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Oversight lawmaker: Holding Lois Lerner in contempt is ‘where we’re moving’ (A House End Run?)
The Daily Caller ^ | 3-6-2014 | Patrick Howley

Posted on 03/06/2014 7:15:56 PM PST by smoothsailing

March 6, 2014

Oversight lawmaker: Holding Lois Lerner in contempt is ‘where we’re moving’

Patrick Howley

The House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform is moving in the direction of holding ex-IRS official Lois Lerner in contempt of Congress sooner rather than later, committee member Rep. Jim Jordan told The Daily Caller.

“I think that’s where we’re moving,” Jordan said. “I think that’s where this is headed.”

Jordan added that he feels holding Lerner in contempt is “the right thing to do.”

An Oversight Committee staffer confirmed that a contempt charge is being considered.

Lerner invoked the Fifth Amendment on each question Issa asked about the agency’s targeting of conservative groups at an Oversight hearing Wednesday morning. The hearing lasted approximately fifteen minutes before Issa released Lerner.

Issa began the hearing by explaining that Lerner previously waived her Fifth Amendment rights in a May 2013 hearing and that “the committee may proceed to consider whether she be held in contempt.”

Lerner sat for a “Q&A” with the Department of Justice but was not under oath, Lerner’s attorney Bill Taylor told TheDC Wednesday.

“She sat for a long, unconditional Q&A with prosecutors and members of the inspector general’s staff,” Taylor said, but her interview will not be made public.

“It was not under oath,” Taylor admitted, maintaining that it would have been illegal for Lerner to have made false statements at the meeting: “You can’t lie to a federal investigator.”

“We haven’t heard anything back” from DOJ regarding the meeting, Taylor said. “I don’t expect we will.”

Obama political donor Barbara Bosserman is leading DOJ’s investigation, which has been roundly criticized by people close to the case.

Taylor claimed that Lerner was fully willing to testify in one week but not at Wednesday’s Oversight hearing. The purpose of the “one-week delay” Taylor proposed to Oversight was to give Lerner, who has been under subpoena since May 2013, “a breather.”

If the full House of Representatives chooses to cite Lerner for contempt, the case would be referred to the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia who would be obligated to send the case on to a grand jury. The House can also use the “inherent contempt” process which would allow the House to conduct the case itself without a grand jury, though this process was last used in 1934.



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: contempt; darrellissa; irs; jimjordan; loislerner; oversight
First I've read about the "inherent contempt" process available to the House.
1 posted on 03/06/2014 7:15:56 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

This is like a time warp...


2 posted on 03/06/2014 7:20:07 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: smoothsailing

The DOJ “Q&A” sounds more like a debriefing.

Referring this to the US Attorney is an abdication by the House of their power. There’s no reason for the House to punt.


3 posted on 03/06/2014 7:22:24 PM PST by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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To: smoothsailing

Nixon had hush money to pay the plumbers. Obama will cover her legal fees, and more


4 posted on 03/06/2014 7:25:35 PM PST by dontreadthis
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To: smoothsailing

Can she get jail time?


5 posted on 03/06/2014 7:26:06 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: smoothsailing

Talk, talk, talk..........where the hell is the walk, walk, walk?


6 posted on 03/06/2014 7:26:16 PM PST by House Atreides
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To: Ray76

I don’t think the House “referred” her to it. Earlier I read that several Reps were very upset and asked why she was willing to chat so freely with the DOJ people and yet refused to say anything and took the Fifth at the House session.


7 posted on 03/06/2014 7:31:11 PM PST by livius
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To: livius

Go look at the bold faced last paragraph, that’s what I was talking about.


8 posted on 03/06/2014 7:34:22 PM PST by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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To: Ray76

Oh, sorry, I thought you meant her - well, I guess it’s not “testimony” - at a meeting with DOJ people she had after the hearing.


9 posted on 03/06/2014 7:35:37 PM PST by livius
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To: House Atreides

‘Rat lite. Not one dimes worth of difference.


10 posted on 03/06/2014 7:35:50 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: livius

No worries! I just hope they don’t wash their hands and go with the US Atny. That would be the last straw, I could never vote for a Rep after that. I would not vote rather than support such incompetence and/or complicity.

This is just IRS. What about F&F, NSA, Benghazi, Extortion17?????


11 posted on 03/06/2014 7:39:30 PM PST by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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To: livius
Translation: "She'll talk freely to the new government, but refuses to say anything to the old government (and we the people)"

How long will it be before America realizes we have two governments? One is a hollow shell serving as a facade for the other, Fascist one.

12 posted on 03/06/2014 7:40:01 PM PST by CivilWarBrewing
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To: Ray76

Exactly, the House does not need the cooperation of DOJ or the DC DA. They have it within their power to act unilaterally under the inherent contempt process. They can hold Lerner in jail, convene themselves as a jury, hear charges, pass judgement, and pronounce punishment if they so choose. It’s all been done before and it’s been upheld by the Supreme Court. They have the power. At least that’s the way I read it.


13 posted on 03/06/2014 7:44:16 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

Google produces some articles about this from previous cases, including when Holder thumbed his nose at Congress.

As I said before and will say again - nothing was done then and there will be nothing of substance done now. In a fair world, men of integrity would charge her with contempt (or a Jack Ryan type would covertly waterboard her!) but these days political expediency trumps integrity every single time.


14 posted on 03/06/2014 7:57:09 PM PST by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: smoothsailing
Exactly, the House does not need the cooperation of DOJ or the DC DA. They have it within their power to act unilaterally under the inherent contempt process.

Thanks for posting this.

That's exactly what the House should do under this little used "inherent contempt" process. When I read earlier that she talked with executive branch investigators but took the 5th with oversight I about gagged. It may be technically legal but it sure as heck is morally right and this is what is wrong with government.

15 posted on 03/06/2014 8:06:57 PM PST by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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To: jazusamo

is = isn’t morally right


16 posted on 03/06/2014 8:08:43 PM PST by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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To: smoothsailing

If Lois Lerner had carried out the IRS’s vendetta against Conservative groups on her own, she would have been fired. The president would have had no compunction about throwing her under the bus, as he’s done with so many others, for tainting his presidency with a major political scandal.

But of course, Lois Lerner didn’t act alone. Why else would she take the Fifth Amendment except to protect her higher-ups, almost certainly including the president, who directed her to use the IRS against Conservative groups to help Obama win the 2012 election?

If Lois Lerner does NOT tell the truth to Congress, she will go to jail for perjury when the truth of the White House’s involvement inevitably comes out. On the other hand, if she DOES tell the truth, she will implicate the president in an impeachable offense — which Obama’s Chicago-mafia friends must be threatening her against doing in very dire terms. Taking the Fifth is exactly how lower mob functionaries like Lois Lerner solve this dilemma.

It’s not about Lois Lerner — it’s about the President. And it’s the duty of Congress, in our system of checks and balances, to get to the bottom of this executive-branch crime. If the Republicans in Congress fail to do this, it will be they who deserve contempt, more so than a relatively low-level apparatchick in the IRS who carried out orders and is being threatened if she divulges the truth.


17 posted on 03/06/2014 8:16:20 PM PST by Bluestocking
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To: Bluestocking

Video of the Kelly file with Cleta Mitchell who learned that Lerner has been talking to the DOJ for the past 6 months.

HUH? Lois Lerner pleads the 5th to Congress, but she has been talking to DOJ investigators

http://therightscoop.com/huh-lois-lerner-pleads-the-5th-to-congress-but-she-has-been-talking-to-doj-investigators/

GOP rips Lerner for talking to feds
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3130480/posts


18 posted on 03/06/2014 8:27:14 PM PST by Whenifhow
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To: smoothsailing

Throw her in jail until she starts talking.


19 posted on 03/06/2014 8:30:28 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smoothsailing

The House is too busy holding America in contempt...


20 posted on 03/06/2014 8:37:24 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Bluestocking

“She will go to jail for perjury”....

I wish but don’t think so. Gerald Ford pardoned Nixon before “jail” got anywhere near him. Obama will do,the same.

He has to. She can hang him (figuratively speaking).

He will do the same for Holder and several others.


21 posted on 03/06/2014 8:47:11 PM PST by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: jazusamo

My guess is Lerner’s lawyer Taylor is quietly behind the scenes trying to negotiate a deal with Issa. It sure looks like Lerner is on very shaky ground.

She clams up to Issa but sings like a canary to the DOJ? I don’t see how that peculiarity can go on unresolved and her invoking the 5th can be justified.

Issa keeps giving her more rope and DOJ is content to see her hang herself.

Inherent contempt is one way to bring this to a head, and I can’t imagine Lerner’s attorney wants to see that happen.


22 posted on 03/06/2014 8:54:12 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

I think she has cut her deal with the administration and has nothing to fear.


23 posted on 03/06/2014 9:06:25 PM PST by ArtDodger
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To: ArtDodger
I think she has cut her deal with the administration and has nothing to fear.

She may well think she has, but the administration does not honor deals, promises, or anything else it finds suddenly troublesome and inconvenient. So she has plenty to fear, whether she knows it or not.

24 posted on 03/06/2014 9:15:29 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

They should use any “process” available and string up as many of these communist rats as they can.


25 posted on 03/07/2014 1:05:38 AM PST by Bullish (America should yank Obama like a rotten tooth before he poisons the entire body)
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To: smoothsailing; Fred Nerks; Beckwith

Just when Lois is about to talk, she will have a sailing accident on the Potomoc and drown with her hand on the presidential tiller.


26 posted on 03/07/2014 2:33:51 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: smoothsailing

From your lips to God’s ears...


27 posted on 03/07/2014 2:35:47 AM PST by ArtDodger
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To: smoothsailing

EVERY person who sat in on the meeting from the “Just Us” Dept. are CRIMINALS since they are PROTECTING OTHER CRIMINALS, LERNER, Obama etal.


28 posted on 03/07/2014 3:04:56 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: House Atreides

Exactly!


29 posted on 03/07/2014 5:08:11 AM PST by blaveda
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To: smoothsailing
My guess is Lerner’s lawyer Taylor is quietly behind the scenes trying to negotiate a deal with Issa.

I believe your scenario is most plausible.

It would explain the dust up about Issa saying Lerner would testify Wednesday and then Taylor coming out and denying it.

Taylor clearly lied because there were emails between his office and Issa's that confirmed she would testify.

30 posted on 03/07/2014 8:18:01 AM PST by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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