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Russia’s information warriors are on the march – we must respond
The Telegraph ^ | 07 Mar 2014 | By Anne Applebaum

Posted on 03/08/2014 11:17:40 AM PST by Grzegorz 246

A robust campaign to tell the truth about Crimea is needed to counter Moscow’s lies

'Russian television news is reporting…” Nowadays, when I hear those words pronounced on the BBC or ITN, I can’t help but wince. Over the past 10 days, Russian television news has reported, among other things, that 675,000 Ukrainian refugees have flooded over the Russian border; that extremists and neo-Nazi militants have illegally taken over the Ukrainian government in Kiev; and that Crimean “self-defence forces” or “pro-Russian forces” have spontaneously gathered in front of the Crimean parliament in order to defend it from those same Nazis.

Each of these statements is a lie: there are no refugees flooding into Russia. The queues of cars that appeared on broadcasts were found to be taken at a Polish border point, which thousands cross in any case every day. Nor have extremists and neo-Nazis taken over in Kiev: the elected parliament has now formed the government in Ukraine, following the president’s extraordinary decision to discard a negotiated agreement and flee the country.

Let’s be clear about the “self-defence forces” in Crimea – sometimes called “pro-Russian forces”: they are Russian troops. They are driving vehicles with Russian plates. Their machine guns are definitely not for sale at local shops. They have not arrived in Crimea to defend the local Russians from attack because local Russians were not under attack. They are there to create hysteria, to undermine the government in Kiev, and to persuade outsiders that the accelerating Russian occupation of Crimea is legitimate – and perhaps that the coming occupation of eastern Ukraine, or other parts of Ukraine, is legitimate too.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: propaganda; ukraine

1 posted on 03/08/2014 11:17:40 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246
ACORN/Organizing for America is taking notes


2 posted on 03/08/2014 11:22:11 AM PST by darkwing104 (Forgive but don't forget)
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To: Grzegorz 246
A robust campaign to tell the truth about Crimea is needed to counter Moscow’s lies

As if Washington D.C., the District of Criminals, a.k.a. Mordor on the Potomac, the sodomites in Brussels or their Corporate Media mouthpieces have any more credibility than Moscow.

3 posted on 03/08/2014 11:22:16 AM PST by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Grzegorz 246

I am so sick of propaganda on both sides.

The best example are Russia Today and the BBC’s YouTube channels. On the former are videos such as: ‘Neo-Nazis March Against Yushchenko’ and ‘Rioters Attack Police’. The latter has: ‘Protester Peacefully Plays Piano’, ‘Protesters Offer Riot Police Cupcakes’ and ‘Snipers Targets Peaceful Demonstrators’.


4 posted on 03/08/2014 11:25:19 AM PST by PaulCruz2016
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To: Grzegorz 246

The liberals are upset that Russia’s propaganda is more effective than their propaganda.

The truth is the west and Russia battled for control of Ukraine. Russia outfoxed the West. The US is also pissed because the MSM can’t cover up Obama’s incompetence on this one.


5 posted on 03/08/2014 11:26:24 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

Why do you keep trying to change the subject, Count?


6 posted on 03/08/2014 11:26:34 AM PST by Parmenio
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

Actually, the Russian propaganda machine runs circles around ours. Ours are taking notes (ref. another post above).


7 posted on 03/08/2014 11:26:56 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

True. And it seems each side prefers their home grown propaganda to the other guys propaganda.

Our propaganda refuses to admit this “revolution” was anything other than a western funded takedown of an elected government ( like our backing of various Arab Spring stuff ). Its just, like our inability to translate the word “RESET” into Russian, an epic failure. We backed a clown who couldn’t rule and who was out maneuvered by a perfectly predictable outcome.

So the non elected militantly established Ukraine government is supposedly legitimate and the militant response to militant uprising is supposedly an illegitimate response to an “elected government”

Whats particularly amusing to me is hearing people bang on about how bad Russia is for doing precisely what the US has done in many situations in our own hemisphere and in the eastern one too.


8 posted on 03/08/2014 12:02:57 PM PST by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

Satellite images would show BS and the Ukraine needs to blow a pipeline to send a message to Russia.
That oil is blood to Russia, so bleed Russia out.


9 posted on 03/08/2014 12:05:25 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

Precisely what I was thinking.


10 posted on 03/08/2014 12:06:56 PM PST by Rich21IE
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To: Grzegorz 246

Russia has always had it’s anti-American supporters among us, it still does.


11 posted on 03/08/2014 12:07:38 PM PST by ansel12
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To: Grzegorz 246

“In one thousand years Russia hasn’t liberated any nation, and only conquered and enslaved others!” — Frederick Forsythe.


12 posted on 03/08/2014 12:08:44 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: Grzegorz 246

Russia’s faithful propagandists and useful idiots are among us on this forum.


13 posted on 03/08/2014 12:09:49 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

Changing the subject or not you are right.


14 posted on 03/08/2014 12:10:16 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: wonkowasright
Your laughable moral equivalency is unworthy of response except for this - some Putin porn to keep your loins quivering.


15 posted on 03/08/2014 12:22:10 PM PST by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: ansel12
"...anti-American supporters among us..."

I heard there was once a 'land of the free' called America where the Obama socialist dictatorship now stands.

16 posted on 03/08/2014 12:23:50 PM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: ansel12
Russia has always had it’s anti-American supporters among us, it still does.

We hired them to rule over US.

17 posted on 03/08/2014 12:26:39 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Earthdweller

That is an excellent example of this mindless support for strengthening Russia, it was irrelevant to the larger concerns that will be occupying us 10 and 20 years from now and face a Russian empire and China.....again.


18 posted on 03/08/2014 12:31:20 PM PST by ansel12
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To: Just mythoughts

Meaningless, childish murmurings.


19 posted on 03/08/2014 12:34:58 PM PST by ansel12
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To: ansel12
Meaningless, childish murmurings.

This president we hired to rule over us is as 'anti-American' as Putin.

20 posted on 03/08/2014 12:37:27 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: ansel12

You need to check your alarm clock..time to wake-up to the brave new “transformed” world.


21 posted on 03/08/2014 12:40:14 PM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: Parmenio
Why do you keep trying to change the subject, Count?

Because I don't want people on our side to lose focus on who the real enemy is. Putin maybe a bad guy, I never met the man, but he is not an anti-family, anti-Christian, anti-prosperity weirdo wrecking his own country and he is not wrecking my country. Obama is wrecking my country, RIGHT NOW! And as bad as Obama is, the men who fund him, who put him into power, and who give him his marching orders ARE WORSE! The men running Obama are the same ones behind the overthrow of Libya, the same ones arming Christian killing Al Qaeda terrorists to overthrow Syria, the sames ones behind the ongoing overthrow of Ukraine, the same ones telling me how bad Putin and the Russians are. And they are the same ones trying to overthrow my Constitutional Republic and my entire Civilization. The Globalists are the instigators of this whole Ukraine situation and are a threat to us just as much as they are a threat to Russia. They are a threat to all Humanity.

22 posted on 03/08/2014 1:51:44 PM PST by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

I’m not nearly so sure about Putin’s Christianity as you. As I remember, when Putin visited Bush’s ranch in Crawford, Texas, he was interviewed by kids at the local High School, he was asked what his religion was. His answer: I am an atheist.

Might it be that Putin, that old former crafty anti-God KGB agent, only uses the Russian Orthodox Church to further his political aims? I would hope his alleged conversion is genuine, I have my doubts.


23 posted on 03/08/2014 2:51:08 PM PST by sasportas
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To: wonkowasright
Whats particularly amusing to me is hearing people bang on about how bad Russia is for doing precisely what the US has done in many situations in our own hemisphere and in the eastern one too.

[Racking my brain tying to recall when the US sent troops wearing no insignia to occupy someone, that the US still occupies.]

24 posted on 03/08/2014 3:21:16 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Count of Monte Fisto; Parmenio
A robust campaign to tell the truth about Crimea is needed to counter Moscow’s lies As if Washington D.C., the District of Criminals, a.k.a. Mordor on the Potomac, the sodomites in Brussels or their Corporate Media mouthpieces have any more credibility than Moscow.

Amen, Count. We are being sold the dumb lie that "Ukraine is all good; Russia is all bad." The enemy of my enemy might still be my enemy. The enemy of my enemy might have a mix of good and bad.

Why can't we just admit that such upheavals MOST OFTEN have a mix of good and bad. We need to be honest about the bad apples and work to get rid of them.

The fact is that 3 high cabinet posts were given to the founder of neo-Nazi party Svoboda and 2 of his cronies. They are national security secretary, defense, deputy prime minister.

National Security & Defense Council Secretary

National Security & Defense Council Secretary

Co-Founder of Svoboda: Andriy Parubiy (43) — A seasoned politician with the Maidan seal of approval, Parubiy has served as a lawmaker in the Verkhovna Rada since 2007, first for Our Ukraine, then for Fatherland. Served as coordinator of the Euromaidan’s Samooborona self-defense forces, and helped negotiate a cease-fire with police following last week's bloodshed. Dmytro Yarosh, the head of the nationalist Right Sector, had been offered a deputy post on the council, but has not yet agreed to the terms. Unlike cabinet ministers, his post was approved by the interim president.

Defense Minister

Rear Admiral Ihor TenyukhRear Admiral Ihor Tenyukh Rear Admiral Ihor Tenyukh Ihor Tenyukh (55) — Rear admiral and former commander of the Ukrainian Navy, Tenyukh provoked Russian animosity in 2008 when he ordered vessels to block the entrance of the Russian Navy to the bay of Sevastopol during the Russia-Georgia War. Two years later, he was dismissed from his position by Yanukovych. Tenyukh played an active role during the Euromaidan protests, calling on members of the armed forces to defy “illegal” orders from the authorities. Lviv native and member of the nationalist Svoboda party.

Deputy Prime Minister

Oleksandr Sych (49) — A member of parliament from the nationalist Svoboda party, Sych has served as the party's longtime ideological chief and the head of its regional organizations in Ivano-Frankivsk. Has worked as a history professor and has authored numerous essays on the history of Ukraine's liberation movement. Coauthored a controversial bill proposing to ban abortion except in instances of medical need or documented rape. Has said women have the right to not get pregnant, but should do so by “leading an orderly life.”

25 posted on 03/08/2014 3:46:58 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

Its also ironic to me that at the invitation of Abe Lincoln Russia sent two squadrons of its navy to harbor in New York and San Francisco harbor where they remained for seven months to deter any British naval assailants who might have been thinking of using our internal divisions to their own ends.

This was in 1863 an mere 54 years before the advent of Marxism. Today we are beset by those who are unable to seperate the ideology of marxism from todays Russia.

Instead they are pawns of those who are heck bent to get a fight between east and west stirred up.


26 posted on 03/08/2014 4:26:40 PM PST by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: ansel12
I wonder if this crowd would have been cheering for Adolf and Tojo during WW2... after all FDR was pro big government/pro-union and all...
27 posted on 03/08/2014 5:36:06 PM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246

We imagine some Chinese Majors writing about asymmetric warfare are the threat. It’s the Redfellas. There is no meaningful distinction between military-governmental, corporate and organized crime hacking. “You don’t understand, it’s a higher calling.”


28 posted on 03/08/2014 8:23:53 PM PST by CharlesOConnell (CharlesOConnell)
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To: Grzegorz 246

To understand what’s behind the Russian takover of Crimea, google:

Skifska Natural Gas Field


29 posted on 03/08/2014 8:45:21 PM PST by gandalftb (Go OK State Cowboys!!)
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To: sasportas

Putin is as much of a Communist as Gennedy Zyuganov, the leader of the Russian Communist Party.

Read the CPRF website, and you will see that they agree 100% with the actions of the Putin government.


30 posted on 03/08/2014 9:07:16 PM PST by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: Thunder90

Veeery interesting. I wasn’t aware of that. Thanks.


31 posted on 03/08/2014 10:22:53 PM PST by sasportas
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To: wonkowasright
You make a good point. Christian Russia was our ally for many years. The Communists spent just as long trying overthrow the Christan monarchy and the Christian civilization there. I don't know how many of the Tzars and heads of state the Red terrorists killed or tried to kill over decades. And the Communists were in effect a foreign power that conquered those people. Lenin, Trotsky, and his terror gangs were based and financed out of the New York. They didn't represent the Christian Russian people. They killed millions of them and instituted a brutal police state to keep them in line.

Putin may be a strongman and a dictator but he definitively not a Communist. I'd say he was closest to Franco. I don't think Russia is Communist anymore.

And that is why I think the Globo-Commie in the White House and the Globo-Commies in London and the EU are so antagonistic toward Russia and Putin.

32 posted on 03/09/2014 9:12:27 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

BS. The EU has no interest in a clash with Putin since Europe is the major trading partner of Russia. There might be some lip-service, but the business will never stop.

Putin is as much democratic as Obama or Merkel. He has nothing to do with Franco, who was indeed a dictator. All representative democracies are somehow “guided” democracies. Some more some less. The only real free country to me is Switzerland where you have a working direct democracy. All others are guided by elites and not by the people. Even your system in the US is far from being perfect.

Regards from Europe

Andreas


33 posted on 03/09/2014 10:10:11 AM PDT by European Guest (De omnibus dubitandum)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

“I don’t think Russia is Communist anymore.”

LOL ! So what ? China these days is more market oriented than majority of the west. Are you going to cheer for Beijing guys too when they decide to invade Taiwan ?


34 posted on 03/09/2014 11:55:13 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Thunder90

As the late Dr. Fred Schwarz so ablely wrote: “You Can Trust the Communists to be Communists”.

Putin is still KGB. Only the letters have been changed to confuse the innocent.

The Cold War never ended. It only went into a planned hiberation for a few years until things settled down and then up popped Putin and the arms race was on again.
He fooled Bush senior, Clinton (Not hard to do), Bush Jr, Hillary, Obama, Kerry, Hagel, Dempsey and the other surrender monkeys who haven’t a clue as to what is really going on in this world.

And Red China is our friend, right?

Might as well make kissy face with the Moslem Brotherhood while we are at it. Send a NASA representative to tell them how great we are in space, which is where they would send his head.

Reality sucks, and right now the world is one big sucker.

Go through a list of the nations of the UN and see how many support us. Scratch most of Latin America, Africa, Middle East, Asia Minor, SE Asia (might have a few up & coming friends there if they survive Red China’s tiger), and the European Union members.

Let’s face it folks, freedom is under severe attack and on the decline all over the world, and Obama plays with his putter and his balls while Rome burns.


35 posted on 03/09/2014 11:14:58 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: wonkowasright
Crimea today, Ukraine tomorrow.
36 posted on 03/10/2014 8:07:08 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Revolting cat!

They are mesmerized by Putin’s naked chest.


37 posted on 03/10/2014 8:08:33 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: sasportas
That would be a no shit sherlock. Putin is no more Christian than Dawkins. He is smart to have the backing of the Church behind him. It's all show. I mean how Christian can one be who throws reporters down stairs and radiation poisons his enemies.
38 posted on 03/10/2014 8:10:46 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: xzins
I'm less scared of Neo-nazis than I am of Communists. Communists have been responsible for the deaths of 100 million in the last century.
39 posted on 03/10/2014 8:11:57 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Grzegorz 246

And his administration was chalk full of communists. I would have been cheering for Hitler when he turned on the Russians.


40 posted on 03/10/2014 8:13:02 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Sam Gamgee
I'm less scared of Neo-nazis than I am of Communists. Communists have been responsible for the deaths of 100 million in the last century.

So, are you saying there are communists in the new Ukrainian parliament? If so, I'm in favor of getting rid of them, too.

41 posted on 03/10/2014 9:00:23 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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