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Is Rick Perry the GOP Dark Horse for 2016?
The American Spectator ^ | 3.7.14 | 9:50PM | Aaron Goldstein

Posted on 03/07/2014 10:47:55 PM PST by This Just In

I caught a bit of Rick Perry's CPAC speech today and, boy, does he have a fire in the belly.

Had we seen this fire in 2012, then perhaps he would have won the GOP nomination. Of course, Perry underwent back surgery which significantly contributed to his lackluster campaign.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2014election; 2016election; 2016gopprimary; cpac; election2014; election2016; heartless; perry2016; rickperry; texas
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1 posted on 03/07/2014 10:47:55 PM PST by This Just In
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To: This Just In

His speech was excellent, but he should have won in 2012. Honestly, if not for his cruddy debate performances, he would have been a much more formidable candidate than Romney. Where were you when we needed you, Rick?


2 posted on 03/07/2014 10:53:24 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: This Just In

My memory of his last attempt was that he was unprepared, tired and sounding kind of stupid.

Hope he comes out armed and swinging. We need all the alternatives we can get to the main stream Republican machine.


3 posted on 03/07/2014 10:54:05 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: This Just In

he was sure fired up..
I like the guy and he leaves Texas as a very prosper state. He has done a great job as their Gov..

but then I love ted cruz and I don’t think president and vp can be from same state?? is that correct?


4 posted on 03/07/2014 10:55:20 PM PST by haircutter
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To: haircutter; Viennacon; A CA Guy

I don’t believe Perry would earn the strong support a presidential ticket needs. Ted Cruz, on the other hand, would.


5 posted on 03/07/2014 10:57:56 PM PST by This Just In
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To: This Just In

6 posted on 03/07/2014 10:59:18 PM PST by Bobalu (Happiness is a fast ISR)
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To: This Just In
I would like to see a Ted Cruz or even a Sarah Palin. Let them call the Democrats the creeps they are and let them call the establishment Republicans the punks they are and let the chips fall where they will fall.

We need good people for an honest days work in political office.

7 posted on 03/07/2014 11:01:41 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: This Just In

Rick Perry had his shot, he melted in front of the cameras. He’s probably a decent fella, he couldn’t think on his feet. He is a weak debater. It’s Ted Cruz or Scott Walker for me.


8 posted on 03/07/2014 11:03:02 PM PST by TsonicTsunami08
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To: This Just In

I am still rather heartless


9 posted on 03/07/2014 11:03:31 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: A CA Guy

Ted Cruz/Rand Paul would be a strong ticket as well.


10 posted on 03/07/2014 11:03:58 PM PST by This Just In
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To: GeronL

Do you have any candidates on your radar?


11 posted on 03/07/2014 11:05:30 PM PST by This Just In
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To: This Just In

I hope not.


12 posted on 03/07/2014 11:05:43 PM PST by Republican1795.
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To: This Just In

Perry’s a strong Globalist...though I like how he speaks about our country, he’s fully on board with the Global Agenda...not sure anymore if it can even be avoided...it’s either jump on now or be left in the dust, and it’s a fast moving train on the World Stage.

...Perry jumped on a long while ago....and why his southern border’s been built up and growing rapidly. Plans it be a huge trading hub and looks to be a huge go.....Pipeline will certainly increase that. Lots of cheap labor abounds!


13 posted on 03/07/2014 11:06:26 PM PST by caww
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To: This Just In

Paul has said Obamacare is here to stay, so that alone removes him for me.


14 posted on 03/07/2014 11:06:41 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

I really like Sarah, she has more balls then 98% of the Boehner crowd.


15 posted on 03/07/2014 11:06:57 PM PST by TsonicTsunami08
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To: TsonicTsunami08

Rick Perry has done a lot for his state. In all fairness, his health at that time was a factor in his performance. Nonetheless, I don’t believe he would be a strong presidential candidate.


16 posted on 03/07/2014 11:07:51 PM PST by This Just In
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To: A CA Guy

Would you post a link of Rand Paul’s statement regarding that topic? I haven’t read about it. Thank you.


17 posted on 03/07/2014 11:09:09 PM PST by This Just In
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To: This Just In

Read about it here on FR, but don’t have the link directly.


18 posted on 03/07/2014 11:11:49 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: caww

“...it’s either jump on now or be left in the dust, and it’s a fast moving train on the World Stage.”

I don’t believe in False Dilemmas/Either-Or Fallacies.


19 posted on 03/07/2014 11:12:27 PM PST by This Just In
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To: A CA Guy

No problem. Thanks. I’ll try to find it.


20 posted on 03/07/2014 11:13:06 PM PST by This Just In
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To: This Just In

I remember there was a lot of excitement and enthusiasm when he threw his hat in the ring. He sunk like a lead balloon. I hope he’s feeling better.


21 posted on 03/07/2014 11:17:21 PM PST by TsonicTsunami08
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To: haircutter

Cruz for me. Let’s not fall for the left’s tactic posing as a conservatives all over the Internet and posting about particular candidates to get the right to split up their votes so the lefties win.


22 posted on 03/07/2014 11:17:42 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: This Just In

Ben Carson is the dark horse.


23 posted on 03/07/2014 11:18:47 PM PST by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: This Just In
I'm up for Cruz...


24 posted on 03/07/2014 11:20:32 PM PST by caww
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To: TsonicTsunami08

I hope Perry has fully recovered as well. I believe he can be of some benefit to the conservative platform, but not as a presidential candidate.


25 posted on 03/07/2014 11:20:41 PM PST by This Just In
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To: This Just In

No conservative can win UNLESS he/she starts useing the word SOCIALISM....
And in THEIR FACE put to the Ameircan people do you want socialism or NOT?..

DON’T hide from it.. shout it from the housetops..
DO YOU WANT the gIvernment in every aspect of your lives OR WHAT?..

IF you DO then vote for that....... IF NOT then vote for me..
BECAUSE I will dismantle every aspect of socialism I can find in Washington D.C. legally; not in the States but in the Capital..

PUT IT TOO EM’.... because you WILL live with that choice..
IF America is TOO DUMB to choose Capitalism THEN THEY ARE..
AND do not deserve it..

** Whats needed is a PLAIN TALKER... a simple fellow..... socialism or capitalism.... NO MIDDLE GROUND...
WHY?... because there IS NO MIDDLE GROUND.. well proven historically..


26 posted on 03/07/2014 11:21:02 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: A CA Guy

My memory of his last attempt was that he was unprepared, tired and sounding kind of stupid.
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He had just had spinal surgery in August (shortly before that debate), had a back brace and was taking meds for pain. ...The meds alone would make anyone loopy, but he kept trying.

Obviously, I’m a Rick Perry supporter. His speech at CPAC was what Perry is about regarding Conservativism. He’s done a ton of good for Texas and has had to work with a disfunctional Lt. Gov. and a Dem. State Senate (or House... don’t recall right now) leader similar to Harry Reid.


27 posted on 03/07/2014 11:21:15 PM PST by octex
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To: Viennacon

He was on lots of medication. No kidding. He was recovering from pretty significant back surgery and between the pain and the muscle relaxants I am surprised he was able to even stand up.

That being said. Can he win? Is he Conservative enough and well spoken enough to make up for the ‘Southern’ accent? He certainly sounds Conservative when he speaks. Does his record back it up?


28 posted on 03/07/2014 11:21:35 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: This Just In

Want to enlarge on that?


29 posted on 03/07/2014 11:21:46 PM PST by caww
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To: This Just In

Perry was my first choice the last time. I believed that, if he had been elected President, he would have done his best to follow through on the promises he was making. I don’t need a politician that is stylin’ to do that.


30 posted on 03/07/2014 11:24:56 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: octex
I don't doubt it and he is legend I hear in Texas, but why with all the medical spine stuff did he think he could make himself loopy and still walk in front of a camera on national television? Was that ego or does he have bad judgment?
31 posted on 03/07/2014 11:25:39 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Salvavida

Not going to happen. Why would he do it? Besides, as smart and successful as he is he has no experience what so ever in government and that is important. If only for the ability to dodge the bullets.

Perhaps a run for Senate for him, or a position in HHS or other Cabinet level position in a Republican Administration.


32 posted on 03/07/2014 11:26:55 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Jim from C-Town

His record backs it up. Some might hit him about immigration, but state governors don’t have the authority to enforce federal statutes.


33 posted on 03/07/2014 11:27:22 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: caww

I don’t believe you either “... jump on now or be left in the dust...”

Just because a number of countries support the “Global Agenda”, as you put it, doesn’t mean we need to hurry up and get on board simply because a globalist ideology exists.

If we held to that view in our countries early history, America wouldn’t be America.


34 posted on 03/07/2014 11:28:49 PM PST by This Just In
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To: hosepipe

I don’t believe you can win an election on that platform because people wish to hear ideas and soluations on a number of issues. It’s not as simple as that.


35 posted on 03/07/2014 11:31:42 PM PST by This Just In
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To: This Just In

Plain or Cruz


36 posted on 03/07/2014 11:32:09 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: A CA Guy

He was probably lucid enough, but didn’t realize how much of a toll it can be to run for President in terms of not being rested and always having to be on the go and the amount of learning that was required once you threw your hat in the ring.

My hope is that he used the last four years productively knowing that he intended to try again.


37 posted on 03/07/2014 11:33:50 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: GeronL

Alright. So you are “rather heartless”, but not that heartless. :^)


38 posted on 03/07/2014 11:34:35 PM PST by This Just In
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To: Jonty30
If he is off meds, has the smarts and fire in the belly along with a control of the facts, then good.
39 posted on 03/07/2014 11:35:41 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Jonty30; A CA Guy

Perry had a lot of financial and voter support. I can only assume that he didn’t wish to let his supporters down.


40 posted on 03/07/2014 11:37:47 PM PST by This Just In
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I don’t believe you can win an election on that platform because people wish to hear ideas and solutions on a number of issues. It’s not as simple as that.

Your WRONG.. Yes it is.. It's JUST that simple..

41 posted on 03/07/2014 11:38:15 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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I'm not saying that..but reality is this is definitely what is happening across the Globe as well as 'here'. I'm a realist TJI....I see things for what they are not what I would otherwise wish they be

Corporate America is definitely on board in a big way and already orchestrating how the USA will “fit” in their picture.....CEO'S are talking it up and getting all excited....it is what it is....and Rick Perry is a big believer in the Global Push.

42 posted on 03/07/2014 11:39:24 PM PST by caww
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He should have bowed out earlier.

He came off like s stupid version of George Bush to me at that time.

That is what he has to overcome this time.
If Palin runs she has to overcome the press pounding her for 8 years.
CRUZ will get it from all sides.

The establishment and Democrats will push the Jersey guy to be the next Bob Dole against the Democrat.

43 posted on 03/07/2014 11:41:38 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: hosepipe

“It’s JUST that simple..”

Not according to our history. Reagan himself didn’t just reduce his platform to fighting communism. I understand your point, and I respect your convictions, but it is not that simple.


44 posted on 03/07/2014 11:41:42 PM PST by This Just In
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Reagan himself didn’t just reduce his platform to fighting communism.


When Reagan was Prez voting was at least partially honest in most places..
NOW IT IS NOT... voting is totally corrupt in MOST PLACES..

You’re a dreamer.. probably a Utopian.. Voting DIED Nov.. 2012..
Probably was dead long before that but it became OBVIOUS at Nov. 2012..


45 posted on 03/07/2014 11:49:03 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: caww

Well, our Founding Father’s were not realists. They were idealists, and men of conviction and vision.

You’re approaching the issue with a reactionary solution. Those in corporate America who are globalists don’t represent ALL of corporate American. Furthermore, free trade has been around for some time.

We are all, in many ways, a part of the global community. Whether or not we’ll adopt a United Nations/Global World governance remains to be seen. Would I be surprised in a complete adoption of international law and policy? No, but I’m not one to subscribe to the, “We-give-up-and-give-in-because-everyone-else-seems-to-be-doing-it” mindset.


46 posted on 03/07/2014 11:52:07 PM PST by This Just In
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To: hosepipe

“When Reagan was Prez voting was at least partially honest in most places..”

True.

“You’re a dreamer”

Not so true.

If voting died, as you stated, why would a simple socialism platform be a game-changer?

hosepipe, the strategy is to outline ideas and solutions which will influence those who are either unsure, disenchanted, or opposed to the conservative platform. You don’t sell these goals by saying....

“Socialism or Free Trade. Pick one”


47 posted on 03/07/2014 11:58:32 PM PST by This Just In
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To: GeronL

And yet, you can’t take the time to spell her name correctly.


48 posted on 03/08/2014 12:06:14 AM PST by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: caww

If by ‘being a Globalist’ you mean someone ready to trade and sell with any other business most anyplace in the world, that sound’s good. If Globalist means we in the U.S. end if having to conform to the rules of the European Union, I say no, because we will directly and completely lose our independence. It’s enough that the United Nations sits in Washington, tax free, triple parked, happily hating all that America stands for.


49 posted on 03/08/2014 12:18:47 AM PST by lee martell
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To: octex

Perry showed confidence when he should have shown more wisdom. If he was still recuperating, he should not have been out there in that three ring circus. He cannot change all that we saw and heard repeatedly during that autumn. Stay in Texas please.


50 posted on 03/08/2014 12:23:50 AM PST by lee martell
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