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ObamaCar Replacement Batteries Cost $34,000 According to GM Dealers
Townhall.com ^ | March 8, 2014 | John Ransom

Posted on 03/08/2014 5:27:27 AM PST by Kaslin

Here’s the good news about the ObamaCar known as the Chevy Volt: There haven’t been any reported fires connected with the ObamaCar since the company recalled 8,000 of the electric vehicles—that’s one in six vehicles.

That is no fires, if you don’t count the people who’ve been “fired” from the Volt production line as sales continue to make Obama’s “one million” electric car promise just another broken dream in a crooked scheme.

Obama promised that by the time he finished as president, he’d put a million electric cars on the road.

Thankfully, he won’t quite make it.

No telling how much it would cost to put a million on the road after calculating the costs of putting 60,000 on the road.

So far the GM has manufactured only about 62,000 cars, if you count sales of the European model the Ampera.

“Sales of the Volt meanwhile fell 25.6 percent from February 2013 to 1,210 units last month,” says the GM Authority blog. “And while the Volt still holds on to the overall sales lead over the Leaf, Volt sales appear to be slowing in 2014. In January, Chevrolet moved 918 units of the Volt, down from 1,140 in January 2013 and 2,392 in December 2013.”

And despite slashing the price by $5,000, 2013 saw fewer Volt sales than 2012.

“The Volt saw a boost upwards from a November slump and sold 2,392 units in December,” says AutoblogGreen. “That puts the plug-in hybrid's annual total at 23,094, just down from the 23,461 sold in 2012.”

If Ralph Nader contended that the Corvair was “unsafe at any speed,” then I contend that the ObamaCar demand has reached it’s apex and is “unwanted at any price.”

That might be because no one can actually tell buyers what it might cost to replace the batteries in the car.

Continues the AutoblogGreen:

We called up Keyes Chevrolet in Los Angeles and were quoted a broad price range of between $3,400 and $34,000 to replace a "drive motor replacement battery" in a 2012 Volt. Tellingly, perhaps, the dealer we spoke with was not sure what replacing a 'drive motor replacement battery' (and the 'Grade B' version, at that) entails, and told us we'd have to bring a Volt in to see what's wrong with the pack to get a real estimate. We got the same confusion and numbers to replace the battery from Berger Chevrolet in Grand Rapids, Michigan. We asked GM to clarify what this $34,000 charge includes, but that information was not forthcoming.

GM’s hilarious official response to this was a non denial denial: "The high end of what you provided is not consistent with what we would expect the customer to pay," says Kevin Kelly, manager of electrification technology communications for General Motors.

And that’s the ObamaCar problem.

GM actually has manager responsible for “electrification technology communications”?

So THAT’s where the $11 billion…and more… went in the auto bailout that taxpayers got stuck for.

Divide by two, carry the one and… for only $215,696 per battery taxpayers could provide FREE batteries to every Chevy Volt owner.

That is if they could rely on a plant to manufacture the things.

Because here’s where it gets really silly.

GM expected sales of the Chevy Volt to be so robust that they got the government to “invest” $150 million in a third party manufacturing plant owned by Korean company LG Chem that can produce 50,000 to 600,000 batteries per year.

For a car that’s selling only 25,000 per year? And supposedly has batteries that last 8 years or 100,000 miles?

And still they can’t quite nail down how much it will cost to replace the batteries in the Chevy Volt.

And that’s the great telltale: We know, despite denials from the White House and GM, that the Chevy Volt really is an ObamaCarm designed by the softest minds in the federal hierarchy.

And its problem isn’t its power source.

No.

Its problem is the same that all great, signature ObamaProducts have.

Its problem is simple math.

It doesn’t add up.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: 0bamacar; chevyvolt; generalmotors; greenscam; michigan

1 posted on 03/08/2014 5:27:27 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Trade the “V” for a “D.”


2 posted on 03/08/2014 5:35:54 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: Kaslin

It makes zero sense to ever replace a battery in a Volt, since after 8 years even if you wanted to keep it going it would make more sense to invest in a new generation of electric car anyway.


3 posted on 03/08/2014 5:37:12 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Kaslin

4 posted on 03/08/2014 5:39:09 AM PST by HangnJudge
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To: Kaslin

5 posted on 03/08/2014 5:40:31 AM PST by HangnJudge
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To: Kaslin

6 posted on 03/08/2014 5:41:52 AM PST by HangnJudge
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To: 9YearLurker
No kidding. For $34,000 you could buy TWO NEW CARS or keep an 8 year old electric/hybrid running?????

Obamamath says get the battery. Common sense says...

7 posted on 03/08/2014 5:48:07 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: Former Proud Canadian; All

Only idiots would buy a Chevy volt, or any other Government motors car. Just like only idiots would buy 0bama/DemonratsCare


8 posted on 03/08/2014 5:56:51 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

My guess is that by Year 6 or Year 7 battery life will be down significantly as it would in a cell phone or computer.

So instead of a 150 drive, you may only get 50 for each charge.

8 year life is disingenuous.


9 posted on 03/08/2014 5:58:54 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Kaslin

I remember when the Prius first came out in the late 90s.
Everyone talked about how the battery replacement cost would make them unsaleable after 5 or 6 years.

Yet I’ve never found anyone willing to give me their used Prius....


10 posted on 03/08/2014 6:03:22 AM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: 9YearLurker
It makes zero sense to ever replace a battery in a Volt, since after 8 years even if you wanted to keep it going it would make more sense to invest in a new generation of electric car anyway.

Which also means that by years 6, 7, & 8 resale value approaches zilch!
11 posted on 03/08/2014 6:04:01 AM PST by slumber1 (Moderation is overrated)
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To: 9YearLurker

The engineering and tech foundation of an electric car has not changed in over 100 years.
No reason to predict a breakthrough in the next 8 years


12 posted on 03/08/2014 6:08:14 AM PST by Steven Tyler
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To: Kaslin

Odds are the dealers don’t know because they never had to do it so they’re throwing out a lowball number for replacing a small part of the electric drivetrain versus replacing the whole thing.


13 posted on 03/08/2014 6:29:19 AM PST by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: Kaslin
So THAT’s where the $11 billion…and more… went in the auto bailout that taxpayers got stuck for.

So sickening. I was talking to a guy who got stuck behind a volt on his way home in the Texas hill country. It would not go over 45 mph on some hills on a two lane road and had traffic lined up behind for about one mile.

14 posted on 03/08/2014 6:29:23 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: Kaslin

Only Dems are buying it. They deserve to get soaked.


15 posted on 03/08/2014 6:30:57 AM PST by chopperman
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To: Kaslin

Oh, and no one will know for the next 5 years the actual cost as the batteries are warrantied for 8 years and it’s only been about 3 years of sales so far.


16 posted on 03/08/2014 6:33:24 AM PST by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

If it only was doing 45mph it’s because the driver is a slowpoke. The car doesn’t have any issue with speed or acceleration. It can easily do 90mph without breaking a sweat.


17 posted on 03/08/2014 6:35:14 AM PST by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: nascarnation

“I remember when the Prius first came out in the late 90s.
Everyone talked about how the battery replacement cost would make them unsaleable after 5 or 6 years.

Yet I’ve never found anyone willing to give me their used Prius....”

I think the Prius is a well-designed, well-executed hybrid, and is the paradigm for this class of cars.

However, Prius owners are motivated by different things than other motorists: they are greenies, they feel edified by their low fossil fuel use, they are not particularly interested in driving, and they are looking for an appliance to get them from place to place.

A case in point: I have been friends with a typical liberal New England yuppie couple for many years.

He, a Liberal weenie lawyer who does not know one end of a screwdriver from the other, has a 2nd-generation Prius, which has served him very, very well. She, a physician from an old New England family, drove a VW Passat wagon, recently replaced with a Jetta TDI Sportwagen.

She HATES the Prius because of heavy steering, large turning circle (even the much larger Passat wagon had a much smaller turning circle), and harsh, uncomfortable ride.

The difference? Although by no means a motorhead, she ENJOYS driving and appreciates a well-handling car. She is unwilling to trade a fun but utilitarian vehicle for a boring one.

Do this simple test: as you drive around, see if any Prius drivers seem to be having a good time, as opposed to those driving any “driver’s car.”


18 posted on 03/08/2014 6:40:02 AM PST by paterfamilias
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To: Kaslin

Math doesn’t have to add up for $ocialists. $ocialism Is Legal Plunder - Bastiat BIG GOVERNMENT I$ CRONY $OCIALI$M

Some of the damage they have inflicted on us, our children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, great great grandchildren, etc., etc.

http://www.usdebtclock.org

Grandpa, why do we live as debt slaves?

DEFUND $ocialist collectives. DEPOPULATE $ocialist plunderers from the body politic.

Some obvious ones…

http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov

http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/caucus-members/

live - free - republic


19 posted on 03/08/2014 6:44:53 AM PST by PGalt
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To: Bogey78O

Well, he did say it was a gray haired granny with a Wendy Davis for Gov. bumper sticker, so she was probably just trying to tick off people going home from work.


20 posted on 03/08/2014 6:47:28 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: paterfamilias

Personally, I enjoy the angry looks of Prius drivers as I pass them in my Sprinter van. The large Mercedes made truck is the seeming antithesis of a Prius.


21 posted on 03/08/2014 6:47:48 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: Kaslin

Isn’t Chevy Volt the pace car that failed on the Nascar track, and I think it caught on fire too? Upset a lot of race fans, or so I heard.


22 posted on 03/08/2014 6:47:50 AM PST by Kackikat
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To: Kaslin
Unfortunately about half of the voting population are, apparently, those very idiots you talk about.

And I am starting to wonder who the real idiots are. Should you:

1. Get a free cell phone or pay for one?

2. Work for a living or collect government benefits?

3. Look after yourself or utilize "obamacare"?

4. Think and reason things out or flip on the tv and vote democrat?

So, tell me again, who are the "idiots"?

Sorry, in a dark mood today.

23 posted on 03/08/2014 6:58:41 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: Kackikat
I have no idea, but I did a search and it did

Chevy SS Pace Car Catches Fire in Daytona at Sprint Unlimited - 2014 NASCAR Sprint Cup

24 posted on 03/08/2014 6:59:04 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Hmm, yeah you really have to wonder


25 posted on 03/08/2014 7:01:22 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: nascarnation
QUOTE: I remember when the Prius first came out in the late 90s. Everyone talked about how the battery replacement cost would make them unsaleable after 5 or 6 years.

I remember that too. However, the big difference is the Prius uses NiMh batteries, where the Volt uses Li-ion. The Prius battery is ~$2500 plus labor, and is a relatively small battery.

The Prius battery has a capacity of only 1.3kWh, weighs 42 kg (93 lb)

The Volt's lithium-ion battery (Li-ion) battery pack weighs 435 lb (197 kg), and has a capacity of 16 kW•h.

26 posted on 03/08/2014 7:07:41 AM PST by jimmyray
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To: paterfamilias

I rented a Prius for a week when visiting family. I was impressed at how well it was built, but it was absolutely the worst car I’ve ever driven in terms of handling and performance. It was a nice car for puttering around neighborhood streets, but downright scary when taken on the highway or interstate. I was glad I drove one though, just so I could learn what it was like for myself.


27 posted on 03/08/2014 7:09:13 AM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: jimmyray

But you must admit that 2500 bucks in a fairly decent amount for rejuvenating an older car. But they don’t seem to be priced to reflect that.


28 posted on 03/08/2014 7:12:01 AM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: nascarnation
QUOTE: But they don’t seem to be priced to reflect that.

I agree. We looked at used ones for my daughter a couple of years ago, with high miles, and they were still very proud of them. When factoring in a replacement battery, and the payback involved, we went with a Civic instead.

QUOTE: "But you must admit that 2500 bucks in a fairly decent amount for rejuvenating an older car."

If only! That's strictly the battery replacement, and add in at least $300 for labor. After that, you still have a Corolla with 100,000+ miles on everything else, including the gas motor and transmission. It is a Toyota, though.

29 posted on 03/08/2014 7:29:49 AM PST by jimmyray
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To: Kaslin

My wife and I have seen 1 Volt in wino country since it was launched.

We see Pious’s everyday. In fact in our little cul de sac, ‘with 11 homes there are 6 Pious’s running each and everyday. Some owners are on their second Pious, and they love them.

On each shopping trip we take, we see so many Teslas, they are no longer a novelty. Lexus e vehicles are now common in this area.


30 posted on 03/08/2014 7:38:16 AM PST by Grampa Dave ( Obozo Care is a Trinity of Lies! Obozo Care is probably a serious Black Swan event.)
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To: Kaslin

hehe

Compare the Volt battery cost to the obviously MUCH more expensive cost of the Tesla battery.

Electric cars are neat technology, but still a rich man’s toy, a toy that’s ultimately being heavily subsidized by people who can’t afford one.


31 posted on 03/08/2014 7:42:18 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jimmyray

Thanks for the data and comparisons.

We have kayaks, and I’m saving money to get either a lithium battery by itself, $1200 to $1600, or the Torqueedo Kayak motor with interchange able Lithium batteries about $2000 per total unit and close to $600 for each battery.

The reason for the Lithium batteries is that they are a lot lighter and run longer unless you are pegging them at the max speed.


32 posted on 03/08/2014 7:49:19 AM PST by Grampa Dave ( Obozo Care is a Trinity of Lies! Obozo Care is probably a serious Black Swan event.)
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To: slumber1

But the morally superior preening value already received will have been priceless!


33 posted on 03/08/2014 7:50:36 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: HangnJudge

This is the “push a rope” strategy of the liberal.

Creating things that are only wanted by hobgoblins in their minds that are forever running scared from their own shadows on this globe. And lassoing everybody else into supporting it whether they want to or not.

They worry the globe might die due to some small perturbation in atmospheric gases caused by “fossil” fuel burning. They don’t notice that they will all die themselves, and are pretty cavalier about making unborn babies die and inconvenient seniors die.

Turns out that that old fuddy duddy theology had it right after all. God and the devil. Salvation and death. God never asked for the creation of things like this under the auspices of governments using taxes. If some rich eccentric inventor wants to sink his fortune into making an electric car that he hopes to persuade people to want, that is wonderful. Because that scenario might actually push the idea towards practicality. All this subsidization will not push the idea towards practicality.


34 posted on 03/08/2014 7:54:23 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: 9YearLurker

Ah yes, the MSPV.


35 posted on 03/08/2014 7:55:31 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Well folks can take the easy road but they can’t escape the dark consequences.

It isn’t just for our own self-applause that we take the hard road. Because we die anyhow and who applauds at cemeteries?

There is a God. There’s also a devil that humanity had made a deal with. God has provided the road out of that anyhow, and a Guide to that road. But we have to actually take it. And this is where all that old fashioned theology about a Savior starts to click and make sense. When people are ready to accept it.


36 posted on 03/08/2014 8:00:14 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Kaslin

I always thought that a good investment was to buy Volts, then part them out.


37 posted on 03/08/2014 8:00:27 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Grampa Dave

I’m in SE Michigan, home of GM and I have only seen the Volt 6-7 times. With the winter we’ve had all the Volts are in the garage for the season.


38 posted on 03/08/2014 8:12:33 AM PST by FreedomGuru (Time for torches and pitchforks.)
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To: FreedomGuru

“I’m in SE Michigan, home of GM and I have only seen the Volt 6-7 times. With the winter we’ve had all the Volts are in the garage for the season.”

Our Volt sightings are probably the norm.


39 posted on 03/08/2014 8:17:47 AM PST by Grampa Dave ( Obozo Care is a Trinity of Lies! Obozo Care is probably a serious Black Swan event.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Kaslin.


40 posted on 03/08/2014 8:37:54 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: FreedomGuru

Same here and I can’t remember seeing any but I don’t get to town much these days.

I just wonder how many have been destroyed by the cold. I’m assuming they need a regular charge whether they’re driven or not.


41 posted on 03/08/2014 8:46:54 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Kaslin

“unwanted at any price.” indeed Obama or the Volt.


42 posted on 03/08/2014 8:58:15 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: jimmyray
The Volt's lithium-ion battery (Li-ion) battery pack weighs 435 lb (197 kg), and has a capacity of 16 kWh

It's also six foot long. GM, IIRC, also billed every Volt dealer another $5000 for specialized battery de-powering tooling over and above previous five grand tooling as part of GM's effort to re-distribute costs to the dealer. Previously the dealer sent the entire six foot 435lb behemoth to the factory for servicing. Now GM wants the dealer to break down the assembly on site. Numerous small Volt dealers have dropped the Volt line as the first tooling charge had yet to pay for itself.

Cut away top view

Chassis view

I've been wondering how the battery was installed initially and after long searching haven't been able to find facts or photos showing the process. Very telling however are the PR photos of just the battery itself. Lab photos show a special built dumb cart as opposed to the "SmartKart" on the factory floor. That job has hydraulic lifters, multigauge control instrument module and other unidentifiable gizmos.

What is clear is that removal and re-installation is done from below and involves removal and replacement of the corrective reinforcing plates that solved the first problem. That means that the single post hydraulic car lift can't be used as it's in the way. Also, it's clearly at least a two man job to position the assembly for re-install. That's one guy not working on another car for a time And rubber mallets and crow bars aren't in that tool kit. Around here most shops have center post lifts, so there you go.

By the time the full parts and labor bill is tallied I guarantee labor alone is over a grand.

The next short coming is the lack of current or future second party sources for these batteries. Sears and Pep Boys won't be available for savings as there is only the one LG plant in Michigan making these things, and they're already underutilized. No one in their right mind is going to tool up to make a custom battery that size and with such a tiny market.

43 posted on 03/08/2014 10:24:22 AM PST by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Kaslin

So $34000. for a dud! Oy vey...taxpayer dollars at work.


44 posted on 03/08/2014 2:42:35 PM PST by Kackikat
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