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Paul: We probably can't get rid of 'Obamacare' - [Sep. 21, 2013 9:56 PM EDT ]
AP ^ | Sep. 21, 2013 9:56 PM EDT | THOMAS BEAUMONT

Posted on 03/07/2014 3:04:33 PM PST by SoConPubbie

MACKINAC ISLAND, Mich. (AP) — Republican Sen. Rand Paul says President Barack Obama's health care law probably can't be defeated or gotten rid of. And he's suggesting there are few ways and little time for him and other congressional Republicans to stop it.

Speaking to reporters Saturday at a gathering of Michigan Republicans, the presidential prospect said Republicans in Congress could use votes on measures in the House and in the Senate to come up with compromise legislation that could make the law more palatable. Some provisions, Paul said, include removing caps on health savings account contributions or deductibles for health policies.

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"I'm acknowledging we can't probably defeat or get rid of Obamacare," he said. "But by starting with our position of not funding it, maybe we get to a position where we make it less bad."

(Excerpt) Read more at bigstory.ap.org ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Kentucky; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: democratcare; donkeycare; jackasscare; kentucky; michigan; randnesty; randpaul; randpaultruthfile; ronpaultruthfile
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1 posted on 03/07/2014 3:04:33 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

Juxtapose the lack of leadership by Rand Paul on this issue with the Leadership of Ted Cruz.

They are miles apart in terms of leadership and courage.


2 posted on 03/07/2014 3:05:45 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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3 posted on 03/07/2014 3:06:45 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: SoConPubbie

What a joke. I hope all you liberTopians are proud of this weak purse swinging Paulhroid.


4 posted on 03/07/2014 3:07:11 PM PST by lormand (Inside every liberal is a dung slinging monkey)
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To: SoConPubbie

you mean the ultimate scam and criminal fraud on the American people cannot be killed? Well I guess you all may as well hand in your resignations because we are through with you


5 posted on 03/07/2014 3:07:24 PM PST by ronnie raygun (zippy the a##clown sez..............................)
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To: SoConPubbie
No it has to be scrapped. You can not fix this Frankenstein's monster.
Yes it's going to cost. A lot. But keeping 0bamacare will cost a lot more.

6 posted on 03/07/2014 3:08:11 PM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: SoConPubbie

I really don’t like Rand Paul.


7 posted on 03/07/2014 3:09:16 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: SoConPubbie
He is simply stating the obvious. By the time of the next presidential election the health care sector will have completely made itself over to comply with Obamacare. It will be so deeply embedded in the economy we'll have to hack it out one tentacle at a time, like recovering a building from jungle overgrowth.

For those not paying attention, this is why the last presidential election was critical - it was the last chance for a complete repeal. Those who thought not voting for Romney would teach someone a lesson are going to discover the someone was them.

8 posted on 03/07/2014 3:10:13 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: SoConPubbie

I see no excuse.

This thing is only going to get worse. It should die under its own weight.


9 posted on 03/07/2014 3:11:00 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: SoConPubbie

What the hell is this clown talking about?

A law that passed by screwing with the house rules, and is only still a law because the really obscene parts of it keep getting illegally deferred so as not to PO the Little People before it’s too late?

Tell this Maroon that every “Republican” in the country should be screaming “Repeal Obamacare” at every campaign stop going into 2014 mid-terms.

And MEANING it.

Jeez, is this crap for real? Huh? We live in Putinville where no matter how bad the laws are, they just don’t go away?

Seeya at the voting booth.


10 posted on 03/07/2014 3:11:22 PM PST by Regulator
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To: SoConPubbie

Admitting his own uselessness if not a way to endear the voter.


11 posted on 03/07/2014 3:11:26 PM PST by FAA
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To: SoConPubbie

FUBAR


12 posted on 03/07/2014 3:11:42 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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“Republican Sen. Rand Paul says President Barack Obama’s health care law probably can’t be defeated or gotten rid of.”

Bravo Sierra! Folks said the same thing about Prohibition, and it was a damn Constitutional Amendment. It is going to take guts, grit, and a lot of fight; but, it can be ‘gotten rid of’ if folks like Rand Paul find their backbone and take up that fight.
We are not wrong to expect our elected official to do our bidding, represent us wholly and support the principles of the Founders.
Anything less is capitulation to the whims of the socialists, and the demise of the Nation.


13 posted on 03/07/2014 3:12:26 PM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2016; I pray we make it that long.)
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To: colorado tanker
For those not paying attention, this is why the last presidential election was critical - it was the last chance for a complete repeal. Those who thought not voting for Romney would teach someone a lesson are going to discover the someone was them.

Sorry, Wrong!

Romney stated during the campaign that he didn't want to do away with Obamacare, just retool it to his liking.

He also stated unequivocally that he was OK with the Socialistic Individual Mandate so we know that was going nowhere.

All Romney would have done is implement his own brand of Obamacare, a little less onerous than Obama's and still would have wrecked the best health-care system in the world jut like he did in Massachusetts with RomneyCare.

Get your facts straight before you start on the attack.
14 posted on 03/07/2014 3:13:05 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

FURP!


15 posted on 03/07/2014 3:13:40 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: SoConPubbie
Juxtapose the lack of leadership by Rand Paul on this issue with the Leadership of Ted Cruz.

I am disappointed. We have how many Health-Care Systems? VA, Medicaid, Medicare, The House and Senate's Golden Plan, and now Obamacare.

And he can't come up with a Free-Market Template that all of those could be based on?

Why not let the VA be the Prototype, a VA without walls if you will, In essence a HSA with Concierge Service on the bottom end that was proposed here in Michigan by State Senator Pat Cobeck and add all the other Free-Market Reforms too it to boot?

I can think of this and he Can't?

Beam me up Scotty....

16 posted on 03/07/2014 3:15:03 PM PST by taildragger (The E-GOP won't know what hit them, The Party of Reagan is almost here, hang tight folks....)
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To: SoConPubbie
I do have my facts straight. Romney did say he would repeal. You didn't believe him, but he said it and I think he would have. Had we won the election, he would have had no choice because Congress would have sent him the bill.

His position was inconsistent with what he did in Massachusetts, but I don't care.

17 posted on 03/07/2014 3:17:18 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: SoConPubbie

Get out of the way, Loser.


18 posted on 03/07/2014 3:19:47 PM PST by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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To: colorado tanker

For those not paying attention, this is why the last presidential election was critical - it was the last chance for a complete repeal. Those who thought not voting for Romney would teach someone a lesson are going to discover the someone was them.


Bingo.


19 posted on 03/07/2014 3:21:01 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: VRWC For Truth

If we don’t get rid of Obamacare its going to get rid of us.


20 posted on 03/07/2014 3:21:09 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: SoConPubbie

We got rid if the Medicare Catastrophic Coverage Act of 1988 didn’t we?

http://www.ehow.com/info_7832094_catastrophic-health-care-act-1988.html


21 posted on 03/07/2014 3:21:51 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: trisham

This was from last September before the general public started seeing the effects of the ACA on their personal behalf and the subsequent ground swell of negativity against Obamacare. I would like to see Rand Paul’s current reaction to his September statement and the question posed to him if he feels the same way now, 6 months later, before I decide whether he’s thrown in any towels.


22 posted on 03/07/2014 3:23:03 PM PST by Hatteras
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To: SoConPubbie

If we give the republican the House and Senate, and they don’t repeal this garbage, they then OWN the garbage.


23 posted on 03/07/2014 3:24:36 PM PST by DManA
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To: SoConPubbie

at least he’s being honest but he should have kept that thought to his self.


24 posted on 03/07/2014 3:28:43 PM PST by drypowder
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To: colorado tanker
I do have my facts straight. Romney did say he would repeal. You didn't believe him, but he said it and I think he would have.

No, he stated "Repeal and Replace"

He also stated he wanted the Individual Mandate so we know it was not going to be a free-market solution.

He also stated he liked certain parts of the ObamaCare monstrosity.

Romney: I'll Keep Parts of Obamacare - Newsmax [09 Sep 2012]

"Of course, there are a number of things that I like in healthcare reform that I'm going to put in place," Romney added. "One is to make sure that those with pre-existing conditions can get coverage. Two is to assure that the marketplace allows for individuals to have policies that cover their family up to whatever age they might like."


You DO NOT have your facts straight and are woefully uninformed where Romney is concerned.
25 posted on 03/07/2014 3:30:44 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: trisham

Same here. He is just a softer verison of his father.


26 posted on 03/07/2014 3:32:36 PM PST by Clyde5445
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To: colorado tanker
I do have my facts straight. Romney did say he would repeal. You didn't believe him, but he said it and I think he would have.

No, he stated "Repeal and Replace"

He also stated he wanted the Individual Mandate so we know it was not going to be a free-market solution.

He also stated he liked certain parts of the ObamaCare monstrosity.

Romney: I'll Keep Parts of Obamacare - Newsmax [09 Sep 2012]

"Of course, there are a number of things that I like in healthcare reform that I'm going to put in place," Romney added. "One is to make sure that those with pre-existing conditions can get coverage. Two is to assure that the marketplace allows for individuals to have policies that cover their family up to whatever age they might like."


You DO NOT have your facts straight and are woefully uninformed where Romney is concerned.
27 posted on 03/07/2014 3:32:36 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Hatteras

I don’t understand your statement. Who didn’t know long before September that Obamacare was a disaster?


28 posted on 03/07/2014 3:33:25 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Clyde5445

Yes. Quite right.


29 posted on 03/07/2014 3:33:55 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Funny. I distinctly remember Romney saying that the Massachusett’s healthcare couldn’t be done on a national level and that Obamacare would be gone as his first day in office.


30 posted on 03/07/2014 3:34:36 PM PST by stilloftyhenight (...staying home isn't an option.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Stop arguing with left wing knuckleheads. The lesser of evils never moves the bar right. 100% morons.


31 posted on 03/07/2014 3:35:51 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: PubliusMM

My fellow Freepers are a fickle bunch. Please look at the date of the statement and consider the possibility that Rand Paul was speaking in the context of stopping the ACA before it was implemented just 10 days later, after his statement.

I have no inclination toward Paul or Cruz or anybody else right now. But also consider the possibility that somebody is posting old items out of context with current conditions in order to curb the appeal of one possible candidate over another.

Just a thought. Now, if you’ll excuse me, I’ll see myself out, thank you...


32 posted on 03/07/2014 3:35:55 PM PST by Hatteras
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To: SoConPubbie
One post is plenty.

Of course Obamacare has to be replaced with something. Conservatives back certain things, like portability of coverage, that are popular.

33 posted on 03/07/2014 3:36:51 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Hatteras
This was from last September before the general public started seeing the effects of the ACA on their personal behalf and the subsequent ground swell of negativity against Obamacare. I would like to see Rand Paul’s current reaction to his September statement and the question posed to him if he feels the same way now, 6 months later, before I decide whether he’s thrown in any towels.

So you like someone for President who wavers in the wind with the public popularity of each issue and doesn't seem to have an core principles he stands firm on?

Is that the kind of leadership you desire?
34 posted on 03/07/2014 3:37:13 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: colorado tanker

Unless it’s free, people don’t want it. Go plow your horse over at DU, lefty.


35 posted on 03/07/2014 3:38:57 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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"Who didn’t know long before September that Obamacare was a disaster?"

Seriesly? The entire general voting public who do not tune in to FR and only just realized once they saw their new plan options (or loss of health plans) in October and the failed roll out in December. That's who. NOTHING is going to change just because a couple of hundred FReepers want it changed. It will change when millions of middle class American's lives are effected. And that has been only happening and reported on since the late Fall

36 posted on 03/07/2014 3:44:41 PM PST by Hatteras
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I don’t agree. Those to whom you refer are mostly liberals.


37 posted on 03/07/2014 3:45:56 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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Then what good are ya, Randy?
38 posted on 03/07/2014 3:46:22 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (If Barack Hussein Obama entertains a thought that he does not verbalize, is it still a lie?)
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Didn’t think they’d get rid of Prohibition either. Or the Volstead act.


39 posted on 03/07/2014 3:46:49 PM PST by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice.)
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Six months later and he’s been proven correct so far.


40 posted on 03/07/2014 3:51:36 PM PST by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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OF COURSE we can get rid of obamacare. We can start by electing people who will do it. And not nominating those who won’t, who don’t know how, or who can’t figure it out. Or who are lacking in courage or motivation.


41 posted on 03/07/2014 3:52:46 PM PST by faithhopecharity (")
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The real question is… Can we get rid of the Repellican defeatist attitude, dude?

It's like saying we probably can't get rid of stage one cancer on behalf of Americans by surgically removing the malignant tissue (Obamacare law) rapidly!!!

42 posted on 03/07/2014 3:54:30 PM PST by SierraWasp (Democrats these days are the "Glitches" in America's way of life and culture!!!)
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To: VRWC For Truth

I was here before you were born. Pound sand.


43 posted on 03/07/2014 3:55:18 PM PST by colorado tanker
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"Is that the kind of leadership you desire?"

No. To answer the question in the silly way you framed it, it is not.

As I tried to clarify in a subsequent post. He said this in September of last year in response to the implementation of the law just days later on October 1st. Was it possible to stop it with just 10 days to go before it kicks in? If that was the context then he was honest and correct.

And you are simply being dishonest with yourself if you think that statement in ANY way means that he is supportive of the ACA or that Rand Paul is waiting to see what the general public thinks before he expresses his personal beliefs. He was being truthful that he could not get enough support to help stop it before October 1st.

Again, I am not leaning towards one potential candidate or another at this point.

44 posted on 03/07/2014 3:57:19 PM PST by Hatteras
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To: colorado tanker

Go pluck yourself lefty.


45 posted on 03/07/2014 3:57:28 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: SoConPubbie

PISS ON RON PAUL.


46 posted on 03/07/2014 4:03:48 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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You did see the gigantic leap in the polls favoring the Dems when the government shut down?

Ted Cruz was amazing and put up a fight, but with boot-licking Dem Senators - Rand was right, too.

It’s this year or never. Channel some of this in-fighting to securing a huge Republican majority in 2014.

I’d love to see Mark Warner in VA tossed out on his backside.

Rand Paul is NOT John McCain, for goodness sakes.


47 posted on 03/07/2014 4:04:02 PM PST by agrarianlady
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To: Hatteras

Good job.


48 posted on 03/07/2014 4:06:46 PM PST by billhilly (Its OK, the left hated Bush.)
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To: trisham
"Those to whom you refer are mostly liberals."

Unfortunately, it is going to take some of them as well to facilitate a change. Fortunately for us, the ACA is an equal opportunity financial oppressor. Liberals didn't believe the warnings. Now they are seeing what we foresaw. We just have to make sure the left doesn't frame elections on red herring social issues.

49 posted on 03/07/2014 4:07:40 PM PST by Hatteras
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I’m thinking we probably ‘can’t get rid of Obamacare’ until after Barack leaves office, but yes, of course we will get rid of it all. Paul Ryan disapppoints once again, so quick to throw in that towel of defeat and aquiessence. Same attitude sank him during the Vice Pres. debate with Joe The Clown. He was so appalled and thrown off kilter by Joe’s rude and crude behavior, that he didnt fight back, not really.


50 posted on 03/07/2014 4:08:24 PM PST by lee martell
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