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Crimea votes to join Russia, Obama orders sanctions
Chicago Tribune ^ | 7/3/14

Posted on 03/07/2014 12:13:04 PM PST by Eleutheria5

SIMFEROPOL, Ukraine — Crimea's parliament voted on Thursday to join Russia, and its Moscow-backed government set a referendum in 10 days, in a dramatic escalation of the crisis over the Ukrainian region that drew a sharp riposte from U.S. President Barack Obama.

Obama ordered sanctions on those responsible for Moscow's military intervention in Ukraine, including bans on travel to the United States and freezing of their U.S. assets.

He echoed European Union leaders and the pro-Western government in Ukraine in declaring that the proposed referendum would violate international law.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: crimea; obama; sanctions; ukraine
Then Brer Rabbit repeated, "I done said 'how do?'" and brandished his fist at the tar baby...
1 posted on 03/07/2014 12:13:04 PM PST by Eleutheria5
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To: Eleutheria5
Obama will be more flexible after his latest vacay.
2 posted on 03/07/2014 12:15:16 PM PST by tractorman (I never miss a chance to tweak a liberal.)
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To: Eleutheria5

Why is this any business of the US?


3 posted on 03/07/2014 12:16:32 PM PST by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: Eleutheria5

Sanctions?

What’s he going to do? Pout and throw a hissy fit? Maybe cut 1 day off a 10 day Spring Break Vacation?


5 posted on 03/07/2014 12:19:41 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Because Obama wants to go down in history as the man who won the cold war and brought Communist Russia to its knees, all for some poor defenseless Crimeans who foolishly voted for secession against the will of the people. This is like one of those pictures of stairs that go around in a circle.


6 posted on 03/07/2014 12:20:09 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Eleutheria5

“He echoed European Union leaders and the pro-Western government in Ukraine in declaring that the proposed referendum would violate international law. “

That wasn’t what they said and did with Kosovo.

Does this mean they are going to give Kosovo back to Serbia?


7 posted on 03/07/2014 12:20:12 PM PST by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Mount Athos

On the other hand, Israel annexing Juda and Samaria will probably be claimed to be against international law. Was it against international law for the Mandate to partition the Jewish homeland into Israel and Transjordan?


8 posted on 03/07/2014 12:22:47 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

It can grow to be more than just a concern. When Hitler marched through Europe, we also thought - not our business. Ended up there anyway, with a lot of preventable losses.


9 posted on 03/07/2014 12:24:21 PM PST by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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To: Eleutheria5; crosslink; caww

https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/status/442031881568387072

Hearing that a couple of journalists have been quite badly beaten up by the self defence units near the Sevastopol base being stormed. Grim.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/.premium-1.578553

Russian soldiers attack Ukrainian military base in Crimea


10 posted on 03/07/2014 12:24:49 PM PST by maggief
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To: maggief

Popcorn?


11 posted on 03/07/2014 12:30:51 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Sanctions?

What’s he going to do?

Obama will refuse to shine Putin's shoes ever again.

12 posted on 03/07/2014 12:31:44 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Eleutheria5

Roland Oliphant @RolandOliphant Evilly menacing atmosphere at base entrance. Cameraman got badly bashed up before we got here pic.twitter.com/57JG2NuNyZ

13 posted on 03/07/2014 12:32:49 PM PST by maggief
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To: Samogon

Russia’s naval base is in Crimea. The Crimea is majority Russian, and has been independent from Kiev (autonomous) since the breakup of the Soviet Union. Side the breakup of the Soviet Union, NATO has been after Ukraine to join. Why? So that NATO can put missiles on Russia’s border.

Russia may be paranoid, but for good reason. The EU has been after Ukraine for 20 years and thought it finally got the prize. Then Russia “stole” it back with a better deal. This is why the EU/NATO is so upset. Putin outfoxed them all.

There is no need for Russia to March on Europe. It controls the energy Europe needs. It can bring the EU to its knees without firing a shot.


14 posted on 03/07/2014 12:34:21 PM PST by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: Mount Athos
Does this mean they are going to give Kosovo back to Serbia?

Obama has already said: "If Serbia likes Kosovo they can keep it."

15 posted on 03/07/2014 12:35:31 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Eleutheria5
I so miss 1938.


16 posted on 03/07/2014 12:35:46 PM PST by cuban leaf
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To: Eleutheria5

We should tell the Russians that we will not be using their Soyuz rockets to travel to the ISS. That is a sanction with some bite to it.


17 posted on 03/07/2014 12:35:57 PM PST by webheart (Watch out for the bots! They will disagree with you!)
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To: Cowboy Bob
Why is this any business of the US?

Now with the parliamentary vote, it isn't.....

18 posted on 03/07/2014 12:37:23 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Was Occam's razor made by Gillette?)
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To: Eleutheria5

I wonder what obama would say if (when) mexico decides to have it’s ILLEGALS declare Cali and Arizona to vote mexico in as it’s supreme power.


19 posted on 03/07/2014 12:37:28 PM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Eleutheria5

Putin laughs at Obama’s “phone and a pen”.


20 posted on 03/07/2014 12:42:16 PM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: Mount Athos

There was extreme civil unrest in Ukraine prior to this because a President was going against the majority view and siding with Russia vs the EU. This led to snipers shooting protestors. That doesn’t sound too far fetch from the guy in the White hut doing again and again what he wants against our wishes. I’m actually surprised people aren’t protesting and causing chaos here. I’m not so sure Obama goons wouldn’t also fire on protestors. At that point, if this country was headed for collapse, I’d like to have the opportunity as a Texan to be able to be independent.


21 posted on 03/07/2014 12:42:17 PM PST by Undecided 2012
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To: Eleutheria5

And he got Bin-Laden. Don’t forget he got Bin-Laden.

And GM is still in business.


22 posted on 03/07/2014 12:43:31 PM PST by cuban leaf
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To: exit82

Putin laughs at Obama’s “phone and a pen”.

 

Indeed.

 

 

23 posted on 03/07/2014 12:45:22 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Cowboy Bob
Curious that of the 27 regions of Ukraine, only Crimea is characterized as The Autonomous Republic of... .

The Russian Federation currently has 21 regions called Republics. In 1954, when the Soviet Union transferred the Autonomous Republic of Crimea to the Ukraine Soviet Socialist Republic did they have the consent of the Russian Federation? What does autonomy mean? Can you imagine that if the United States was composed of 49 states and a Republic of Texas, that perhaps Texas was something special?

This is not like the case of the German-speaking Sudentenland of Czechslovakia which was never a geographically-defined region. The self-proclaimed Province of Sudentenland in 1918 was only a portion of what the German Empire later seized.

As far as I'm concerned, the status if Crimea is an internal Russian matter. However, if the Russians want to return Köningsburg and East Prussia back to Germany, I think we have a deal.

24 posted on 03/07/2014 12:50:10 PM PST by Procyon (Decentralize, degovernmentalize, deregulate, demonopolize, decredentialize, disentitle.)
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To: Navy Patriot
Sanctions?

What’s he going to do?

Obama got really tough and unfriended Putin on Facebook.


25 posted on 03/07/2014 12:50:25 PM PST by Bon of Babble (Don't want to brag...but I can still fit into the earrings I wore in high school!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Obama also has the fags in the military, don't cha know. That has to account for something.
26 posted on 03/07/2014 12:50:26 PM PST by Flavious_Maximus
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To: Cowboy Bob
Exactly right. How would we feel if Russia stationed missiles on the Canadian border?

Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev gave Ukraine a gift in 1954: Crimea, the strategically important peninsula on the northern shores of the Black Sea.

27 posted on 03/07/2014 12:55:09 PM PST by Bon of Babble (Don't want to brag...but I can still fit into the earrings I wore in high school!!)
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To: Bon of Babble

You would never see Ronald Reagan in the Oval Office without coat and tie. The current incumbent has no respect for the dignity of the office.


28 posted on 03/07/2014 12:55:10 PM PST by Procyon (Decentralize, degovernmentalize, deregulate, demonopolize, decredentialize, disentitle.)
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To: freeangel

Probably: We must bow to the inevitable will of the Mexican people, and recognize that there is justice to their claims.


29 posted on 03/07/2014 12:59:00 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Procyon

That was pretty much known in the beginning in 2007 when Obama had his hands around his nuts when the National Anthem was being played as everyone else had their right hand over their heart. This guy has never been my President nor will I address him as such. He an occupier.


30 posted on 03/07/2014 1:01:54 PM PST by Undecided 2012
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To: Cowboy Bob

Because the US entered into an agreement TWICE that the Ukraine was safe from Russia. You want to just say ah well our word means nithing when you agree to give up your self defense weapebs and then when youvget invaded... screw off. Japan should be very worried.


31 posted on 03/07/2014 1:30:55 PM PST by autumnraine
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To: Bon of Babble

As a WSJ writer put it, It’s the JimmahCahtahization of Obammy.


32 posted on 03/07/2014 1:36:42 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: Eleutheria5

The American reaction (and that word is important, by the way), is far too late. Putin outmaneuvered 0bama long ago. He has been pursuing a coherent and logical strategy regarding Ukraine for a long time now. In contrast, the 0bama regime foreign policy is limited to aiding foreign homosexuals in the fight against global warming. Other than that, we have NO foreign policy to speak of. I have compared it to playing electric football on the vibrating metal board. We are watching our pieces wander around and randomly bump into each other without any guidance or direction. There is no sense of the consequences of any decisions they make. And they are reacting two, three or four steps behind every major international event.

Putin is doing what he is doing for one very simple reason; Because he can. In fact, he must be sitting in the Kremlin with Lavrov laughing and saying “It can’t be THIS easy.”

In Russian, of course.


33 posted on 03/07/2014 1:37:36 PM PST by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: Procyon
However, if the Russians want to return Köningsburg and East Prussia back to Germany, I think we have a deal.

They offered; the Germans declined. It seems that Soviets used the Kaliningrad SSR as their toxic waste dump, and now nobody wants to clean up the mess.

34 posted on 03/07/2014 1:40:47 PM PST by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: henkster

I agree 100% but likewise I think if the majority Russian population in a somewhat separate Republic of Crimea has a right to secede if they so vote such.
I would hope that if things in this country became as chaotic as is the Ukraine with complete anarchy you wouldn’t hold it against Texans if they too made the choice of secession, freedom and liberty from an oppressive federal government?


35 posted on 03/07/2014 1:45:24 PM PST by Undecided 2012
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To: Eleutheria5

Yeah, parliamentary vote. According to reports in European press the deputies voted for the legislation without actually reading it. Sound familiar?


36 posted on 03/07/2014 1:51:40 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: Undecided 2012
A lot issues in the dissolution of the Soviet Union are kind of a "gray area." It was not done neat and tidy. The referendum was certainly arranged very quickly, don't you think? I'll bet the ballots were already printed (and marked) a long time ago.

Regardless of whether this is an internal "Russian" matter or act of war, the bottom line is that our regime didn't see it coming. Or did but didn't care because Putin isn't threatening repression of gay moslem Crimeans. It's fait accompli. Putin knows there is nothing we can do about it because he has his bases covered already.

Or, maybe in deference to the Russians I should say, Putin has his king covered, his bishop took to our rook and placed us in check, and it's covered by the queen. 0bama is wondering why all the pieces are not round and black.

37 posted on 03/07/2014 1:59:33 PM PST by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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Here’s an economics 101 from the old math and not that new common core crap which will show you how close we are to the chaos and collapse in the Ukraine.
Do you see those numbers that say growth in GDP is 2.4%. It is a complete fallacy and here is why. Our national GDP is 16 trillion $, of that the fed spends 4 trillion $. The Federal Reserve is infusing the economy with 85 billion/month which is over 1 trillion $. That infusion is 6% of GDP added to national GDP. If the economy grew at 2.4% GDP that means we lost 3.6% GDP.
All the money is going into the stock market to prop it up and give the illusion that all is wonderful.
Soon that guy with the SHTF webpage will be overloaded.


38 posted on 03/07/2014 2:25:06 PM PST by Undecided 2012
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To: Undecided 2012

let’s keep borrowing our way to prosperity.


39 posted on 03/07/2014 4:25:01 PM PST by Undecided 2012
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To: Eleutheria5

It makes me wonder who will own the Sea of Azov?
They going to divide it down the middle with Russia
owning three sides of it?
Interesting...


40 posted on 03/07/2014 4:31:10 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68

Of course if Russia was to take over a northern land corridor to Crimea through Ukraine,
then ALL of it would be in Russia...
Interesting...

Hard to believe they would settle for only a bridge
at Kerch.


41 posted on 03/07/2014 4:34:13 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68

It may be that Obama and the west will belatedly
find out that large oil and gas deposits underlie
the Sea of Azov...
Interesting...


42 posted on 03/07/2014 4:41:29 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Eleutheria5

I’m sure Putin is shaking in his boots/sarc


43 posted on 03/07/2014 6:47:42 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: Eleutheria5

He has more flexibility now that the election’s over. :D


44 posted on 03/08/2014 8:51:09 AM PST by Tzimisce
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