the ship was laid up for overhaul. That was never completed. Instead the ship was simply removed and docked.

Lots of Soviet naval vessels undergoing repair or construction such as the Chinese carrier met a similar end. The Chinese carrier was originally abandoned by the Soviets at the same complex that built the now scuttled ship.


31 posted on 03/06/2014 7:46:03 PM PST by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: artichokegrower
What would happen if somebody sank a ship in the Bosporus?
32 posted on 03/06/2014 7:57:01 PM PST by null and void ( Obama is Law-Less because Republican "leaders" are BALL-LESS!!)
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To: Paul R.
Does this qualify as an act of war?<

Yes. A blockade is an "act of war" -- whether passive (as in this case) or active.

But I think we're well past that...

33 posted on 03/06/2014 8:09:17 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: tcrlaf

One of Putin’s “Cash for Clunkers” ships.

Now swimming with the fishes, KGB style.


34 posted on 03/06/2014 8:12:37 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: artichokegrower

Yep!


35 posted on 03/06/2014 8:15:35 PM PST by sport
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To: Jet Jaguar

A Kara would have been a butt-kicker back in the day....according to Harpoon


36 posted on 03/06/2014 8:17:18 PM PST by AppyPappy
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To: okie01

That’s what I thought.

Talk about “In your face”...


37 posted on 03/06/2014 8:17:41 PM PST by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

LOL


38 posted on 03/06/2014 8:28:01 PM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: artichokegrower

This article gives a better perspective (through pictures and article) of the Ochakov.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/russia-sinks-ship-to-block-ukrainian-navy-entry-to-black-sea-20140307-hvghs.html


39 posted on 03/06/2014 8:51:39 PM PST by HippyLoggerBiker (Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite and furthermore always carry a small snake.)
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To: artichokegrower

does this prevent NATO assets from entering the black sea?


40 posted on 03/06/2014 9:27:00 PM PST by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: Lazamataz

Anatov?


41 posted on 03/06/2014 9:28:52 PM PST by miserare (2014--The Year We Fight Back!)
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To: miserare

It could happen.


42 posted on 03/06/2014 9:29:22 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: RC one

no, we have a DD enroute into there through the Bosporus. bigger question is, will USN assets in the Black Sea be targets for Russian missiles and land based air.


43 posted on 03/06/2014 10:33:18 PM PST by RitchieAprile
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To: Viennacon

What are the bright colored objects?


44 posted on 03/07/2014 12:58:33 AM PST by fso301
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To: Noob1999

It has been about 4 years since I toured the harbor at Sevastopol
t that time both fleets looked poorly with the heavier stuff laid up
Fleet auxiliaries looked all right but the shipyards weren’t working


45 posted on 03/07/2014 4:23:11 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Army Air Corps

reports are now that they sank 2 ships


46 posted on 03/07/2014 6:22:20 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: RC one

The Russians only blocked a passage from an inlet / harbor / “lake” to the Black Sea. If you look at Google Maps (etc.) for Donuzlav Lake, Crimea, you can see the obvious spot to block.


47 posted on 03/07/2014 8:36:14 AM PST by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: Paul R.

I probably should not say “only”. It’s still a big “in your face” act of war.


48 posted on 03/07/2014 8:38:41 AM PST by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

WHOA I wonder this accident it was just set up


49 posted on 03/07/2014 8:48:19 AM PST by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

So the ship is Fredo LOL!


50 posted on 03/07/2014 8:48:55 AM PST by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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