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Report: Putin threatens to use Ukrainian women, children, as human shields
bizpacreview.com ^ | March 6, 2014 | Michael Dorstewitz

Posted on 03/06/2014 11:17:30 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper

“We don’t want to do it, but we will, we will do it only in order to protect Ukrainian citizens. We will put their women and children in front of our troops, not behind, but in front and we will be hiding our solders behind them. I dare any Ukrainian commander to give an order to shoot at such crowd.”

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1 posted on 03/06/2014 11:17:30 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Did Putin convert to Islam?


2 posted on 03/06/2014 11:22:23 PM PST by Reaganez
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Are they going to dump babies out of incubators?


3 posted on 03/06/2014 11:24:00 PM PST by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Protecting citizens by putting their babies and girls in the line of fire? Logical.

And protecting them from... The troops with guns on them?? Hmmm.


4 posted on 03/06/2014 11:26:24 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Someone is playing some fun translation games. The remarks appear to be nothing of the sort that are claimed. Sounds like it was actually braggadocio on Putin’s part that if Ukraine moved against Crimean Russians, they would find Ukrainians there standing in front of Russian troops,,,protecting them, because they sympathize with them.

His remarks were made publically, so there should be little debate as to what he actually said.

I’m amazed to see war propaganda everywhere all the sudden. I almost think the west actually wants a war with Russia in their backyard. It’s just insane.


5 posted on 03/06/2014 11:27:44 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino

They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.


6 posted on 03/06/2014 11:28:43 PM PST by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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To: Ray76

And German soldiers are catching Belgian babies on bayonets for fun! Remember the Lusitania,,,


7 posted on 03/06/2014 11:28:51 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino

The bam regime is spoiling for a fight to take all the domestic scandals off the front page.


8 posted on 03/06/2014 11:29:29 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: SpaceBar

They certainly are! I don’t believe a word that comes out of the regime. They’re furiously fanning the flames.


9 posted on 03/06/2014 11:31:52 PM PST by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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To: Reaganez

Probably not, but he is out to reassemble the Soviet Union, and possibly more.


10 posted on 03/06/2014 11:32:36 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Ray76

Adolf Hitler used the fog of war to conceal his genocidal end game. The bam is trying to do the same to conceal his destruction of the United States.


11 posted on 03/06/2014 11:37:05 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: Ray76

It’s amazing to see this happening again,,,. Russia established its navy base in Sevastopol in 1783 and had it for a few centuries. It was their main base in the Soviet era. The city underwent a siege by the Nazis with their giant rail mounted monster guns. Its silly to pretend this is a design to attack Poland or something.

And now, we are determined to have a war with Russia, or at least an economic war, to stop Russia from being there. At least that’s what all the beating drums are indicating.

Guess ill hoard more .22 long rifle and another sack of rice in case the silly SOBs in charge actually manage to start a world war and an implosion of the dollar.


12 posted on 03/06/2014 11:40:59 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: SpaceBar

“The bam regime is spoiling for a fight to take all the domestic scandals off the front page.”

Exactly.


13 posted on 03/06/2014 11:42:13 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

This is likely propaganda leaked by our own State Department.

Who knows, next they may have Hillary comparing Putin to Hitler...


14 posted on 03/06/2014 11:43:31 PM PST by Southack (The one thing preppers need from the 1st World? http://tinyurl.com/ktfwljc .)
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To: DesertRhino

Beat me to it.


15 posted on 03/06/2014 11:45:36 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Sounds like typical us government propaganda to get the upper hand in a losing situation.Don’t believe everything you read.


16 posted on 03/06/2014 11:49:15 PM PST by plainshame
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Judge for yourself. This is the offending paragraph, brought to us by none other than Russia Today. (New Pravda)

“We are not going to a war against the Ukrainian people,” he said. “I want you to understand it unambiguously. If we do take a decision, it would only be to protect Ukrainian citizens. Let anybody in the military dare, and they’d be shooting their own people, who would stand up in front of us. Shoot at women and children. I’d like to see anyone try and order such a thing in Ukraine.”

http://rt.com/news/putin-statement-ukraine-russia-743/

17 posted on 03/06/2014 11:49:47 PM PST by Corporate Democrat
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To: Berlin_Freeper

I went to Russia in 1987. It was an incredible experience, and since then I have told people I should go back to see the difference.

Now it’s looking like what I saw then may be readily available to the new generation.


19 posted on 03/06/2014 11:57:17 PM PST by KJC1
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"Let anybody in the military dare, and they’d be shooting their own people, who would stand up in front of us. Shoot at women and children. I’d like to see anyone try and order such a thing in Ukraine.”
Right their - Putin threatens human shields.

"Women and children" no less!

20 posted on 03/07/2014 12:05:13 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Right there - there!


21 posted on 03/07/2014 12:06:11 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

This is such BS. Someone told me the other night that the Ukrainians had burned down 65 synagogues. He watches all these crazy foreign cable channels.


22 posted on 03/07/2014 12:10:39 AM PST by firebrand
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Here is some more anti-Russia propaganda from 18 months ago ...

Putin’s July 4th Message
July 6, 2012
Two Russian strategic nuclear bombers entered the U.S. air defense zone near the Pacific coast on Wednesday and were met by U.S. interceptor jets, defense officials told the Free Beacon.

23 posted on 03/07/2014 12:17:53 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Ray76; All

Who was telling this when about whom and where?


24 posted on 03/07/2014 12:20:54 AM PST by gleeaikin
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To: Berlin_Freeper; Corporate Democrat

Oh, pipe down! You are an old Freeper and should be able to read a text and understand it. Putin is saying that the Ukrainians would stand with the Russians. Right or wrong - probably right in some places, and wrong in most places - but that is all he is saying.

Calm down and stop buying in to all the propaganda!


25 posted on 03/07/2014 12:23:27 AM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: DesertRhino

Please be careful with that DR. The Germans deliberately massacred over 5000 Belgian civilians during their WW1 invasion of Belgium.

It’s good that this particular piece of anti-Putin propaganda is being called out, so kudos for that. But please be careful not to diminish real atrocities.


26 posted on 03/07/2014 12:38:26 AM PST by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: ScaniaBoy; Corporate Democrat

I am very calm and don’t need to pipe down.

Of all the scenarios Putin could come up with - he threatens women and children as human shields.

Who else have we only seen this disgraceful promise from before... hmm... oh yea, Russian allies Saddam Hussein and Iran.

You need to reevaluate your moral compass on just how low you are willing to sink in order to cover for Putin.


27 posted on 03/07/2014 12:38:55 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: agere_contra

Agreed that it smacks of anti-Putin propaganda, but we all know that the enemy is the media. It’s our job to digest all available information and deduce the truth, but we should refrain from infighting.


28 posted on 03/07/2014 12:47:13 AM PST by SpaceBar
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To: Berlin_Freeper; ScaniaBoy
Of course, that is Russia Today's translation and should be questionable at the very least. I wish I could understand Russian myself so I don't have to rely on these translations. Here's Bizpac's version, which sounds a bit biased to me:

“We don’t want to do it, but we will, we will do it only in order to protect Ukrainian citizens. We will put their women and children in front of our troops, not behind, but in front and we will be hiding our solders behind them. I dare any Ukrainian commander to give an order to shoot at such crowd.”

And here's the version from FrontPage Mag:

"Putin: Listen to me. Listen to me carefully. I want you to correctly understand me.

If we reach that decision, only if we reach that decision, it will only be for the defense of Ukrainian citizens, let anyone from the military dare shoot at their own people which we will be behind, not in front but behind, let them try and shoot at women and children.

Let me see who in the Ukraine will give such an order."

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/putin-threatens-to-use-ukrainian-women-and-children-as-human-shields/

And here's the raw video itself, which already has about 80,000 views and some comments that claim to understand what he's saying. (of course, it's Youtube so...who knows)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMuYucxqiJg

29 posted on 03/07/2014 12:50:28 AM PST by Corporate Democrat
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Well, well.....

I don’t cover for Putin, but this is the time to try and keep a clear head and actuallt t-r-y to understand where the different protagonists stand.

However, it is interesting to see how the war psychosis spreads. Even here at FR. It does not bode well.


30 posted on 03/07/2014 12:51:59 AM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Reaganez

Obviously Obama’s puppetmaster MSM is writing propaganda fiction about Putin because he doesn’t approve of the LGBT / pedophile lifestyle.


31 posted on 03/07/2014 12:54:52 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Corporate Democrat

All three translations we see in this thread have Putin saying his military will use human shields for his illegal invasion.

Desperate men say and do desperate things.

The only reasonable discussion about this - is if desperate Putin is starting to crack?

Obviously from all three translations the answer is yes.

Freedom loving people should be very concerned about that.

Making cheap and flippant excuses for Putin is only inviting more serious trouble.


32 posted on 03/07/2014 1:01:27 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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I don’t trust this report. I have a friend who is Russian & is an English teacher in Russia & has been speaking English for 25 years. I will have him watch idea & give detailed translation. I do.tt believe Putin would be dumb enough to say such a thing publicly, not do I believe that is a Russian war strategy in 2014.


33 posted on 03/07/2014 1:04:48 AM PST by ResisTyr ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God " ~Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

”who would stand up in front us ” not ”who we would put up in front us”” duh!


34 posted on 03/07/2014 1:11:16 AM PST by ResisTyr ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God " ~Thomas Jefferson)
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To: ScaniaBoy

war psychosis spreads?

Interesting psycho babble from a Swede posting on an American Conservative forum, while promoting Putin’s illegal invasion as justified and disparaging those opposed to his war.

What does your Swedish psychiatrist say about that?


35 posted on 03/07/2014 1:11:19 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: ResisTyr

I totally agree with you


36 posted on 03/07/2014 1:12:09 AM PST by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: Corporate Democrat

See my last post. I should have an accurate translation by later today. There is 9 hr difference & I’ll be speaking to my friend this afternoon.


37 posted on 03/07/2014 1:17:18 AM PST by ResisTyr ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God " ~Thomas Jefferson)
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”who would stand up in front us ” not ”who we would put up in front us”” duh!
Another cheap excuse. The leader of mighty Russia is expressly talking about using women and children as human shields for his illegal military invasion of Ukraine.
38 posted on 03/07/2014 1:19:04 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Corporate Democrat

FrontPage translation is suspect. Russians dont refer to Ukraine as ”the Ukraine”


39 posted on 03/07/2014 1:22:31 AM PST by ResisTyr ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God " ~Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

You are IRRESPONSIBLE spreading zerObama & Shrillary propaganda!


40 posted on 03/07/2014 1:28:05 AM PST by ResisTyr ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God " ~Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

You tube of Putin making the remarks. Any Russian speakers here? shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMuYucxqiJg


41 posted on 03/07/2014 1:56:08 AM PST by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: Ken H

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMuYucxqiJg


42 posted on 03/07/2014 1:56:52 AM PST by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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obama damage control indeed


43 posted on 03/07/2014 2:14:16 AM PST by The Right wing Infidel
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Either way you look at it Putin’s remarks were deliberate and provoking, he is well schooled in propaganda that causes confusion and division.

As witnessed by the comments on this thread, it works.


44 posted on 03/07/2014 2:47:57 AM PST by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: Ray76

who they? what are you rambling about?


45 posted on 03/07/2014 3:29:48 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: DesertRhino

Are you daft? Putin has started WW3 because we are weak and pussies


46 posted on 03/07/2014 3:30:55 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Putin is extremely dangerous and obama couldn’t fight his way out of a wet paper bag


47 posted on 03/07/2014 3:33:20 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Putin is not desperate, that is stupid


48 posted on 03/07/2014 3:34:18 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Putting civilians in front of Russian troops has been a Soviet war fighting policy for over 70 years. It was done extensively on the eastern front ‘43 - ‘45. Also done in Korea, China and Vietnam.


49 posted on 03/07/2014 4:07:30 AM PST by Justa
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To: Berlin_Freeper

You of course are correct. There is no reason to take counsel with ignorant fools who will sell your freedom and their’s for nothing.


50 posted on 03/07/2014 4:12:00 AM PST by Justa
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