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Cause of death released in teen shot by police with Taser
WPLG-TV ^ | 3/7/14

Posted on 03/07/2014 2:34:35 AM PST by SoFloFreeper

Medical Examiner: Sudden cardiac arrest of Israel Hernandez-Llach was 'accidental'

(Excerpt) Read more at local10.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: criminals; hype; media; vandals
Video at link....The Florida media has been stoking the fires over this crap....kid smoking pot decides to vandalize a building with his spray paint "art". Cops see kid, tell him to stop. Kid runs, cops pursue. Cop tases kid, kid goes into distress. Cops call ambulance, ambulance arrives, but kid dies.

Family blames....cops. Media agrees.

1 posted on 03/07/2014 2:34:35 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

Did the kid threaten the cop? Or is the cop roided out of his mind? Or was he too fat to run and catch him?

Graffiti is wrong, but is it worth killing over? Bean-bagging over? Tazing? Clubbing?

Think about proportionality. If the kid is getting away, oh well. If you got him, great. Other than that, the cop is out of line.


2 posted on 03/07/2014 2:48:30 AM PST by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Problem is that tasers are only supposed to be used as a last resort before drawing a pistol and shooting-—that’s how they were originally sold to the public by LEOs anxious to get them. Unless this tagger had his own gun out and was threatening the cops, then there was no call to use the taser.


3 posted on 03/07/2014 2:51:56 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Ray76

To be concise, unless threatened there is no need for a weapon.


4 posted on 03/07/2014 2:52:02 AM PST by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Well...who shot the kid with a taser?..a bystander?

And it certainly wasn’t an accident.

As an electrician I can assure you...there in no known “safe” threshold of electrocution.

Just because a certain percentage of people survive a cardiac arrhythmia induced by an electrical current...doesn’t mean everyone can...

“less than lethal” is still “more than harmless”

No excuse to the tagging....but tagging or simple fleeing and eluding shouldn’t bring a summery death sentence.


5 posted on 03/07/2014 2:59:24 AM PST by Crim (Palin / West '16)
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To: Ray76

Yep. Tasing him is more than over the top.


6 posted on 03/07/2014 3:37:08 AM PST by arderkrag (An Unreconstructed Georgian, STANDING WITH RAND.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

“Sudden cardiac arrest of Israel Hernandez-Llach was ‘accidental’”
That’s not accidental. It was caused deliberately.


7 posted on 03/07/2014 4:22:47 AM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Sorry, Tasers are NOT NON-LETHAL.
According to the National Institute of Justice, “the risk of death in a Taser-related use-of-force incident in the general population is approximately 0.25 percent (one in 400).”

That’s 1 in 400. Sucks to be in the quarter percent group. And that doesn’t even address the seriously injured cases.


8 posted on 03/07/2014 4:30:16 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Freedom isn't free; nor is it easy. END ALL TOTALITARIAN ACTIVITY NOW.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Cause Of Death Determined For Teen Who Died After Being “Shocked” By Police

MIAMI BEACH (CBSMiami) – The Medical Examiner has determined a cause of death for a teen who died after Miami Beach Police shocked the teen with a Taser last year. CBS4 News has confirmed that the Medical Examiner has ruled the cause of death for Israel Hernandez Llach was “severe cardiac arrest” brought on by the electrical current administered to him by a police Taser.

The death has been ruled “accidental.”

Hernandez Llach’s parents were frustrated Thursday evening because they still had not received the official copy of the report.

“A forensic report. That’s what we need. And where is it,” the elder Israel Hernandez asked.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2014/03/06/cause-of-death-released-for-teen-tasered-by-miami-beach-police/MIAMI

9 posted on 03/07/2014 4:37:21 AM PST by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: BuffaloJack

Seems like pretty low odds to me....certainly lower than bullets in a gun.


10 posted on 03/07/2014 4:51:19 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

> Seems like pretty low odds to me....certainly lower than bullets in a gun.

1:400 seems low to me too. The statistics are from the “Just Us” department. They wouldn’t intentionally give low statistics would they? /s


11 posted on 03/07/2014 4:57:49 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Freedom isn't free; nor is it easy. END ALL TOTALITARIAN ACTIVITY NOW.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
From the UK Daily Mail, August 15, 2013 =>

Police in Miami have not made any of the reports of the incident public, but Officer Thomas Lincoln, who wrote the official incident report said that he did not see Hernandez shot by the Taser.

He said that when he arrived on the scene the teen was 'sitting on the ground and against a wall.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2394851/Israel-Hernandez-Llach-mourners-sob-funeral-teenage-graffiti-artist-died-police-taser.html

12 posted on 03/07/2014 5:07:50 AM PST by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: Ray76
"Graffiti is wrong, but is it worth killing over?"

It depends on whose house is being tagged, I guess.


13 posted on 03/07/2014 5:19:35 AM PST by PLMerite
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To: SoFloFreeper
Do you find it credible that Llach was 'sitting on the ground and against a wall' when the officer arrived on the scene?
14 posted on 03/07/2014 5:26:47 AM PST by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: Ken H

You seem to have missed this from your excerpt:

Thomas Lincoln, who wrote the official incident report said that he did not see Hernandez shot by the Taser.

Perhaps the vandal had been tased before Lincoln arrived? Or, perhaps, the vandal was tased because of behavior AFTER Lincoln’s observation.

The Miami Beach police department has had to deal with all manner of sleazy criminals in the past few years....and they have been targeted by “civil rights” agitators and complainers for a long time.

I get tired of hearing from the apologists of criminals who want to blame cops for the bad choices of their charges.

The police officer in question, in my opinion, did not INTEND to cause the death of this kid. Is it sad that it happened?
Yes. Was it criminal? No.


15 posted on 03/07/2014 5:39:50 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: BuffaloJack
Sorry, Tasers are NOT NON-LETHAL. According to the National Institute of Justice, “the risk of death in a Taser-related use-of-force incident in the general population is approximately 0.25 percent (one in 400).” That’s 1 in 400. Sucks to be in the quarter percent group. And that doesn’t even address the seriously injured cases.

Which means that if cops tase people routinely, deaths will also be routine.

The taser was intended as an alternative to having to subdue a violent criminal by the cop using his baton. (Note to some: if the criminal waves a knife or gun, the cop WILL respond with his gun, not his taser). Cops now tase people in preference to using any other means of compliance, since it reduces the chance of the cop getting bruised or his uniform torn.

16 posted on 03/07/2014 5:41:23 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Crim

As an electrician you should know that the definition of electrocution is “death caused by electricity”. The whole concept of “cution” (ie:death) kinda precludes a safe threshold.


17 posted on 03/07/2014 5:45:12 AM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Timber Rattler

IMO, tasings by police are probably up 1500% since Affirmative Action began compelling them to hire 5 foot 1 females as police officers. They can’t hang with a physical brawl for even a short period. Can’t really blame them as they have no other realistic options.


18 posted on 03/07/2014 5:48:00 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SoFloFreeper

It may be legal, but it seems to me that using a taser in this context is excessive force.


19 posted on 03/07/2014 5:49:50 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

If your property has never been tagged, you can be upset by the actions of the cop. If however your properties have been tagged multiple times, having open season on taggers may not sound like a bad idea.


20 posted on 03/07/2014 5:53:38 AM PST by Enten (I don't have islamophobia...I do have islamonausea)
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To: Enten

Uh, exCUSE me, the media keeps telling us that is ART.

By the way, try going up to a tv news van or station and putting your “ART” upon it....see how lovingly they react.


21 posted on 03/07/2014 8:16:18 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Timber Rattler
Where have you been?

LEOs and school cops use tasers instead of raising their voices, nowadays.

That whole thing about “last resort before physical force”...no longer applicable.
Ask one of them.I did.
They will tell you it is less damaging....

22 posted on 03/07/2014 6:43:56 PM PST by sarasmom (Extortion 17. A large number of Navy SEALs died on that mission. Ask why.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

There was nothing “accidental” about it. The cop pulled the trigger deliberately. He needs prison time and once released, 45 minutes alone with the kids family, no questions asked.


23 posted on 03/07/2014 6:46:40 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker

Very interesting how you can read the mind of a cop. You know intent, eh?

Fascinating.

Who will win next year’s World Series?


24 posted on 03/07/2014 7:29:00 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

The fact that he pulled the trigger on the weapon deliberately is all that’s neede to prove intent. Period. He intended to put 60,000 volts into the kid.

No excuse.

Prison followed by a little “private time” with the parents of the dead kid. That’s justice.


25 posted on 03/07/2014 8:54:10 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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