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Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370- the manifest
03-08-2014 | Me

Posted on 03/08/2014 6:07:37 PM PST by Kevin in California

I saw the passenger manifest and cannot make sense of the two children from the USA that were onboard.

From the names that were listed, I didn't see anything there that indicated their parents were passengers. Of course, maybe some kin/friends were accompanying them.

Just my conspiracy theory so take it for what it's worth.


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: malaysia; maldives; mh370; phillipwood; sarahhamilbajc

1 posted on 03/08/2014 6:07:37 PM PST by Kevin in California
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To: Kevin in California

I wouldn’t go as far as to say it’s a conspiracy, unless they were flying on the stolen passports.


2 posted on 03/08/2014 6:09:01 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Kevin in California

Link to manifest?


3 posted on 03/08/2014 6:10:24 PM PST by wtd
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To: 1rudeboy

Now that would be strange, but parents do often put their kids on flights unaccompanied to be met at the other end by family, etc.


4 posted on 03/08/2014 6:10:30 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Kevin in California

Chinese parents? Perhaps the children were products of “birth tourism”.


5 posted on 03/08/2014 6:13:24 PM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: Viennacon

True. But if I’m not mistaken, the ages of these children were 4 and 2. I cannot imagine children of those ages flying for a 6 hr flight with strangers.


6 posted on 03/08/2014 6:13:54 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Bitter clinger & creepy-ass cracker)
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To: wtd

Here you go wtd

http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/content/dam/mas/master/en/pdf/Malaysia%20Airlines%20Flight%20MH%20370%20Passenger%20Manifest.pdf


7 posted on 03/08/2014 6:14:02 PM PST by Kevin in California
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To: surroundedbyblue

yeah... that is weird. Perhaps they were adopted. But then the names would have been changed. That is strange. Good find.


8 posted on 03/08/2014 6:15:26 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Kevin in California

Mother was traveling under her new married or her previous maiden name? No reason to think a passenger wasn’t the the mother these days.


9 posted on 03/08/2014 6:18:25 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Ezekiel

Very possibly anchor babies of some kind.


10 posted on 03/08/2014 6:19:47 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: wtd
Link to manifest?

The manifest has been posted multiple times all day on FR.

11 posted on 03/08/2014 6:21:10 PM PST by PistolPaknMama
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To: jjotto

One of the children was listed with a last name of Meng-USA. There were other Meng’s on the plane but none were of USA residency.

The other child was Zhang-USA and there were also plenty of adult Zhang’s but again, none appear to be USA residents.

Strange to me.....


12 posted on 03/08/2014 6:21:38 PM PST by Kevin in California
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To: Kevin in California

Birth tourism? Popular among Asians.


13 posted on 03/08/2014 6:23:21 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Kevin in California

I agree it is strange but I’d make one point: It’s possible those passengers with the same last names were indeed the parents but weren’t US citizens even though their children are. For example, I am an American, and my daughter is an American. However, her father is Australian & lives in the US on a Visa. When we travel, his passport is Australian. If my daughter were to be on an international flight with him alone, their last names are the same, but she would be identified as an American and him as an Aussie.


14 posted on 03/08/2014 6:30:22 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Bitter clinger & creepy-ass cracker)
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To: Kevin in California

Well...close to 200 Chinese passengers flying in a plane piloted by Muslims just when other Muslims are attacking Chinese elsewhere (train stations, etc.).

What could possibly go wrong?


15 posted on 03/08/2014 6:35:13 PM PST by House Atreides
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To: All

How were those two people allowed to board with stolen/lost passports?

Shouldn’t those passports have been flagged?


16 posted on 03/08/2014 6:36:20 PM PST by Rodney Dangerfield ("It's not a good time for me right now" -- http://therealwendy.com/)
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To: Kevin in California

any names connected to Whitewater?


17 posted on 03/08/2014 6:37:53 PM PST by isom35
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To: Kevin in California

When I heard last night that there was 1 adult and two children on board..I assumed the American listed, Philip Wood(Who worked for IBM and lived in Texas), was the father of the two children, but I guess that was wrong, those two children are not his, so whose children are they?


18 posted on 03/08/2014 6:38:11 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Rodney Dangerfield

“How were those two people allowed to board with stolen/lost passports?”
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Don’t know, but I wonder if they were booked for first class seats—you know, up near the cockpit.


19 posted on 03/08/2014 6:38:42 PM PST by House Atreides
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To: Kevin in California
Thank you. Earlier, it was reported that the passenger manifest was leaked onto a Chinese website, with one name oddly blurred out...via. UK Telegraph Americans listed are: Philip wood age 51, a 4 y/o child named Nicole Meng (Chinese parents) a 2 y/o child named Yan Zhang (Chinese parents)
20 posted on 03/08/2014 6:40:54 PM PST by wtd
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To: Sarah Barracuda

“.....I assumed the American listed, Philip Wood(Who worked for IBM and lived in Texas), was the father of the two children, but I guess that was wrong, those two children are not his, so whose children are they?”
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Likely US born offspring of Chinese citizens. It’s all the rage among well-to-do Chinese—kind of an “anchor baby” insurance policy if the need to get out happens.


21 posted on 03/08/2014 6:42:00 PM PST by House Atreides
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To: House Atreides

I remember hearing a story a few months ago here in Los Angeles there was some house where pregnant Chinese women would come and give birth to their children so they would be automatic US Citizens, so this could be the case here


22 posted on 03/08/2014 6:44:05 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Rodney Dangerfield
Yes, the stolen passports should have triggered alarms per this report from Calcutta News...

Travel by passengers with stolen identities can be prevented

INTERPOL's Stolen and Lost Travel Documents (SLTD) database currently contains 40 million records from 167 countries. Though it was searched more than 800 million times in 2013, with the United Arab Emirates alone making one in every eight searches as the third largest user, Secretary General Ronald K. Noble said not enough countries are making use of this critical global policing tool.

The bad news is that, despite being incredibly cost effective and deployable to virtually anywhere in the world, only a handful of countries are systematically using SLTD to screen travellers," he said.

"The result is a major gap in our global security apparatus that is left vulnerable to exploitation by criminals and terrorists."


23 posted on 03/08/2014 6:46:43 PM PST by wtd
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To: Kevin in California

News comes out; two children on board.

Out of 200 people dead only two ‘children’? What are the odds and why the announcement. Among 200 ‘what difference’ would that make?

Just running to announce this is just creepy on the part of the press.


24 posted on 03/08/2014 6:46:59 PM PST by bakeneko
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Yep. Makes sense. Really many Chinese nationals who have moved to the US and had children here. Then they may well have taken them back to visit family there.


25 posted on 03/08/2014 6:51:52 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: isom35

“any names connected to Whitewater?”

Yes, or even more likely the travel office.


26 posted on 03/08/2014 6:51:56 PM PST by jocon307
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To: Kevin in California

Both of the US children have the same sir names as chinese nationals. Very likely they were born in the US to chinese parents. With so many chinese coming to the US for education and work, this is hardly surprising.


27 posted on 03/08/2014 6:55:57 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Kevin in California

Obviously the entire Meng family was on there, including the 2 year old and the Cheng family also, including the 4 year old, the kids are anchor babies and the rest are Chinese, no conspiracy


28 posted on 03/08/2014 6:58:44 PM PST by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Kevin in California

Maybe they were just adopted and making their first trip to what was to be their new home? Papers would say U.S.A. Just a thought.


29 posted on 03/08/2014 7:02:12 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: bakeneko
Out of 200 people dead only two ‘children’? What are the odds and why the announcement. Among 200 ‘what difference’ would that make?

From the manifest, there were five children aboard.

SiWan Hu, 3, CHN
Nicole Meng, 4, USA
Moheng Wang, 3, CHN
Yan Zhang, 2, USA
Yingzin Zhao, 3, CHN

30 posted on 03/08/2014 7:02:55 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: surroundedbyblue

I don’t know if things have changed, but it used to be that children had to be at least 13 to fly unaccompanied. My mother kept on asking me to send my daughter to Spain in June, with me coming to visit and pick her up in late July, but no airline would agree until she was 13.


31 posted on 03/08/2014 7:08:46 PM PST by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: Kevin in California

Not everyone has a spouse with the same citizenship that they have. International marriages do occur. and in those cases, a parent will sometimes take a child to the home country while the other parent stays home and works.

In one case there is a possible parent with an identical name to that of the 2 year old, with a 34 year age span. In the other case, it appears that it could be one parent and two possible grandparents with the child.


32 posted on 03/08/2014 7:11:16 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Kevin in California

They were born in the U.S. That makes them U.S. citizens


33 posted on 03/08/2014 7:16:25 PM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Kevin in California

Not sure what list you are looking at, but on this one:

http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/content/dam/mas/master/en/pdf/Malaysia%20Airlines%20Flight%20MH%20370%20Passenger%20Manifest.pdf

Both children are listed right next to people with the same last name.

104, 105 and 106 are all named “MENG”

159, 160, 161 and 162 are all named “WANG” so at least one or two of those are likely the parents.


34 posted on 03/08/2014 7:19:09 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: wtd

“...Earlier, it was reported that the passenger manifest was leaked onto a Chinese website, with one name oddly blurred out.....”
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wtd, I can’t get access into the linked site. What was the alphabetic list location of the blurred out name (i.e., what was the name preceding the blurred one and the name following the blurred one)


35 posted on 03/08/2014 7:19:50 PM PST by House Atreides
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To: 9YearLurker

Could be but either way, these poor children, and we still dont know what happened to them..my condolences to their families


36 posted on 03/08/2014 7:23:20 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Sarah Barracuda

“I remember hearing a story a few months ago here in Los Angeles there was some house where pregnant Chinese women would come and give birth to their children so they would be automatic US Citizens, so this could be the case here”

A similar house in Chino Hills (40 miles east of LA)was shut down about 2 years ago. Same issue Chinese flying in to give Birth.


37 posted on 03/08/2014 7:36:19 PM PST by DAC21
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To: House Atreides
The link was to http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/10685436/Malaysia-crash-victims-and-tears-of-their-families.html Which mentioned the blacked out name on the leaked manifest...unfortunately, without actually providing its source for that statement. Sorry, I have no further details on that. However, while seeking more info! I came across the following additional reports related to this missing flight...

Malaysia Airlines denied reports circulating on the internet the plane had landed safely in Nanjing China.

And

Pilot: I established contact with plane

'INTERFERENCE': Pilot in another plane was flying 30 minutes ahead of MH370 SEPANG: A BOEING 777 pilot, who was flying 30 minutes ahead of the missing Malaysia Airlines aircraft, said he established contact with MH370 minutes after he was asked to do so by Vietnamese air traffic control. The captain, who asked to not be named, said his plane, which was bound for Narita, Japan, was far into Vietnamese airspace when he was asked to relay, using his plane's emergency frequency, to MH370 for the latter to establish its position, as the authorities could not contact the aircraft. "We managed to establish contact with MH370 just after 1.30am and asked them if they have transferred into Vietnamese airspace. "The voice on the other side could have been either Captain Zaharie (Ahmad Shah, 53,) or Fariq (Abdul Hamid, 27), but I was sure it was the co-pilot. "There were a lot of interference... static... but I heard mumbling from the other end. "That was the last time we heard from them, as we lost the connection," he told the New Sunday Times. He said those on the same frequency at the time would have heard the exchange. This, he said, would include vessels on the waters below. He said he thought nothing of it, as the occurrence (of losing contact) was normal, until it was established that MH370 never landed. "If the plane was in trouble, we would have heard the pilot making the Mayday distress call. But I am sure that, like me, no one else up there heard it. "Following the silence, a repeat request was made by the Vietnamese authorities to try establishing contact with them."

38 posted on 03/08/2014 7:39:50 PM PST by wtd
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Indeed.


39 posted on 03/08/2014 7:47:20 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

I just hope that if these children have passed on that they died before they hit the water, to think that they were screaming as they were plummeting towards the ocean knowing they were going to die and nothing can be done to save them breaks my heart..these poor babies


40 posted on 03/08/2014 7:49:03 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Sarah Barracuda

They were probably less aware of the horror than the adults—and I feel as bad for the adults who died as for the children.


41 posted on 03/08/2014 7:51:40 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

I feel terrible for all of them, what a horrible way to go, its what I fear every time I get on board a plane..let’s just say Im not the best flyer in the world, Im always a nervous wreck, hearing stories like this doesn’t calm my nerves


42 posted on 03/08/2014 7:53:06 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Kevin in California
From the names that were listed, I didn't see anything there that indicated their parents were passengers.

For every kid, there was at least one adult with the same last name. Couldn't those have been parents?

43 posted on 03/08/2014 8:16:54 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Kevin in California

Dad was white , mom Chinese.


44 posted on 03/08/2014 8:35:35 PM PST by sunrise_sunset
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To: sunrise_sunset

I heard on the news the two “American children” had Chinese parents, and were just born in the U.S. There was only one American man on board who was an overseas worker for IBM. All these early reports are bound to be jumbled though.


45 posted on 03/08/2014 8:48:25 PM PST by kiltie65
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To: surroundedbyblue

Stewards/Stewardesses are assigned to children traveling alone either due to divorce or death, and are met by airline personnel if requested at the other end with the parents for security reasons.


46 posted on 03/08/2014 9:07:58 PM PST by Kackikat
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To: kiltie65

Many early reports are jumbled, but that makes perfect sense.


47 posted on 03/08/2014 9:41:57 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: bakeneko

There were 7 on board.

seat 45, (age 3, with father)
seat 104, (age 4, US Citizen with family members)
seat 162, (age 2 with mother)
seat 163,164 (age 14 and age 17 siblings, with father)
seat 213 (age 2, US Citizen with family members)
seat 219 (age 3 with family members)


48 posted on 04/12/2014 6:33:29 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: wtd

There was a Chinese-? who lived in New Jersey. I remember the media calling her American but I think she moved to the US in the last 4 or so years.


49 posted on 04/14/2014 7:28:41 AM PDT by Jaded (Really? Seriously?)
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