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America Evolving: Six Californias
Poletical ^ | March 2nd, 2014 | T. Carter

Posted on 03/06/2014 8:09:07 PM PST by PingPongChampion

California's unemployment rate hovers around 10% with over 1.5 million members of the labor force without work. The state's debt sits at an astronomical $419 billion and is expected to surpass $420 billion by the end of 2014. As of today's date, California spends $72 billion more than it takes in. Dividing California into six separate states could also result in the state's current debt being divided into more manageable segments. More importantly, dividing California could alleviate the state's looming tax burden.

One of Draper's intentions is to create a new and competitive environment between the six states. Each region of California has its own priorities, such as the south and its concerns about immigration. A competition and division of priorities could solve California's most problematic situations, like aging infrastructure and declining education. According to Draper, each new state could address the problems that are unique to its residents without bearing the burden of improving the state's other regions.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; conservative; gop; hollywood; sixcalifornias

1 posted on 03/06/2014 8:09:08 PM PST by PingPongChampion
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To: PingPongChampion
Hah. Another "split" California movement.
Ain't gonna work THIS time either.

California is the 9TH largest economy in the world. There is PLENTY of money here. One DOES have to work for it, though.

The "yellow brick road" is in another part of the galaxy.

2 posted on 03/06/2014 8:13:03 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: PingPongChampion; cloudmountain

Yes, let’s give them 10 more US Senators, that’ll solve a lot of problems.


3 posted on 03/06/2014 8:14:29 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: PingPongChampion
Dividing California into six separate states could also result in the state's current debt being divided into more manageable segments. More importantly, dividing California could alleviate the state's looming tax burden. One of Draper's intentions is to create a new and competitive environment between the six states. Each region of California has its own priorities, such as the south and its concerns about immigration. A competition and division of priorities could solve California's most problematic situations, like aging infrastructure and declining education. According to Draper, each new state could address the problems that are unique to its residents without bearing the burden of improving the state's other regions.
Golgafrincham was a planet, once home to the Great Circling Poets of Arium. The descendants of these poets made up tales of impending doom about the planet. The tales varied; some said it was going to crash into the sun, or the moon was going to crash into the planet. Others said the planet was to be invaded by twelve-foot piranha bees and still others said it was in danger of being eaten by an enormous mutant star-goat. These tales of impending doom allowed the Golgafrinchans to rid themselves of an entire useless third of their population. The story was that they would build three Ark ships. Into the A ship would go all the leaders, scientists and other high achievers. The C ship would contain all the people who made things and did things, and the B ark would hold everyone else, such as hairdressers and telephone sanitizers. They sent the B ship off first, but of course the other two-thirds of the population stayed on the planet and lived full, rich and happy lives until they were all wiped out by a virulent disease contracted from a dirty telephone.
-- The Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy

4 posted on 03/06/2014 8:14:31 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: PingPongChampion

No. No way I want those idiots getting ten more senators.


5 posted on 03/06/2014 8:15:22 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Yes, let’s give them 10 more US Senators, that’ll solve a lot of problems.

Six states? You KNOW that isn't going to happen.

Besides problems are part and parcel of the human condition. One gets solved and six more pop up. You know that too. Or do you, for some reason, expect human nature to change?

Abraham Lincoln said: Human action can be modified to some extent, but human nature cannot be changed.

6 posted on 03/06/2014 8:22:02 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: ThunderSleeps
No way I want those idiots getting ten more senators

But what if they lump all the blue counties together for one "state" and then divide up all the red counties to make up five red states?

7 posted on 03/06/2014 8:28:23 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Which three are going to be “ New New Mexicos “...


8 posted on 03/06/2014 8:32:20 PM PST by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: cloudmountain
2012 Calif Presidential election by county

It would break up 55 solid democrat electoral votes, which makes the plan worth considering.

9 posted on 03/06/2014 8:34:25 PM PST by Michael.SF. (I never thought anyone could make Jimmy Carter look good in comparison.)
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To: Kozak
Which three are going to be “ New New Mexicos “...

I'd just give them one...including the cities. In fact just cede it back to Mexico and let them destroy it. That way they don't get any senators or votes.

Give them all the city real estate and some connective thin ribbons to contain the main roadways between them.

Of course keep the beaches and farmland.

10 posted on 03/06/2014 8:39:44 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: cloudmountain

Just ten years ago, California was the 5th largest economy in the world. Democrat policies in state, Illegal immigration, and the Obama administration have been the gifts that keep on giving.

If we’re lucky, we’ll remain the top 20 world economies.


11 posted on 03/06/2014 8:43:54 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: Michael.SF.

Tell you what bud. The next time a Republican actually campaign vigorously in the state, I may actually give a damn about our 55 electoral votes. They sure as hell don’t.


12 posted on 03/06/2014 8:45:21 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Just ten years ago, California was the 5th largest economy in the world. Democrat policies in state, Illegal immigration, and the Obama administration have been the gifts that keep on giving.
If we’re lucky, we’ll remain the top 20 world economies.

I remember when we were the THIRD largest economy in the world.

You are 100% correct about the "gifts that keep on giving."

13 posted on 03/06/2014 8:48:01 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

Angers me it does...

Thanks for the mention.


14 posted on 03/06/2014 8:49:03 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: Michael.SF.

Judging by that map, I think (can’t be sure without crunching county population figures) that this plan would create three blue states, one red state and two purple states.


15 posted on 03/06/2014 8:50:13 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Michael.SF.

It is definitely bluer than it was a few years ago. I would love to retire in or around Crescent City, with giant redwoods in my backyard, but as it is now, as soon as I am retired I will be getting the hell out of this mess.


16 posted on 03/06/2014 8:54:30 PM PST by Yogafist
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To: Yogafist

we made the move last year from Solano County


17 posted on 03/06/2014 8:57:47 PM PST by Michael.SF. (I never thought anyone could make Jimmy Carter look good in comparison.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Let's hope the GOP doesn't come up with another Mormon. I threw away my vote that year.

The Mormon faith believes that Jesus and Lucifer were BROTHERS. How IN THE WORLD could I EVER vote for a Mormon?? They are nuts.

They DENY that Jesus was God, believing that HE was also a created creature, like Lucifer. Lucifer was just an angel, a beloved angel, the "light bearer." Jesus was/is/always will be GOD. How wrong can they be?

Oh well. Not a thing I can do about it.

18 posted on 03/06/2014 8:57:48 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: PingPongChampion
I see but two Californicators types (well maybe four given the two types that leave the State.)

Statists and Constitutionalists.

19 posted on 03/06/2014 9:36:25 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

Three types, not two. Constitutionalists, statists, and innocents fooled by the statists. Or, low info voters.


20 posted on 03/06/2014 9:52:24 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: cloudmountain
I find the Mormon bashing on this forum quite disturbing. As a Jew, I could make an argument that Christians are just as strange and weird in their beliefs as you make the Mormons out to be. Every Mormon I have ever met has been nothing but gracious and kind. They are taught from a young age to be self sufficient, prepared, devoted to family, and have a very keen business sense which is more than I can say for the average American. Who cares if they believe Jesus and Lucifer were brothers? You Christians and Mormons believe in hell, that is silly as there is no such thing as hell. Does this disqualify all Christians from getting my vote? Absolutely not, as whether there is or is not a hell makes no difference when deciding who is POTUS. Is there no room here for minor differences in insignificant religious beliefs. Christians and Mormons have far more in common than maybe you care to admit. Romney was by no means perfect or even a conservative. If he had won, maybe, just maybe, if nothing else we would be on a path to monetary and fiscal policy. This does not disqualify his obvious faults and I'm not gonna make the argument excusing them either. All I am saying is Romney was a far better human being than the sub human piece of garbage we have now.

Just for the record I wanted Palin, Cain, or Bachmann in 2012. Although Gingrich is an incredibly flawed big govt Republican, I wanted him in the debates against Barry Soetero to expose him in front of the entire world as the complete phony and fabricated know nothing fraud we all know him to be as Newt can sound like a true conservative when he wants to.

In all seriousness, those of us that stayed at home in 2012 secured all 3 branches of government to the DemocRATS for the foreseeable future. I predict we will lose the House in 2014 and the White House in 2016. Soetero has succeeded in creating a dependent majority underclass.

Back to the point, all people of faith need to band together to defeat Muslims, atheists, radical homosexuals(obviously I am not one of these), environmentalists, scientologists, communists, nazis, socialists, greens, and democrats. (I know socialists, greens, communists, and nazis all = democrats as there is no difference).

So how about we limit our bashing to those that would subjugate us and not base that assumption on things that don't matter like wearing special underwear.

21 posted on 03/06/2014 10:24:25 PM PST by TheArizona
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To: PingPongChampion

Draper is brilliant but, this idea is looney.

Cept when you think of how he would benefit from the whole thing.


22 posted on 03/07/2014 1:57:04 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: DoughtyOne

We’re number 8 and nuttin’s gonna change dat...


23 posted on 03/07/2014 1:58:22 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Yogafist

I’m checking out as well.

I think I’ll go to Nevada.

I’ll save 9+% in taxes and for the money I make that ain’t chump change and will pay for more toys.

My brother is considering the same thing.

We’ll only be 4 hours, by car, from anywhere I want to be..


24 posted on 03/07/2014 2:00:45 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Vendome

If this happens, Odumbo’s going to get his 57 states and more. He can then brag about his accomplishments and say it was always part of his plan for “Change”.


25 posted on 03/07/2014 5:02:49 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: Progov

Life’s tough but, I just learned that the woman who has damned near killed a good friend is here from Mexico.

Now, it’s trite or gauche to say this but, I just learned that illegal alien made an illegal and hasty U-turn in front of my friend.

Mind you he was wearing a helmet, while riding his motorcycle.

He was pronounced, as of yesterday, to be at Maximum Medical Improvement.

That is: he is awake as much as 35 minutes a day, cannot speak or move, his doctors have diagnosed that he will live like this the rest of his life..

She had no license, her car wasn’t tagged, she is here illegally, she pretended not to speak English afterward and the Pièce de résistance?

NO INSURANCE!!!!

She did receive a ticket for an illegal turn though.


26 posted on 03/07/2014 8:23:39 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Progov

FK’d up.

Any American who did this would be in jail, their car impounded and a lawsuit would ensue.

Nothing will happen to this protected class, who has supra rights over a citizen of the United States.


27 posted on 03/07/2014 8:25:07 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: cloudmountain

Your understanding matches mine. I can’t agree with that.

Jesus was a part of the Holy Trinity.

God the Father
The Son of God Jesus
The Holy Spirit

I may not quite grasp how Jesus was God’s Son, but I am told that He was and I accept it.

There are a number of things I expect to ask about and have explained to me in heaven regarding religion.

My take on all this is that there are probably fine people of many different religions. They may not believe as you and I do on religion, by they have high moral fiber and are living up to what they believe in.

As long as they do have high moral fiber, and don’t believe in something that would destroy Christianity in the process, I could vote for them.

As for Romney, the guy was just too much of a go along to get along guy for me. Having said that, just about 250 million adult humans would have been better than the idiot stick we have in there now.


28 posted on 03/07/2014 2:58:42 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: Michael.SF.

Breaking up the state would cause CHAOS!! Not worth it to ME.


29 posted on 03/07/2014 6:52:51 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: TheArizona
all people of faith need to band together to defeat Muslims, atheists, radical homosexuals(obviously I am not one of these), environmentalists, scientologists, communists, nazis, socialists, greens, and democrats. (I know socialists, greens, communists, and nazis all = democrats as there is no difference).

Why do ALL PEOPLE of faith have to defeat Muslims? ALL Muslims? Are ALL Muslims to be condemned? I would HATE to see the wonderful Saudi folks I worked with DEFEATED because of your hatred of AN ENTIRE people whose faith you deprecate.

Do we have to defeat AMERICAN Muslims too? The world is now 6+ BILLION people and only a third of ONE billion Arabs in the world, all Muslims of course. So, MOST Muslims are not Arabs, but are THEY also condemned outright? All the women, children, holy men, EVERYONE?

Sounds ... well, never mind, you get my drift. Shame on you.

30 posted on 03/07/2014 7:15:44 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: DoughtyOne
Your understanding matches mine. I can’t agree with that.
Jesus was a part of the Holy Trinity.
God the Father
The Son of God Jesus
The Holy Spirit
I may not quite grasp how Jesus was God’s Son, but I am told that He was and I accept it.

NO ONE can "grasp" Jesus. We accept Him because we have the God-given gift of faith.
I consider myself EXTREMELY lucky to be gifted so.

There are a number of things I expect to ask about and have explained to me in heaven regarding religion.
I have several questions for our Lord as well.

My take on all this is that there are probably fine people of many different religions. They may not believe as you and I do on religion, by they have high moral fiber and are living up to what they believe in.
As long as they do have high moral fiber, and don’t believe in something that would destroy Christianity in the process, I could vote for them.

The high moral fiber is the crux of it all. ALL civilizations have this high moral fiber as their goal. They may not all live up to it, but I acquit those civilizations of deliberate malice.

As for Romney, the guy was just too much of a go along to get along guy for me. Having said that, just about 250 million adult humans would have been better than the idiot stick we have in there now.
"the idiot stick"??
Lol. You have NAILED it yet again. Bravo!

31 posted on 03/07/2014 7:47:11 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

Islam demands conversion or death of all non believers. While there may be a few so called “moderates”, the goal of Islam is the same as any nazi, communist, socialist, democrat, or any other totalitarian ideology, the complete subjugation of every man, woman, and child to be exploited to serve the evil purposes of an elite few.

Shame on yourself.


32 posted on 03/07/2014 9:01:54 PM PST by TheArizona
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To: cloudmountain
Breaking up the state would cause CHAOS!!

How would you be able to tell?

33 posted on 03/07/2014 9:38:23 PM PST by Michael.SF. (I never thought anyone could make Jimmy Carter look good in comparison.)
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To: TheArizona

Damn well said, that. Thank you.


34 posted on 03/07/2014 9:43:25 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: TheArizona
Islam demands conversion or death of all non believers. While there may be a few so called “moderates”, the goal of Islam is the same as any nazi, communist, socialist, democrat, or any other totalitarian ideology, the complete subjugation of every man, woman, and child to be exploited to serve the evil purposes of an elite few.

You are so wrong. My husband and I lived in Saudi Arabia for five years and we worked with Saudis for all five years.

NEVER once was I told to convert to Islam. NEVER once was it EVER suggested to me to convert.

In fact, we had a priest, vicar (for the six Anglicans on camp) and Protestant minister (for all the various Protestant denominations) living on our camp. They were officially called "special teachers." THAT is where I picked up the habit of DAILY MASS....imagine.
My co-worker (Harry, an Indian Catholic) got very annoyed with me for going to Sunday 9:00 A.M. Mass because it cut into my work day...EVEN THOUGH I made up the time during my lunch hour. The "holy day" was Friday so all "Sunday" services were on Friday, except the Catholic one because Catholics have DAILY Mass. So, my co-worker told on me to my Saudi boss. I will never forget what Mohammad Hussein said:

He said: "Harry, God is number one. There is always time for God. Mary (not my real name) can go to pray any time she wants to."

Hah, I don't know WHOSE jaw dropped open farther or faster, Harry's or mine. So I did attend Sunday Mass, and since I was ALLOWED to, I went to DAILY Mass. It's a habit I still have today, 30 years later. Thank you, Mohammad Hussein! NOT ONE SINGLE SAUDI thought I should be a Muslim. We WERE "people of the Book," and were therefore acceptable.

Jews were also people of the Book. We had a Jewish physical therapist in the KSA. The HINDUS weren't welcome in Saudi Arabia because they weren't people of the Book (the Bible, of course), only Indians of the Book.

So PLEASE try not to paint ALL Muslims with your anti-Muslim paint brush! Thanks.

35 posted on 03/08/2014 3:36:28 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: Michael.SF.
MY WORDS: Breaking up the state would cause CHAOS!!

YOUR WORDS: How would you be able to tell?

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Lol. My, my, do I detect a bit of an ANTI-California attitude here?
*Snowed in again, are you?
**Having to use your snow bank as a refrigerator again?
***Car won't start?
****Found a hole in your mitten?
*****Hot chocolate too weak?

It's a beautiful day here in California (Bay Area) but then, you probably GUESSED that.

I don't even HAVE a parka, mittens, snow boots, snow hat or cap, whatever you call it, and my cars ALWAYS start. BRRRRRRRR!!!

36 posted on 03/08/2014 3:48:17 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain
SF = San Francisco

I am third generation Californian (grandmother from Rutherford, Grandfather from Tulare).

I have lived in the Bay Area for the past 22 years (until six months ago).

Today, I type this pool side, just having planted my tomatoes.

37 posted on 03/08/2014 4:07:31 PM PST by Michael.SF. (I never thought anyone could make Jimmy Carter look good in comparison.)
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To: Michael.SF.
I am third generation Californian (grandmother from Rutherford, Grandfather from Tulare).
I have lived in the Bay Area for the past 22 years (until six months ago).
Today, I type this pool side, just having planted my tomatoes.

Well, as they say, YOU HAVE IT MADE IN THE SHADE.

We grew tomatoes (green onions and lettuce) in our back yard in San Francisco, in half barrels. My husband MADE these nifty wire protectors, like a "hat" for the half barrel to protect the tomatoes from ALL living creatures: bugs, snails, birds, skunks, raccoons, and back then, even a few deer in the woods (in our city green belt) across the street.

Our back yard faced DUE SOUTH and had protection from all wind. There was ALWAYS plenty of light.

Any kind of onion is GREAT to grow. There's not an animal alive that will eat onions: PURE human food.

38 posted on 03/08/2014 4:23:35 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

I will paint all Islam with a broad brush as their book the quran demands either I convert to Islam or be killed or live under its subjugation. I don’t give a rats ass if individual followers of Islam don’t act upon this on their own. If a mullah or some other Islamic authority figure ordered them to do so they would carry it out.

Lets not forget our light hearted banter began with you painting all Mormons with a broad brush. But no where in their book does it say to execute those unwilling to convert. They do have an aggressive recruiting/conversion program as do most if not all the various Christian sects. Jews do not seek to recruit or convert. Either way the alternative to conversion is not death with Mormons and Christians. The only alternatives to Islam are to become one, be subjugated by them, die, or defeat them. Quran 8:39, 9:29, 9:5, 9:11, 9:56, 9:57. The verses above prove my point

Islam is not a religion, it is a blood thirsty ideology like any other form of totalitarianism.

I find your vigorous defense of Islam troubling and your condemnation of Mormons equally troubling.


39 posted on 03/09/2014 8:53:38 AM PDT by TheArizona
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