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SteynOnLine ^ | 3/7/2014 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 03/07/2014 7:11:21 PM PST by Valpal1

People keep asking me whom I favor for the 2016 Republican nomination. I politely demur — and not just because it's almost three years till Election Day, and at this stage in the 2008 cycle I'm not sure I'd ever heard of Barack Obama. As a resident of a New Hampshire township with more than 37 people, I don't have to seek out presidential candidates; they're there at the inn and the general store and the diner and the Grange. I've seen enough next-presidents-of-the-United-States for several lifetimes: Phil Gramm, Pete Wilson, Bob Dornan, Elizabeth Dole, Orrin Hatch, Gary Bauer, Lamar Alexander, Tom Tancredo, Tommy Thompson, Alan Keyes...

Would it have made any difference to the country had any of these fine upstanding fellows prevailed? Or would we be pretty much where we are anyway? Aside from a trade agreement here, a federal regulation there, I'd plump for the latter. You can't have conservative government in a liberal culture, and that's the position the Republican party is in.

(Excerpt) Read more at steynonline.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: 2014election; 2016election; election2014; election2016; marksteyn
Read the whole thing. Depressing but accurate.
1 posted on 03/07/2014 7:11:21 PM PST by Valpal1
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To: Valpal1

I read the whole piece in National Review. Given where they are these days, I can’t believe they printed it - or keep Steyn on the roster. There is almost nobody telling the truth about where our country is headed these days, largely because so many “conservatives” want to go there too. It’s a blessing that Mark Steyn is still willing and able to speak out.


2 posted on 03/07/2014 7:15:33 PM PST by madprof98
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To: Valpal1

I recall seeing what looked like a homemade ‘Obama for president’ bumper sticker in 2005 but that was in Cambridge, MA.


3 posted on 03/07/2014 7:15:46 PM PST by posterchild
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To: Valpal1

America is liberal. White conservatives are a dying breed in this country. I don’t see any role for the GOP other than to act as a caretaker for future Democratic administrations. We want to be like Europe. The America as we knew it was buried for good in the last presidential election.


4 posted on 03/07/2014 7:28:39 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Valpal1

Didn’t Breitbart say “Politics is downstream of culture”? Steyn argues that liberals (progressives) spend more energy changing the culture and conservatives more energy on changing officeholders.

Who has control of our culture now?

At a fast-food restaurant today, I ate lunch next to a trio of people who didn’t appear to be employed in an office setting or employed at all. Two women and one man, late twenties or early thirties. One of the women (in language salted with profanity) described her family and her relations with them. “Two of my relatives [cousin? uncle?] became Conservaahhtivvvve” (she drew out that last syllable with a cross between a hiss and a groan). She said they had regular, responsible jobs. Her contempt for them was on full display.

These are BO’s people.

And those others she dismissed so easily are paying her way through life.


5 posted on 03/07/2014 7:29:56 PM PST by thecodont
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To: thecodont

Someday, we might be able to see Obamamania for the fad it was.

We’re settling down to become a softer and bigger version of Pierre Trudeau’s Canada when the Liberals ran the place there.


6 posted on 03/07/2014 7:38:00 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: JLS

Steyn ping.


7 posted on 03/07/2014 7:42:24 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (Richard Warman censors free speech.)
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To: TheOldLady; Rummyfan; Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; ...

Mark Steyn ping.

Freepmail me, if you want on or off the Mark Steyn ping list.

Thanks for the ping Slings and Arrows.


8 posted on 03/07/2014 10:51:16 PM PST by JLS
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To: Valpal1

Andrew Fletcher (1653 - 1716) - “Let me make the songs of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws.”


9 posted on 03/07/2014 11:34:27 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Free Ukraine. Free Venezuela. Free Syria. Free Iran. Free the USA.)
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To: Valpal1

Which is why Mark Levin says they can’t help themselves and that is why we need the Liberty Amendments.


10 posted on 03/07/2014 11:37:48 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: goldstategop
The difference is that Canada remained populated with mostly with Canadians over the years, while our country has become “We are The World.” Demographics are destiny. In 2012, if Romney had the same voter demo as Reagan, he would have won a landslide. The depressing thought is that despite all our yelling about who is a RINO or who is the great Conservative, it might not mean anything but mental self pleasure. With the way our voting population is truly, none of those we champion can win. Cruz in 2016, loss. Christie in 2016, loss. See it might not matter. We are doomed.
11 posted on 03/08/2014 5:00:24 AM PST by gusty
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To: Valpal1
We are in a period of mass social delusion.

This is often seen in decaying empires in terminal decline before their collapse, which is why I wrote this short story, FWIW.

Link to the full-text Free Republic thread.

12 posted on 03/08/2014 5:15:44 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: gusty
Our Quisling 'Rats and GOPEs could not get their way with the American electorate, so they slyly agreed to import a new one.


13 posted on 03/08/2014 5:19:39 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Valpal1
Culture trumps politics — which is why, once the question's been settled culturally, conservatives are reduced to playing catch-up, twisting themselves into pretzels to explain (including in the pages of this magazine) why gay marriage is really conservative after all, or why 30 million unskilled immigrants with a majority of births out of wedlock are "natural allies" of the Republican party.

When you put it like that, it does seem pretty stupid.

14 posted on 03/08/2014 5:45:52 AM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: madprof98

Time marches on, basically ... especially when sociocultural dynamics are unhindered by any adherence to natural law, biology, ethics, morality, etc.


15 posted on 03/08/2014 5:54:40 AM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: madprof98
There is almost nobody telling the truth about where our country is headed these days, largely because so many “conservatives” want to go there too.

The problem is too much time has passed since the 60's punks deliberately changed our culture. They embraced drugs (today even elementary school kids are users), promiscuity, eschewed marriage in favor of shacking up and even worse, disparaged our founders and our history. I am not sure American history is even taught today. If so, it is a really distorted version. There aren't enough people around today to even tell that our culture before that was patriotic, didn't consider drugs commonplace and respected our history.

16 posted on 03/08/2014 6:36:51 AM PST by saminfl
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To: Valpal1; Jet Jaguar; Lady Jag; Slings and Arrows; null and void; maggief; Dog; BP2; Candor7; ...

depressing but true..


17 posted on 03/08/2014 7:28:34 AM PST by bitt (If Obama is really worried about “the children”, he should be bombing planned parenthood.)
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To: bitt

Thanks for the ping!


18 posted on 03/08/2014 7:31:58 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Valpal1
and at this stage in the 2008 cycle I'm not sure I'd ever heard of Barack Obama.

I used to work sometimes in DC, and had close contact with many high up government types. Would attend a few parties...

By this time in that election cycle, I KNEW Obama would be the nominee, and I was pretty sure he was going to be President. The talk and Buzz was all about him, even from more "conservative" types.

I remember warning people here, whose hatred for Hillary made them prefer the relatively unknown Obama over her. They though surely Whatshisname would be easy to defeat. I had heard and seen otherwise. Watching this debacle slowly unwind was nauseating.

19 posted on 03/08/2014 7:36:42 AM PST by Paradox (Unexpected things coming for the next few years.)
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To: thecodont
Steyn argues that liberals (progressives) spend more energy changing the culture and conservatives more energy on changing officeholders.

Unfortunately we've willingly given the culture to the left rather than seizing our rightful place in it. "Bravely" retreating is still just retreating.

I had the opportunity to speak with CL Bryant last month about Black History month. We agreed that fighting against black history month is a losing proposition. Instead we as conservatives of all races should seize our rightful place in black history with praise of men like Calvin Coolidge and Frederick Douglass. At some point, the fixation on the black part will fade and we can morph it into American history month.

Another thing I do is faithfully take part in a serious survey of television viewers (Viewers Voice). It gives me a choice to support more family friendly and educational television while downgrading the crap.
20 posted on 03/08/2014 7:46:35 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Valpal1

Yes depressing and true. America will party on bros until the money and loans are completely gone. The only unbreakable law is economics, you can’t make gold out of straw. The nation will go bankrupt and fall. What sort of society that emerges after the disorders is unknown. Love your family and pray to God, the rest is the realm of the Devil.


21 posted on 03/08/2014 9:25:33 AM PST by RicocheT (Where neither their property nor their honor is touched, most men live content, Niccolo Machiavelli)
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To: Valpal1; bitt

He doesn’t sound like a “Happy Warrior”.


22 posted on 03/08/2014 9:29:04 AM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: ken5050

Bookmark for later reading..


23 posted on 03/08/2014 10:17:14 AM PST by ken5050 (I fear a world run by adults who were never spanked as kids and got trophies just for participating)
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To: bitt


















if you like your doctorshow me the money

24 posted on 03/08/2014 12:20:43 PM PST by devolve (- Tell Vladimir after my erection I have more FLEXIBILITY -- I need more SPACE - BHO Jr -)
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To: Valpal1; madprof98; posterchild; goldstategop; thecodont; Slings and Arrows; JLS; elhombrelibre; ...

Here’s some good news:

In the last ten years we destroyed most of the race card.

Successfully attacked the credibility of the mainstream media.

Helped a majority of people see global warming as ‘debatable, not settled’...

All but eliminated standard ‘gun control’ myths...

Turned the term ‘liberal’ into something liberals run from...

Told the people of Israel that NOT all Americans think like New York Times staff members...

Helped Europeans see their massive uncontrolled ‘immigration’ was created by their liberal elites to keep wages down - not to ‘help people’...

The above is a beginning... all done by conservatives with the help of people like Mark Steyn, Jim Robinson, Rush Limbaugh, Daniel Greenfield, John Lott, freepers etc. etc... yeah, it’s rough - but we really are winning...


25 posted on 03/08/2014 1:23:23 PM PST by GOPJ ("Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), always currying favor with the press...."(nailed) - William Bigelow)
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To: bitt
RE: "depressing but true.."

I'll throw in a few dittos on that. Sad times we live in.
26 posted on 03/08/2014 1:28:47 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......)
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To: Valpal1; madprof98; posterchild; goldstategop; thecodont; Slings and Arrows; JLS; elhombrelibre

One more - turned the cultural tide on abortion:

CNN poll: 58% now oppose abortion in most or all cases

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3131044/posts


27 posted on 03/08/2014 1:38:38 PM PST by GOPJ ("Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), always currying favor with the press...."(nailed) - William Bigelow)
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To: GOPJ
CNN poll: 58% now oppose abortion in most or all cases

That's great, but it's not enough.

We need to turn around the culture to seeing once again that marriage = 1 man + 1 woman and children are created and _welcomed_ from this union.

28 posted on 03/08/2014 1:52:25 PM PST by thecodont
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To: Paradox

I remember March 2008 like a punch in the stomach. It was sickening watching the whole “election” unravel from that point. I knew something was up and it wasn’t normal.


29 posted on 03/08/2014 1:54:44 PM PST by thecodont
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To: GOPJ

Now if we could just get some representation in government.


30 posted on 03/08/2014 2:07:12 PM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: thecodont

The turn is just under the surface. I was at Wally world this afternoon and watched a mother slap a toddler so hard it made a loud smacking sound. The child of course instantly screamed and continued to scream as the pain washed over her. The father picked the child out of the cart and I went over to them and just said, smiling, that a child that age has more sensitive skin than we adults do. The father got all huffy that I would speak up, but I continued to emphasize that the child feels that pain more severely than an adult. The father then Cussed me and told me to move along. Whereupon I remained steadfast, citing my right to be there and to speak out in defense of a child. When the father became irrationally upset, I moved along. Not ten steps away from the scene a woman came up to me and thanked me for speaking up in defense of that little girl. So the turnabout is just under the surface. That woman who thanked me will now be more likely to speak out, and the snowball grows just like that.


31 posted on 03/08/2014 2:09:01 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN
That woman who thanked me will now be more likely to speak out, and the snowball grows just like that.

That was brave and good of you (and that you spoke graciously only added to the effectiveness of it). We all need to be so brave. Let's hope you're right about the "snowball effect."

32 posted on 03/08/2014 2:19:54 PM PST by thecodont
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To: thecodont

Rome wasn’t built in a day...


33 posted on 03/08/2014 8:22:42 PM PST by GOPJ ("Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), always currying favor with the press...."(nailed) - William Bigelow)
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To: Valpal1
Yup!

So how do you change a culture?

This is the same conclusions I reached when Obam was elected to a second term. The first term scared the hell out of me and I thought maybe it was a fluke of nature..

But I now know it was a corrupted culture, corrupted courts and corrupted politicians chasing the corrupted culture.. I also know that the 200 year experiment called America, had come to a tipping point and had tipped over..

You can't fix it in the normal way politically. It has to come to it's inevitable conclusions on it's own, like a stinkin drunk who hits the lowest of the low places in his life.

Does that mean we stop trying?

Nope! On the contrary, we keep doing what we do, offering another way forward but we do it with grace and the knowledge that the country is a sick puppy.

But we have to understand what we face and that the drunk has to nearly die if he/she has any chance of recovery. We need to keep our eyes on that goal (and the future) while we preside over the (present) chaos that is sure to come and is already here in fact. The fuse is lit...

In my humble opinion...

34 posted on 03/08/2014 9:47:15 PM PST by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: MHGinTN

My grandmother, as a 4’10” mother of ten, always gave herself permission to speak out in defense of children. So I speak out in her name, when I see kids being mistreated.


35 posted on 03/09/2014 5:50:57 AM PDT by maica (We are seeing an interesting mixture of malice and incompetence at healthcare.gov)
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To: Cold Heat

In the last ten years we’ve destroyed the race card.

Successfully attacked the credibility of the mainstream media.

Helped a majority of people see global warming as ‘debatable, not settled’...

All but eliminated standard ‘gun control myths’...

Turned the term ‘liberal’ into something liberals run away from...

Shared with Israel that NOT all Americans think like New York Times staff members...

Helped European citizens see their massive uncontrolled ‘immigration’ was created by their liberal elites to keep wages down - not to ‘help people’...

The above is a beginning... all done by conservatives with the help of people like Mark Steyn, Jim Robinson, Rush Limbaugh, Daniel Greenfield, John Lott, freepers etc. etc... yeah, it’s rough - but we really are winning...

One more - turned the cultural tide on abortion:

CNN poll: 58% now oppose abortion in most or all cases

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3131044/posts


36 posted on 03/09/2014 7:28:42 AM PDT by GOPJ ("Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), always currying favor with the press...."(nailed) - William Bigelow)
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To: GOPJ

While I don’t totally agree that those items you listed are conservative victories directly related to our actions and words, they are progress no doubt...

As I explained, we need to “keep on keeping on”, but battles are one thing, and the war is another. We are losing the war, and have really lost the war yet solace can be found by some in winning the skirmishes.

Conservative thinking of the kind we have here on FR is still a minority section of the GOP and we witnessed defections, as we have before, in the last presidential election.

I think that if you want to see where we will be in the short to mid term future you can look at the Tories. While they achieved control, they have done little just as when we achieved control we did the same things the democrats would do, only the democrat/light versions.

The reason is social expectations. Even here on FR I see the light versions of many of these now social experimental ideas like anthropomorphism, and other beliefs I long ago shunned as dangerous to our future.

To believe that the next election is the fix, or any election for that matter, is just not the case.


37 posted on 03/09/2014 12:41:33 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: Valpal1

NO giving up...accurate, quite likely, but NOT unchangeable (sic)?! This IS “flyover country” over here, and the country “at large” will not stand for this.


38 posted on 03/09/2014 4:46:50 PM PDT by 88keys ("work and purpose"...election 2014!)
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To: Cold Heat

Changing the cultural perspective IS the win. The rest will follow.


39 posted on 03/09/2014 8:05:38 PM PDT by GOPJ (“Don't be pushed by your problems. Be led by your dreams" - Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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To: GOPJ
The liberal tide is coming in, not going out.

That is the point that the writer, who most of us admire greatly, was trying to make.

Not that eventual reversal is impossible, even I don't believe that, but what I do believe is that it will take a long time and/or some serious and perhaps catastrophic catalysts to cause that to happen within the near or medium term.

Near term politically to me is 5 years or less, medium term being 5-25 and long term 25-50.

Not sure what is going to happen or when...but I suspect it will not be very optimal conditions to live in and I do not believe that at this stage, it can be reversed or stopped.

40 posted on 03/09/2014 9:49:37 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: Valpal1; All

I agree. It was a true indictment of “Both” Political Parties.

Ponder the vested control issues in the following example:

“Both” Political Parties of our current Communal Federal Government understand that the purpose of naming a Master/Slave Federal Government Program an “Entitlement” is to deceive the enslaved population into believing that becoming slaves to a Master is something to be desired, and thus reduce the probability of a slave rebellion.

The Master/Slave Entitlement of Obamacare is the most Communal of all of the Federal Government Master/Slave Entitlement Programs, because it can legally collect monies and/or property after death of the Entitled Slave, or from their surviving family members.

FORWARD, the RINOcare RINOS!

FORWARD, the Obamacare Democrats!!

FORWARD !


41 posted on 03/10/2014 6:43:36 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Cold Heat
The liberal tide is coming in, not going out.

Tell me what new ideas they're winning on... anything less than 30 years old. I'm asking because I haven't seen a new idea out of the left in 30 years...

42 posted on 03/10/2014 9:53:25 AM PDT by GOPJ ("Don't be pushed by your problems. Be led by your dreams" - Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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To: GOPJ
Heck if I know....I'm not defending them.

But it appears to me that they are playing a tag team game. By that I mean their supporters who are in all of the government sponsored entities like our colleges, as well as medical and science endeavors continuously produce papers that the liberal media distributes and then the liberal politicians pick them up for talking points and beat the drums in unison like a high school marching band. They have the ability to do this on every single sociopolitical issue and they politicize everything imaginable.

Over the years, they have led on these issues and have made them part of the social-political landscape.

Nobody ever looks under the sheets to examine the sources of these movements but they are created by the libs, for the libs to capture the attention of the ignorant masses and subsequently they appear to be in total control of them leaving the republican-conservatives with the only choice available to them which is to join the party or try to deny the libs a political victory.

So the reality is that they are in charge of the political narrative, day in, day out, 24/7/365.

New ideas? Yes.....I suppose they are, but these ideas are not ideas to make government better, more efficient, or leaner. They are ideas that lead to continuous expansion, control, with the promises of fairness, free stuff, and particularly with women, a easier life style with fewer decisions.

So all the ideas I see, are based on social needs, not pragmatism or thrift. They come right out of what I call the “Star Trek Bible”. The goal being a society free of encumbrances like decisions about food, shelter, money.

Are these new ideas? No.....

But they are most certainly based upon fiction, and fit perfectly into the pie in the sky narrative that has been surreptitiously pumped into the brains of even the conservatives as many threads and comments on this very forum have long indicated.

Free range chickens, anti- GMO beliefs, health foods, anti- military draft, global warming, isolationism based geopolitical thinking, evil bankers, evil big corporations, detrimental commentary against republican leadership based on single issues like Romney and health care, Cruise and amnesty...the list is huge...and all of it can be sourced to the left and their supportive public agencies like the press, higher learning, Hollywood, The CDC, NASA..........

So yeah.....they are winning the war and we are just twiddling with a single issue here and there while our base is corrupted with constant leftist baloney that is repeated endlessly in a giant communications loop.

IMO, you can't fix this. It has to be allowed to destroy it's self under it's own weight, and that is happening but it takes time.

In the interim, all we can do is carry on and try to be there to pick up the pieces. To do that we have to survive it..intact and with our prodigy poised to take the helm of conservatism.

That is what I am about, and I think others in the leadership of the movement are doing likewise. I point you to Rush Limbaugh's efforts with children as a good example.

Politically all we can do is slow this down a bit, but I debate myself often if that is wise to do. However I always conclude that we have to try regardless..

43 posted on 03/10/2014 11:23:37 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: Cold Heat
You're talking about the sizzle - I'm asking about the steak.

I know they know how to bang a drum. I know they march lockstep in noisy parades...flags flying - noisy empty spectacles... My question is WHAT IDEAS DO THEY HAVE THAT ARE LESS THAN 30 YEARS OLD?

44 posted on 03/10/2014 2:06:19 PM PDT by GOPJ ("Don't be pushed by your problems. Be led by your dreams" - Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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To: GOPJ
I am not sure why that question is important to you.

Since it is both a question as you have put it and a accusation as well, I would ask you a question.

What new ideas have been presented by conservatives that are less than 30 years old?

The answer is not relevant as the battles between conservatives and liberals go back to the dark ages, the inquisition days and even before that.

Liberals by their nature have fresher ideas. They are either wrong or damaging to society but they are indeed fresher than conservative ideas which are linked directly to what worked well in the past, even the long distant past.

So you question is not phrased properly. You should be asking who is right? Because the political group with the oldest ideas is hard to define as both have been battling for hearts and minds for 100s, or even thousands of years. The criteria for the battle is still the same.

So IMO, it's a flawed statement to say that the liberals ideas are old because so are ours...It's all been said before. Different people today, different technologies, different amount of data now but the fight is still the same..and for the same reasons.

45 posted on 03/10/2014 2:35:20 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: GOPJ
I clipped this for Wikipedia from their definition of liberalism which I find to be essentially true but they don't go deep enough into the past. The point is that there are different perspectives and that social liberalism is fairly new and the result of longer term experiences and social changes in the Democracies of the West.

The original liberalism goes much farther back and deals more with issues of science, religion, modes of government, private property ownership and wealth.

The liberalism you are referring to is less than 100 years old and is only in the US and Britain. This is why you can watch Britain to see what will be coming here. It evolved from post WWII and continues today.

In Europe and North America, there was also the rise of social liberalism,[9][10] which is related with social democracy in Europe. As such, the meaning of the word "liberalism" began to diverge in different parts of the world. According to the Encyclopedia Britannica, "In the United States, liberalism is associated with the welfare-state policies of the New Deal program of the Democratic administration of Pres. Franklin D. Roosevelt, whereas in Europe it is more commonly associated with a commitment to limited government and laissez-faire economic policies."[11] Consequently in the U.S., the ideas of individualism and laissez-faire economics previously associated with classical liberalism, became the basis for the emerging school of right wing libertarian thought.[12] Today, liberal political parties remain a political force with varying degrees of power and influence on many countries (see Liberalism by country).

46 posted on 03/10/2014 2:56:45 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: GOPJ

So when you ask me to tell you which ideas are newer or fresher, the answer has to be liberalism as it applies to the US. In Europe, classical liberalism might entail smaller government, free elections, lower taxes, which were taken up by conservatives in the US, so none of these ideas are new!

As I said, the proper question to pose is “who is right”.

Not sure who started the debate about liberals having old stale ideas, but this staleness only goes back to Roosevelt and the conservative counter arguments to Roosevelt’s liberalism are the same as they are today..

In short....”He was wrong.” “he grew Government” We want to make it smaller and more efficient, So these arguments too are just as old.


47 posted on 03/10/2014 3:08:15 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: GOPJ
Last response is this....

To show how the political parties in the US have flipped since WWII when social liberalism (not classical liberalism) began to get a foothold in the US democrat party, I give you the example of Ronald Reagan who switched parties when the change began to become obvious. He was not the only one.

I give you the Dixiecrats in the south and any number of small but noticeable changes to which Bill Clinton was the last of a dying breed of classical liberals. That era is finished now.

What we have now is the use of social liberalism to use the countries wealth to essentially promise shares of it's treasury the people in order to buy votes to keep the party in power.

This is all fairly new and fresh in the political history of the US, but it occurred as far back as the days of congressman Daniel Boone. Conservatives were battling this then and now with the same tactics. And we lost then and now...

Modern Democracy's like ours were only expected to last 200 years. We have exceeded that. But you can see the handwriting on the wall. I am too old and have seen too much change to believe that we can, as conservatives, change the tide that will eventually destroy the financial health of this country and probably the entire West along with it. We already saw the prequel in 2007.

It's like waiting for paint to dry for me and I might live long enough to see it, but the die is cast. It will happen..

So someone has to be here to pick up the pieces and lead the country back to functional society. That's what is important now...IMO.

48 posted on 03/10/2014 3:26:45 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: Valpal1

pinging again for later...


49 posted on 03/13/2014 4:31:40 PM PDT by 88keys (hard times we're living in...election 2014!)
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