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Heroin Scourge Overtakes a ‘Quaint’ Vermont Town
NYTimes ^ | 3/5/14 | By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE

Posted on 03/08/2014 2:46:05 PM PST by mgist

Stephanie Predel is off heroin. But the Bennington, Vt., area, where she lives, is in the throes of an epidemic. BENNINGTON, Vt. — Stephanie Predel, a stick-thin 23-year-old freshly out of jail, said she was off heroin. But she knows precisely where she could get more drugs if she ever wanted them — at the support meetings for addicts. “I can get most of my drugs right at the meeting,” she said. “Drug dealers go because they know they’re going to get business.” She added, “People are going into the bathroom to get high.” Bennington, a pre-Revolutionary town of 17,000 people, presents another face of the heroin epidemic that has swept through Vermont. In January, Gov. Peter Shumlin devoted his entire State of the State address to what he said was a “full-blown heroin crisis” gripping the state. In an interview later, he said that the state’s localities had managed only a patchwork response. Citing Rutland’s antidrug crusade as a hopeful sign, he said that not all areas had felt the same urgency. “Bennington is where Rutland was four years ago,” he said.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: Vermont
KEYWORDS: addiction; bennington; heroin; vermont
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There was no heroin around in the 80's. Media talking heads claim that the problem arose from lack of prescription pain killers. It is, and will always be demand and supply. There is suddenly a huge supply of highly addictive, pure heroin, in our American cities. Why?

Maybe the people who pushed the lie about the"failed" war on terror had their own money making interests in mind.

http://www.fmr.no/george-soros-agenda-for-drug-legalization-death-and-welfare.78404-10285.html

1 posted on 03/08/2014 2:46:05 PM PST by mgist
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To: mgist

This is no joke. DOYLESTOWN, Pa. - March 7, 2014 (WPVI)

“Our whole nation is being flooded with heroin,” said District Attorney David Heckler.

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=9455706

— The Bucks County District Attorney has announced a new effort to crack down on what he calls a heroin and opiate epidemic engulfing the community.

One of the goals of the District Attorney’s office is to trace an overdose death back to the dealer and treat it as a homicide, but the DA says he needs help to get there.


2 posted on 03/08/2014 2:49:15 PM PST by mgist (.)
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To: mgist

3 posted on 03/08/2014 2:53:40 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: mgist

“One of the goals of the District Attorney’s office is to trace an overdose death back to the dealer and treat it as a homicide, but the DA says he needs help to get there.”

Look to Wisconsin! We have the ‘Len Bias’ Law which allows We The People to try and convict dealers of murder when they kill off their customer base.


4 posted on 03/08/2014 2:53:43 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: mgist
Why?

Will venture a guess ... certain people travel but have immunity?!?

5 posted on 03/08/2014 2:55:41 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: mgist

Afghanistan


6 posted on 03/08/2014 3:01:22 PM PST by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Len Bias——I haven’t heard that name in years.Huge news here in the Boston area.

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7 posted on 03/08/2014 3:02:08 PM PST by Mears
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To: mgist

Bennington, VT is the location of Bennington College, the East Coast-equivalent of Evergreen State University. I doubt that this is a coincidence.


8 posted on 03/08/2014 3:02:32 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (Richard Warman censors free speech.)
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To: yldstrk

or diplomats?!?


9 posted on 03/08/2014 3:02:54 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: mgist
Medicinal heroin strikes another disgustingly blue state.
10 posted on 03/08/2014 3:04:02 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: Mears

My mistake - it’s a national law. The DA Doesn’t know that? Come on.


11 posted on 03/08/2014 3:05:56 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: mgist

The seventies have a small town scourge of heroin in Northern New England. About 72 to 76. The locals I was familiar with went after the pushers. Hard.


12 posted on 03/08/2014 3:06:04 PM PST by Chickensoup (leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: mgist

One of the goals of the District Attorney’s office is to trace an overdose death back to the dealer and treat it as a homicide, but the DA says he needs help to get there.


Follow it back further and see how many first got hooked on prescrition opiates. They moved to the street when they could no longer obtain or afford the meds.

The supply of cheap heroin is following the demand of addicts.


13 posted on 03/08/2014 3:11:11 PM PST by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: mgist
Vermont is a liberal Paradise.
14 posted on 03/08/2014 3:14:19 PM PST by angcat
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To: yldstrk

Yes, Afghanistan. Every heroin OD death is another casualty of our involvement there. Not every soldier we send over there is a choirboy.

I live in a comfortable suburban community north of Indy; we are getting hammered with heroin abuse among our kids. Thirty years ago heroin was pretty much just a “black thing” down in the ‘hood. Not any more.

Our local dope cops aren’t doing dick about the problem. They’d rather kick down the doors of some recent college grads to find a little weed in their apartment. They haven’t done a heroin dealer bust in two years. They’re pretty much worthless.


15 posted on 03/08/2014 3:15:02 PM PST by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: mgist
There was no heroin around in the 80's. Media talking heads claim that the problem arose from lack of prescription pain killers. It is, and will always be demand and supply. There is suddenly a huge supply of highly addictive, pure heroin, in our American cities. Why?

There has been in big cities like New York since before the 80's. Otherwise you are correct that it wasn't available in smaller towns and cities.

Morphine is a prescription pain killer derived from the same poppy plant that produces heroin. You mean we have a shortage of that and/or it doesn't work?

I don't know why anyone would willingly want to do heroin unless they want to make money from it. It is totally stupid, make that almost suicidal, to play with highly addictive drugs.

I've known heroin addicts, more than I would have thought in my lifetime. They say cigarettes are worse for addiction. I don't believe it. I quit 2+ packs a day cold turkey about 3 years ago now, with God's help. Heroin can kill you if you try to quit cold turkey and I think it would be more addictive even though I've never tried any street drugs.

16 posted on 03/08/2014 3:15:19 PM PST by Aliska
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To: SamAdams76

17 posted on 03/08/2014 3:15:47 PM PST by palmer (There's someone in my lead but it's not me)
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To: henkster

Not every soldier we send over there is a choirboy.

What exactly are you talking about?


18 posted on 03/08/2014 3:17:33 PM PST by angcat
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To: mgist

A tragedy. And it is one of the BIG differences between NA and AA. The number of connections one can make at an NA meeting is astonishing. There also seems to be a brain chemistry kick in, a contact high, that druggies get from hearing stories of using.

I feel sorry for any community over run by the addicted. All one has to b=do is look at Zurich and Needle Park at the end of 80s and into the 90s to see what will be the long term result.


19 posted on 03/08/2014 3:20:20 PM PST by Nifster
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To: angcat

That gangs deliberately infiltrate the armed forces and the soldiers use their position to assist in the shipment of heroin back to the United States. Do all them do this? No. Do the majority do this? No. But if you believe none of them do, you are being quite naive.


20 posted on 03/08/2014 3:22:14 PM PST by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: mgist

But drugs are okay...do what you want...

Name your new album “Pure Heroine” as a play on the drug...


21 posted on 03/08/2014 3:22:29 PM PST by ltc8k6
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To: mgist
Availability, cost, and peer pressure get some young people stated down this road. I think college towns are more susceptible too.
22 posted on 03/08/2014 3:24:28 PM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: henkster

I hate to see kids get involved


23 posted on 03/08/2014 3:24:49 PM PST by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: mgist
Many Vermont towns (Bethel, Randolph, etc.) look like poverty-stricken third-world hellholes.

Bennington isn't one of them. One of my Revolutionary War ancestors holds a place of honor on the grounds of the Bennington Battle Monument. It figures something would come along to tarnish the memories of those heroes.

24 posted on 03/08/2014 3:25:54 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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It’s the high school kids and college age kids where the problem is most widespread. And heroin is absolutely destroying their lives.


25 posted on 03/08/2014 3:27:16 PM PST by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: mgist








if you want to keep your doctor
I want a piece of the action








26 posted on 03/08/2014 3:28:06 PM PST by devolve (- Tell Vladimir after my erection I have more FLEXIBILITY -- I need more SPACE - BHO Jr -)
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To: henkster

Our local dope cops aren’t doing dick about the problem. They’d rather kick down the doors of some recent college grads to find a little weed in their apartment. They haven’t done a heroin dealer bust in two years. They’re pretty much worthless...

The recent college grads with a little weed in their apartments aren’t paying off the cops.


27 posted on 03/08/2014 3:30:18 PM PST by Hepsabeth
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To: mgist; fatima; Fresh Wind; st.eqed; xsmommy; House Atreides; Nowhere Man; South Hawthorne; ...
PA Ping! (See post #2)

If you see posts of interest to Pennsylvanians, please ping me.

Thanks!

28 posted on 03/08/2014 3:30:30 PM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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Because the D of C wants tons of heroin on American streets, just like they wanted crack cocaine on the streets in the 80’s.

Satanically evil to the core


29 posted on 03/08/2014 3:33:21 PM PST by winodog
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To: mgist

Anti-business state. You reap what you sow.


30 posted on 03/08/2014 3:33:26 PM PST by Third Person
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To: henkster

The military loads planes and brings it here on orders from above. Its not just gangbangers smuggling it.


31 posted on 03/08/2014 3:35:28 PM PST by winodog
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To: mgist

Mexicans invasion of the USA , Afghan production exploding after we forbade our forces from damaging poppy fields, heroin chic looking models, and pop culture pushed on our kids.

Next question.


32 posted on 03/08/2014 3:36:13 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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Not to mention allowing tens of millions to get hooked on prescribed chemical heroin and now cracking down


33 posted on 03/08/2014 3:38:34 PM PST by winodog
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To: henkster

How can this be done? I’m sorry but this sounds very unbelievable.


34 posted on 03/08/2014 3:40:13 PM PST by angcat
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To: angcat

When there’s money to be made, and lots of it, things get done. Supply and demand, demand will get supply.


35 posted on 03/08/2014 3:42:47 PM PST by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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It isn’t our troops. Certainly not in any meaningful way. Just not as possible as today’s hit movies make that seem.
But our military is responsible for it in a different way.
Our wise leaders have decreed that nobody may interfere with poppy flower production. Afghan heroin cultivation has exploded since we have been there.
The government even admits that.

It isn’t our soldiers.


36 posted on 03/08/2014 3:47:07 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:NJ01mF6sg7gJ:www.vocativ.com/usa/uncategorized/kabul-connection-soldier-west-point-graduates-heroin/+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us


37 posted on 03/08/2014 3:50:03 PM PST by angcat
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To: mgist

China White & Hong Kong Rock have almost always been available on the West Coast. When I was in the Navy,(mid-seventies to mid-eighties), we had a meeting prior to pulling into Hong Kong. The ships Master-At-Arms presented to us Swabbies a dram vial half full of a light pinkish substance which he claimed to be Hong Kong Rock and the purity of it was such that it could kill on the spot. He said the amount in the vial cost $50, but it was worth $2,000 on the street back home.

In the mid-nineties an acquaintance of mine went missing on a walkabout/escape from his old lady in Oregon. This character, who I knew as Lee, (his real name was James Ramaley, but most people knew him by a different alias), was a designer dope cook, who actually was a chemist (his knowledge was my interest as I needed some tutoring in my college chemistry studies). For some reason, his by now former girl friend was positive that I knew where he was. A few years later, I discovered what had become of him...he was found dead in a street pay toilet in San Francisco...

http://www.mistersf.com/notorious/index.html?nottoilet.htm


38 posted on 03/08/2014 3:52:59 PM PST by Birdsbane ("Onward through the fog!" ... Oat Willie)
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If they were not dieing from heroin they would likely be dieing from drink.

Pretty much the same thing. Hell, I can't think of a difference besides one being legal and the other not.

Alcohol is one powerful, dangerous and addictive drug. Few escape it.

39 posted on 03/08/2014 4:06:17 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Aliska

Actually there was a shortage of morphine about a year ago. We had a real tough time keeping it in stock at hospitals.


40 posted on 03/08/2014 4:07:15 PM PST by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: DesertRhino

If we (and that is the United States military) didn’t want opium poppies growing in Afghanistan, we might not be able to stop it but we could, and would, sure as hell put a big crimp on their cultivation. I agree with you; our government doesn’t want cultivation stopped and isn’t acting against it. But once the soldiers see what’s going on, they will make money off it if they can.

I’m sorry but it’s human nature. Again, it’s not all of them or even a significant number of them. But to deny that any are involved is naive.


41 posted on 03/08/2014 4:07:26 PM PST by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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“Our whole nation is being flooded with heroin,”

Funny, I've never met a junkie in my life. Never even saw one that I know of.

I've meet about a half dozen that were addicted to pain killers though. About the same number I've met that are addicted to alcohol.

42 posted on 03/08/2014 4:09:31 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Aliska

Also opiates like heroin do NOT cause dangerous withdrawal symptoms.
They are very addictive and withdrawal is very uncomfortable, but not dangerous. Alcohol, and benzodiazepines, like Valium are much more dangerous to withdraw from.


43 posted on 03/08/2014 4:09:58 PM PST by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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As long as she keeps her nicotine addiction alive, she'll never be rid of her other substance addictions.

44 posted on 03/08/2014 4:13:45 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (If Barack Hussein Obama entertains a thought that he does not verbalize, is it still a lie?)
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To: mgist

It is cheaper and the quality is better. And, thanks to better transportation out of Central Asia and Mexico, it is coming in to our country in large amounts.

The consistency of the product means it is less likely you will OD.

Cheap, available, and higher quality will drive ANY product. Toss in the depression hitting lots of communities, people will turn to drugs in droves.

And, for these rural communities, it’s not going to get better.

(And New England is the entry point for huge amounts of drugs over a still pours border with Canada.)


45 posted on 03/08/2014 4:14:11 PM PST by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: SamAdams76

Sad. Vermont is such a beautiful state. She looks almost feral.


46 posted on 03/08/2014 4:16:02 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Kozak
"Alcohol, and benzodiazepines"

The only two that can kill upon abrupt withdraw.

Everything else is a notch down.

Having once been addicted (and, thankfully no longer) to the first two mentioned I can Testify.

Notice both of those are legal.

Pot helped me kick both and kicking pot was as easy as a walk with a beautiful woman in comparison.

I'll not be ashamed for using that crutch.

47 posted on 03/08/2014 4:16:34 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: who knows what evil?

Bennington is pretty small town stuff. Five miles outside the pretty Vermont postcard town (or outside ANY Vermont town) is Appalachia. Some areas are worse than the slums in any urban center.

It is really sad. The Dairy business is dying. The is little manufacturing. The regulations make it difficult to do ANYTHING to make things better.

It’s pretty as a postcard. I wouldn’t live there or raise my kids in most any part.


48 posted on 03/08/2014 4:19:25 PM PST by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: mgist

Here in small town Wisconsin, heroin is a huge problem. I know of kids in prison, going to prison or slowly killing themselves. It is devastating to the families and the communities. Occasionally, there will be a bust, but, yes, the cops prefer to arrest someone with pot. Having taken prescription pain killers on occasion, I can almost get it, the hook, but I know better than to take it even as much as prescribed. From what I understand, with heroin, some can become immediate addicts. That is scary!

I grew up in Vermont. The college towns draw in everyone from everywhere. I am not surprised, but am saddened. Friends back east are concerned and not sure what to do. I may not like the direction Vermont has taken, but hate that this is happening.


49 posted on 03/08/2014 4:27:10 PM PST by ozaukeemom (Is there even a republic left?)
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Are there NO parents in ANY of these cases?
Are there NO families or friends, ministers or teachers around to mentor?
THOSE vacancies can USUALLY predict trouble for the abandoned teens.
50 posted on 03/08/2014 4:33:14 PM PST by cloudmountain
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