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Ukrainians Want to Arm Themselves to the Teeth
Vocativ ^ | March 7, 2014 | Versha Sharma and Vladi Vovchuk

Posted on 03/07/2014 4:40:24 PM PST by Vince Ferrer

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1 posted on 03/07/2014 4:40:24 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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Well they first need to figure out what role Jouranlists will have in their country because they're getting roughed up by more than Ukranians and Russians.......here is one from Bulgaria getting roughed up...course I'd just as soon they all get pushed out with the propaganda they all report as news.


2 posted on 03/07/2014 4:44:12 PM PST by caww
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Most Ukrainians were caught completely off guard by the state-sponsored brutality.

As an American who loves my counrty, I was unprepared for the brutality shown to the Branch Davidians at Waco. And am frequently reminded that nobody in government has really been held responsible.


3 posted on 03/07/2014 4:45:13 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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Meanwhile, the UN and other lefty orginizations are working hard to prevent the trasnfer of small arms to people in need of them, like the Ukranians.


4 posted on 03/07/2014 4:45:55 PM PST by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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“government is in possession of more than seven million guns”

5 million are Mosin Nagants left over from WW2.

(and they need to send them to me!}

;)


5 posted on 03/07/2014 4:52:28 PM PST by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: All; Vince Ferrer

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


6 posted on 03/07/2014 4:52:50 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: Vince Ferrer
The government is in possession of more than seven million guns, while three million weapons, both legal and illicit, are in the hands of private citizens, creating a staggering gulf in firepower. By comparison, in the United States, there are 310 million guns in private hands, with only 3.85 million possessed by the military and police forces.

100:1 sounds about right. Maybe a little light on the civilian side but we're working on it.

Government snipers don't have to worry about counter-sniper fire. Until they do. And a deer rifle will suffice for that. BTT

7 posted on 03/07/2014 4:54:28 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Vince Ferrer; maggief
......“Now we have situation where we have internal threats from the regime [government in Ukraine], and also we have huge problems with a possible invasion from Russia,” Uchaykin says, also mentioning a high level of street crime”.....

Still they do not ‘identity’ who it is in the streets creating Chaos....am waiting for someone to tell it like it is....how about checking with the oligarchs the New Gov. put into city governing positions who have their own militia's creating chaos!

If the New Gov. can create enough chaos they can force further intervention (military) (and revenues) from Europe/Nato and the U.S. Next we'll be seeing body bags and crying mothers as we did in Egypt, Libya, Syria...demanding the US DO Something!

We can name this tune in one note!

8 posted on 03/07/2014 4:56:15 PM PST by caww
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To: Vince Ferrer

The MP-27 is an o/u double barrel shotgun.

I did find this though, in trying to come up with
a match, read about halfway down to the conjecture
that the USMC is buying these as SAW replacements
just to get around congressional restrictions
on individual weapon replacement.

I hadn’t heard about this.

M27 IAR Infantry Automatic Rifle, as made by HK USA for US Marine Corps

Caliber: 5.56x45mm NATO
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Overall length: 838 - 937 mm / 33” - 36.9”
Barrel length: 420 mm / 16.5”
Weight: 3.6 kg / 7.9 lbs empty
Rate of fire: rounds per minute
Magazine capacity: 30 rounds standard

The IAR - Infantry Automatic Rifle program was originally initiated by US Marine Corps (USMC) in an apparent intent to replace aging M249 SAW light machine guns in their “automatic rifle” (squad automatic) role. USMC sought lighter and more maneuverable weapon, still capable of at least some sustained firepower. Original contenders included guns from FN, Colt and Heckler-Koch, as well as some other, lesser known names. After extensive trials in 2009 USMC finally selected the HK IAR rifle, which, in fact, is no more that heavy-barreled version of their HK 416 automatic carbine (assault rifle), and it hardly looks like adequate replacement for a dedicated squad automatic weapon with belt feed and quick-change barrel. By all accounts, it looks like USMC played the whole IAR trick to get the replacement for their M4 carbines without entering the political hassle and budgetary debates. In May 2010 the USMC representative officially anounced the adoption of the Heckler-Koch IAR as M27 Infantry Automatic Rifle”. It is not clear when HK will begin delivery of the M27 rifles, and how much rifles will be delivered to USMC.

The M27 Infantry Automatic Rifle is a gas-operated weapon which is based on the HK 416 assault rifle. It uses short-stroke gas piston that operates the 7-lug rotating bolt, and fires from closed bolt. Receiver is made from high grade aluminum alloy. Combination-type safety / fire selector allows for single shots and full automatic mode. M27 IAR retains all M16-style controls, including last round bolt hold-open device, rear-based charging handle and magazine release button on the right side of the magazine well. M27 IAR is fitted with four Picatinny rails as standard, and may accept any type of sighting devices on STANAG-1913 compliant mounts. Buttstock is of typical M4 design, multi-position telescoped. M27 Infantry Automatic Rifle can feed from standard M16-type 30 round magazines, and will also accept high-capacity double-drum magazines from Beta Co (100 rounds capacity) and Armatac (150 rounds capacity).


9 posted on 03/07/2014 4:57:49 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

At no point in history has any government ever wanted its people to be defenseless for any good reason
~ nully’s son


10 posted on 03/07/2014 5:01:04 PM PST by null and void ( Obama is Law-Less because Republican "leaders" are BALL-LESS!!)
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To: RC one
Meanwhile, the UN and other lefty orginizations are working hard to prevent the trasnfer of small arms to people in need of them, like the Ukranians.

Ukraine right now is a textbook case of why 3D printed guns are a positive thing. Print up a militia in a hurry, even behind enemy lines.

11 posted on 03/07/2014 5:01:29 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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I’m sorry, I clipped this from

http://world.guns.ru/assault/usa/m27-iar-e.html

and didn’t think about the copyright, perhaps
it should be pulled.

t.


12 posted on 03/07/2014 5:04:11 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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If I could send over a few crates of M1 Garands and M1 Carbines (plus M1911A1 .45s), I’d do it.


13 posted on 03/07/2014 5:04:27 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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To: Vince Ferrer; Admin Moderator

Ok, I just checked, it’s all from open sources.

Never mind.

t.


14 posted on 03/07/2014 5:06:28 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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I’m not sure the technology is quite there yet but but it’s on its way for sure. I believe the Ukranians should be armed and prepared to defend themselves against tyranny as should everyone. I would not want to see them fall into a civil war however and it seems like that’s a real possibility.


15 posted on 03/07/2014 5:19:55 PM PST by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: dynachrome
5 million are Mosin Nagants left over from WW2. (and they need to send them to me!}

Andrew Cuomo would like to psychotically scream at you...
"no one needs 5 million Mosin Nagants to shoot a deaaaaahhhhhhh!"

16 posted on 03/07/2014 5:33:53 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: tet68

I think they do mean “MP27” here. When you visit that ss.ua site you have the option of translating the page and there are some of these o/u shotguns which are actually listed as 12 gauge “rifles.”

I don’t know if that’s a translation thing or what, maybe, but it’s also pretty clear the author doesn’t know very much about firearms or they’d have picked that up right away.


17 posted on 03/07/2014 5:34:51 PM PST by FAA
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To: Vince Ferrer

Take back the color blue.
Blue Spring
Free Washington
Free Cuba
FUN (F* the UN)


18 posted on 03/07/2014 5:39:34 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (HELL, NO! BE UNGOVERNABLE!)
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To: dynachrome

Now there’s gonna be a shortage of 7.62 x 54r and 7.62 x 39.


19 posted on 03/07/2014 5:40:05 PM PST by 2111USMC (Aim Small Miss Small)
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To: Vince Ferrer

The Saiga-12 and 410 are not exactly assault rifles.


20 posted on 03/07/2014 5:56:32 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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