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Posted on 03/07/2014 7:11:21 PM PST by Valpal1
People keep asking me whom I favor for the 2016 Republican nomination. I politely demur and not just because it's almost three years till Election Day, and at this stage in the 2008 cycle I'm not sure I'd ever heard of Barack Obama. As a resident of a New Hampshire township with more than 37 people, I don't have to seek out presidential candidates; they're there at the inn and the general store and the diner and the Grange. I've seen enough next-presidents-of-the-United-States for several lifetimes: Phil Gramm, Pete Wilson, Bob Dornan, Elizabeth Dole, Orrin Hatch, Gary Bauer, Lamar Alexander, Tom Tancredo, Tommy Thompson, Alan Keyes...
Would it have made any difference to the country had any of these fine upstanding fellows prevailed? Or would we be pretty much where we are anyway? Aside from a trade agreement here, a federal regulation there, I'd plump for the latter. You can't have conservative government in a liberal culture, and that's the position the Republican party is in.
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I read the whole piece in National Review. Given where they are these days, I can’t believe they printed it - or keep Steyn on the roster. There is almost nobody telling the truth about where our country is headed these days, largely because so many “conservatives” want to go there too. It’s a blessing that Mark Steyn is still willing and able to speak out.
I recall seeing what looked like a homemade ‘Obama for president’ bumper sticker in 2005 but that was in Cambridge, MA.
America is liberal. White conservatives are a dying breed in this country. I don’t see any role for the GOP other than to act as a caretaker for future Democratic administrations. We want to be like Europe. The America as we knew it was buried for good in the last presidential election.
Didn’t Breitbart say “Politics is downstream of culture”? Steyn argues that liberals (progressives) spend more energy changing the culture and conservatives more energy on changing officeholders.
Who has control of our culture now?
At a fast-food restaurant today, I ate lunch next to a trio of people who didn’t appear to be employed in an office setting or employed at all. Two women and one man, late twenties or early thirties. One of the women (in language salted with profanity) described her family and her relations with them. “Two of my relatives [cousin? uncle?] became Conservaahhtivvvve” (she drew out that last syllable with a cross between a hiss and a groan). She said they had regular, responsible jobs. Her contempt for them was on full display.
These are BO’s people.
And those others she dismissed so easily are paying her way through life.
Someday, we might be able to see Obamamania for the fad it was.
We’re settling down to become a softer and bigger version of Pierre Trudeau’s Canada when the Liberals ran the place there.
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Thanks for the ping Slings and Arrows.
Andrew Fletcher (1653 - 1716) - “Let me make the songs of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws.”
Which is why Mark Levin says they can’t help themselves and that is why we need the Liberty Amendments.
This is often seen in decaying empires in terminal decline before their collapse, which is why I wrote this short story, FWIW.
Link to the full-text Free Republic thread.
When you put it like that, it does seem pretty stupid.
Time marches on, basically ... especially when sociocultural dynamics are unhindered by any adherence to natural law, biology, ethics, morality, etc.
The problem is too much time has passed since the 60's punks deliberately changed our culture. They embraced drugs (today even elementary school kids are users), promiscuity, eschewed marriage in favor of shacking up and even worse, disparaged our founders and our history. I am not sure American history is even taught today. If so, it is a really distorted version. There aren't enough people around today to even tell that our culture before that was patriotic, didn't consider drugs commonplace and respected our history.
depressing but true..
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I used to work sometimes in DC, and had close contact with many high up government types. Would attend a few parties...
By this time in that election cycle, I KNEW Obama would be the nominee, and I was pretty sure he was going to be President. The talk and Buzz was all about him, even from more "conservative" types.
I remember warning people here, whose hatred for Hillary made them prefer the relatively unknown Obama over her. They though surely Whatshisname would be easy to defeat. I had heard and seen otherwise. Watching this debacle slowly unwind was nauseating.
Yes depressing and true. America will party on bros until the money and loans are completely gone. The only unbreakable law is economics, you can’t make gold out of straw. The nation will go bankrupt and fall. What sort of society that emerges after the disorders is unknown. Love your family and pray to God, the rest is the realm of the Devil.
He doesn’t sound like a “Happy Warrior”.
Bookmark for later reading..
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Here’s some good news:
In the last ten years we destroyed most of the race card.
Successfully attacked the credibility of the mainstream media.
Helped a majority of people see global warming as ‘debatable, not settled’...
All but eliminated standard ‘gun control’ myths...
Turned the term ‘liberal’ into something liberals run from...
Told the people of Israel that NOT all Americans think like New York Times staff members...
Helped Europeans see their massive uncontrolled ‘immigration’ was created by their liberal elites to keep wages down - not to ‘help people’...
The above is a beginning... all done by conservatives with the help of people like Mark Steyn, Jim Robinson, Rush Limbaugh, Daniel Greenfield, John Lott, freepers etc. etc... yeah, it’s rough - but we really are winning...
One more - turned the cultural tide on abortion:
CNN poll: 58% now oppose abortion in most or all cases
That's great, but it's not enough.
We need to turn around the culture to seeing once again that marriage = 1 man + 1 woman and children are created and _welcomed_ from this union.
I remember March 2008 like a punch in the stomach. It was sickening watching the whole “election” unravel from that point. I knew something was up and it wasn’t normal.
Now if we could just get some representation in government.
The turn is just under the surface. I was at Wally world this afternoon and watched a mother slap a toddler so hard it made a loud smacking sound. The child of course instantly screamed and continued to scream as the pain washed over her. The father picked the child out of the cart and I went over to them and just said, smiling, that a child that age has more sensitive skin than we adults do. The father got all huffy that I would speak up, but I continued to emphasize that the child feels that pain more severely than an adult. The father then Cussed me and told me to move along. Whereupon I remained steadfast, citing my right to be there and to speak out in defense of a child. When the father became irrationally upset, I moved along. Not ten steps away from the scene a woman came up to me and thanked me for speaking up in defense of that little girl. So the turnabout is just under the surface. That woman who thanked me will now be more likely to speak out, and the snowball grows just like that.
That was brave and good of you (and that you spoke graciously only added to the effectiveness of it). We all need to be so brave. Let's hope you're right about the "snowball effect."
Rome wasn’t built in a day...
So how do you change a culture?
This is the same conclusions I reached when Obam was elected to a second term. The first term scared the hell out of me and I thought maybe it was a fluke of nature..
But I now know it was a corrupted culture, corrupted courts and corrupted politicians chasing the corrupted culture.. I also know that the 200 year experiment called America, had come to a tipping point and had tipped over..
You can't fix it in the normal way politically. It has to come to it's inevitable conclusions on it's own, like a stinkin drunk who hits the lowest of the low places in his life.
Does that mean we stop trying?
Nope! On the contrary, we keep doing what we do, offering another way forward but we do it with grace and the knowledge that the country is a sick puppy.
But we have to understand what we face and that the drunk has to nearly die if he/she has any chance of recovery. We need to keep our eyes on that goal (and the future) while we preside over the (present) chaos that is sure to come and is already here in fact. The fuse is lit...
In my humble opinion...
My grandmother, as a 4’10” mother of ten, always gave herself permission to speak out in defense of children. So I speak out in her name, when I see kids being mistreated.
In the last ten years we’ve destroyed the race card.
Successfully attacked the credibility of the mainstream media.
Helped a majority of people see global warming as debatable, not settled...
All but eliminated standard gun control myths’...
Turned the term liberal into something liberals run away from...
Shared with Israel that NOT all Americans think like New York Times staff members...
Helped European citizens see their massive uncontrolled immigration was created by their liberal elites to keep wages down - not to help people...
The above is a beginning... all done by conservatives with the help of people like Mark Steyn, Jim Robinson, Rush Limbaugh, Daniel Greenfield, John Lott, freepers etc. etc... yeah, its rough - but we really are winning...
One more - turned the cultural tide on abortion:
CNN poll: 58% now oppose abortion in most or all cases
While I don’t totally agree that those items you listed are conservative victories directly related to our actions and words, they are progress no doubt...
As I explained, we need to “keep on keeping on”, but battles are one thing, and the war is another. We are losing the war, and have really lost the war yet solace can be found by some in winning the skirmishes.
Conservative thinking of the kind we have here on FR is still a minority section of the GOP and we witnessed defections, as we have before, in the last presidential election.
I think that if you want to see where we will be in the short to mid term future you can look at the Tories. While they achieved control, they have done little just as when we achieved control we did the same things the democrats would do, only the democrat/light versions.
The reason is social expectations. Even here on FR I see the light versions of many of these now social experimental ideas like anthropomorphism, and other beliefs I long ago shunned as dangerous to our future.
To believe that the next election is the fix, or any election for that matter, is just not the case.
NO giving up...accurate, quite likely, but NOT unchangeable (sic)?! This IS “flyover country” over here, and the country “at large” will not stand for this.
Changing the cultural perspective IS the win. The rest will follow.
That is the point that the writer, who most of us admire greatly, was trying to make.
Not that eventual reversal is impossible, even I don't believe that, but what I do believe is that it will take a long time and/or some serious and perhaps catastrophic catalysts to cause that to happen within the near or medium term.
Near term politically to me is 5 years or less, medium term being 5-25 and long term 25-50.
Not sure what is going to happen or when...but I suspect it will not be very optimal conditions to live in and I do not believe that at this stage, it can be reversed or stopped.
I agree. It was a true indictment of “Both” Political Parties.
Ponder the vested control issues in the following example:
Both Political Parties of our current Communal Federal Government understand that the purpose of naming a Master/Slave Federal Government Program an Entitlement is to deceive the enslaved population into believing that becoming slaves to a Master is something to be desired, and thus reduce the probability of a slave rebellion.
The Master/Slave Entitlement of Obamacare is the most Communal of all of the Federal Government Master/Slave Entitlement Programs, because it can legally collect monies and/or property after death of the Entitled Slave, or from their surviving family members.
FORWARD, the RINOcare RINOS!
FORWARD, the Obamacare Democrats!!
Tell me what new ideas they're winning on... anything less than 30 years old. I'm asking because I haven't seen a new idea out of the left in 30 years...
But it appears to me that they are playing a tag team game. By that I mean their supporters who are in all of the government sponsored entities like our colleges, as well as medical and science endeavors continuously produce papers that the liberal media distributes and then the liberal politicians pick them up for talking points and beat the drums in unison like a high school marching band. They have the ability to do this on every single sociopolitical issue and they politicize everything imaginable.
Over the years, they have led on these issues and have made them part of the social-political landscape.
Nobody ever looks under the sheets to examine the sources of these movements but they are created by the libs, for the libs to capture the attention of the ignorant masses and subsequently they appear to be in total control of them leaving the republican-conservatives with the only choice available to them which is to join the party or try to deny the libs a political victory.
So the reality is that they are in charge of the political narrative, day in, day out, 24/7/365.
New ideas? Yes.....I suppose they are, but these ideas are not ideas to make government better, more efficient, or leaner. They are ideas that lead to continuous expansion, control, with the promises of fairness, free stuff, and particularly with women, a easier life style with fewer decisions.
So all the ideas I see, are based on social needs, not pragmatism or thrift. They come right out of what I call the “Star Trek Bible”. The goal being a society free of encumbrances like decisions about food, shelter, money.
Are these new ideas? No.....
But they are most certainly based upon fiction, and fit perfectly into the pie in the sky narrative that has been surreptitiously pumped into the brains of even the conservatives as many threads and comments on this very forum have long indicated.
Free range chickens, anti- GMO beliefs, health foods, anti- military draft, global warming, isolationism based geopolitical thinking, evil bankers, evil big corporations, detrimental commentary against republican leadership based on single issues like Romney and health care, Cruise and amnesty...the list is huge...and all of it can be sourced to the left and their supportive public agencies like the press, higher learning, Hollywood, The CDC, NASA..........
So yeah.....they are winning the war and we are just twiddling with a single issue here and there while our base is corrupted with constant leftist baloney that is repeated endlessly in a giant communications loop.
IMO, you can't fix this. It has to be allowed to destroy it's self under it's own weight, and that is happening but it takes time.
In the interim, all we can do is carry on and try to be there to pick up the pieces. To do that we have to survive it..intact and with our prodigy poised to take the helm of conservatism.
That is what I am about, and I think others in the leadership of the movement are doing likewise. I point you to Rush Limbaugh's efforts with children as a good example.
Politically all we can do is slow this down a bit, but I debate myself often if that is wise to do. However I always conclude that we have to try regardless..
I know they know how to bang a drum. I know they march lockstep in noisy parades...flags flying - noisy empty spectacles... My question is WHAT IDEAS DO THEY HAVE THAT ARE LESS THAN 30 YEARS OLD?
Since it is both a question as you have put it and a accusation as well, I would ask you a question.
What new ideas have been presented by conservatives that are less than 30 years old?
The answer is not relevant as the battles between conservatives and liberals go back to the dark ages, the inquisition days and even before that.
Liberals by their nature have fresher ideas. They are either wrong or damaging to society but they are indeed fresher than conservative ideas which are linked directly to what worked well in the past, even the long distant past.
So you question is not phrased properly. You should be asking who is right? Because the political group with the oldest ideas is hard to define as both have been battling for hearts and minds for 100s, or even thousands of years. The criteria for the battle is still the same.
So IMO, it's a flawed statement to say that the liberals ideas are old because so are ours...It's all been said before. Different people today, different technologies, different amount of data now but the fight is still the same..and for the same reasons.
The original liberalism goes much farther back and deals more with issues of science, religion, modes of government, private property ownership and wealth.
The liberalism you are referring to is less than 100 years old and is only in the US and Britain. This is why you can watch Britain to see what will be coming here. It evolved from post WWII and continues today.
In Europe and North America, there was also the rise of social liberalism, which is related with social democracy in Europe. As such, the meaning of the word "liberalism" began to diverge in different parts of the world. According to the Encyclopedia Britannica, "In the United States, liberalism is associated with the welfare-state policies of the New Deal program of the Democratic administration of Pres. Franklin D. Roosevelt, whereas in Europe it is more commonly associated with a commitment to limited government and laissez-faire economic policies." Consequently in the U.S., the ideas of individualism and laissez-faire economics previously associated with classical liberalism, became the basis for the emerging school of right wing libertarian thought. Today, liberal political parties remain a political force with varying degrees of power and influence on many countries (see Liberalism by country).
So when you ask me to tell you which ideas are newer or fresher, the answer has to be liberalism as it applies to the US. In Europe, classical liberalism might entail smaller government, free elections, lower taxes, which were taken up by conservatives in the US, so none of these ideas are new!
As I said, the proper question to pose is “who is right”.
Not sure who started the debate about liberals having old stale ideas, but this staleness only goes back to Roosevelt and the conservative counter arguments to Roosevelt’s liberalism are the same as they are today..
In short....”He was wrong.” “he grew Government” We want to make it smaller and more efficient, So these arguments too are just as old.
To show how the political parties in the US have flipped since WWII when social liberalism (not classical liberalism) began to get a foothold in the US democrat party, I give you the example of Ronald Reagan who switched parties when the change began to become obvious. He was not the only one.
I give you the Dixiecrats in the south and any number of small but noticeable changes to which Bill Clinton was the last of a dying breed of classical liberals. That era is finished now.
What we have now is the use of social liberalism to use the countries wealth to essentially promise shares of it's treasury the people in order to buy votes to keep the party in power.
This is all fairly new and fresh in the political history of the US, but it occurred as far back as the days of congressman Daniel Boone. Conservatives were battling this then and now with the same tactics. And we lost then and now...
Modern Democracy's like ours were only expected to last 200 years. We have exceeded that. But you can see the handwriting on the wall. I am too old and have seen too much change to believe that we can, as conservatives, change the tide that will eventually destroy the financial health of this country and probably the entire West along with it. We already saw the prequel in 2007.
It's like waiting for paint to dry for me and I might live long enough to see it, but the die is cast. It will happen..
So someone has to be here to pick up the pieces and lead the country back to functional society. That's what is important now...IMO.
pinging again for later...