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‘Stand your ground’ laws must be clarified
Milwaukee J-S ^ | 9 mar 2014 | James Causey

Posted on 03/09/2014 6:20:29 AM PDT by rellimpank

The mother of Trayvon Martin is on a mission. Her goal is to change the current "stand your ground" laws because these laws may make it more palatable for shooters to kill the person they are "scared of" rather than fire a warning shot.

Sybrina Fulton, 48, rarely grants interviews, but she told me last week that under current "stand your ground" laws, accountability is lost. Several cases show that if you kill the person because you claim you feared for your life, then you have a good chance to walk. But if you fire a warning shot to protect yourself, you could face up to 60 years in prison.

That's absurd; we need some common sense here.

Fulton said since her son was killed, she doesn't sleep much and her life has been flipped upside down. Before Feb. 26, 2012, Fulton said, she was just a "regular mom" who worked for the Miami Dade Housing Agency by developing educational programs for people living in Section 8 housing.

"My life was regular. I lived in a regular house, drove a regular car and my life was my kids. We took one vacation a year and worked hard," she said. "But after my son was killed, my family was thrust into the national spotlight."

Martin, 17, was walking to his father's home in Sanford, Fla., when he was approached, followed and later killed by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman. Zimmerman thought Martin "looked suspicious."

(Excerpt) Read more at jsonline.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: banglist; rkba
--this propaganda piece is as full of misinformation and outright lies as any I have recently seen--the only positive thing about it is that the comments afterward take it to pieces---
1 posted on 03/09/2014 6:20:30 AM PDT by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank

The title and first sentence do not work. The trayvon martin case was not about stand your ground. It was about shooting someone on top of you beating your face in.


2 posted on 03/09/2014 6:23:39 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: rellimpank

“.......fire a warning shot”.

Sounds like she swallowed Biden’s idea hook, line and sinker.


3 posted on 03/09/2014 6:24:23 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: Progov

““.......fire a warning shot”.”

If I recall they just changed the warning shot law in Florida. Although you could defend yourself using the stand your ground law by shooting the perp dead, you could not fire a warning shot. If you did, they could (and frequently did) prosecute you for it. The change clarified this as okay.


4 posted on 03/09/2014 6:28:29 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: rellimpank

She didn’t mention the “normal” life of having to send your kid halfway across the state to live with his father because she couldn’t handle the monster she created.

His liver was in an advanced state of deterioration because he was doing “lean” or “purple drank” which affects the body the same as PCP.

When PCP was the “rage” years ago, we who remember those days also remember the super human violent tendencies of those who were high on it as well.

That is the reality she was living but has now been co-opted by the race pimps as just another useful idiot.


5 posted on 03/09/2014 6:29:51 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: rellimpank

GZ shot Saint Trayvon of Purple Drank in self defense as the drugged-out thug was on top of him & beating out his brains. Hey momma, stand yo’ ground ain’t got nuttin’ to do wit yo’ boy bein’ daid.


6 posted on 03/09/2014 6:30:54 AM PDT by twister881
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To: Gen.Blather

Great. So now you can fire a warning shot, the bullet goes half a mile and kills some innocent person.


7 posted on 03/09/2014 6:33:20 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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“” rarely grants interviews, “”

O M G


8 posted on 03/09/2014 6:33:34 AM PDT by CMailBag
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To: DoughtyOne

“So now you can fire a warning shot, the bullet goes half a mile and kills some innocent person.”

In the cases I’m familiar with, they were fired into the ground. I carry a .380 with Glaser ammo for that very reason. The bullet will not penetrate walls and won’t ricochet.

I retired my larger caliber guns for that reason.


9 posted on 03/09/2014 6:36:44 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: rellimpank
"But after my son was killed, my family was thrust into the national spotlight."

But .... sure seems to me like she's doing everything she can to stay in that damn spotlight - CNN guest (multiple times), speaking at rallies, interviews, man for she's everywhere now!

Gotta act while people still remember Skittles, I guess ...


10 posted on 03/09/2014 6:37:20 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: Progov

That warning shot case was also right here in Jacksonville. Wanna guess who went after this woman with the full weight of the law and put her in jail for 60 years?

You got it, none other than Angela Corey.

As stated in the first response to you, the woman convicted by Corey is getting a new trial and the Florida legislature has worked on reversing the letter of the law that Corey used to convict her.


11 posted on 03/09/2014 6:37:22 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: afraidfortherepublic

—ping—


12 posted on 03/09/2014 6:37:46 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: rellimpank

Over a 1/3 of sucessful stand your ground cases in Florida involve black folks. You eliminate stand your ground and those folks would be incarcerated. they make up what? 11% of the population.
Lets change laws without looking at rationale...cripes we are so doomed.
Freegards
LEX


13 posted on 03/09/2014 6:41:13 AM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: rellimpank

>>she was just a “regular mom” who worked for the Miami Dade Housing Agency by developing educational programs for people living in Section 8 housing.

We are living a Kafkaesque existence when a woman who was clearly unable to properly raise her own son is entrusted with educating others in how to live their lives.

Thank you, Big Government, for all you do.


14 posted on 03/09/2014 6:41:47 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: rellimpank

I bet the comments are gone within 24 hours.


15 posted on 03/09/2014 6:42:50 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: rellimpank

Sybrina should have taught her son not to pound folks’ heads on the pavement. When her son pounded a head on the pavement, he got shot. Justice, right there.


16 posted on 03/09/2014 6:45:55 AM PDT by abclily
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To: Gen.Blather

Correct. Prior the SYG though you had to retreat as far as you possibly could before you could defend yourself. Out the back window of the house, drive to the next county, get on a plane, leave the state. Who decides if you’re in fear for your life? You do. These asshats act like folks WANT to go out and pop some miscreants. I’d be willing to say that for the most part, nobody WANTS to be put in this position if at all possible. Just more lack of understanding of the word ‘responsibility”. Plus I’m sure she’s(tres-gone’s mom) getting a stipend from the MAIGgots or moms lookin’ for a little “action” or some other “gun safety advocate group”(i.e. gun control nazis). Either way it’s a payday for someone who was useless as far as parenting goes.
P.S. Ever see cops fire “warning shots”? Only in the movies because they know that doesn’t work.


17 posted on 03/09/2014 6:47:54 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Redneck. Race: Daytona 500)
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To: rellimpank

She is right. We do need change. While I don’t believe in warning shots, nobody should get 60 years for doing so.


18 posted on 03/09/2014 6:48:46 AM PDT by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: rellimpank

Agreed on the propaganda.

And, BTW, ‘warning shots’ should ALWAYS be center mass.

Just sayin’


19 posted on 03/09/2014 6:51:14 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2016; I pray we make it that long.)
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To: rellimpank

The first thing that needs to be clarified is which party ‘stood their ground’.
Martin or Zimmerman.
If the argument is Zimmerman ‘stood’ then Martin was the aggressor.
That would blow holes in the entire ‘poor little victim’ argument.


20 posted on 03/09/2014 6:53:05 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: rellimpank
A few observations:

The purpose of the article seems to be to sell $50 tickets to see this broad speak and racebait.

Correct, the comments completely destroy the entire contents of the article, and the race card they were written on.

A "right to fire warning shots" law can promoted completely independent of Stand Your Ground laws.

I cannot think of a situation where warning shots are completely safe for bystanders and would be a good idea.

21 posted on 03/09/2014 6:54:02 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: rellimpank

Yes, it is. After the mainstream media got ahold of this story, they made the kid look like a misguided choirboy (almost always pictured at age 10). I spoke to several police officers, including a Chicago gang-unit officer, and an FBI agent who all stated that the Florida neighborhood had had trouble with outsiders and the neighborhood watch was doing its part in trying to reduce the uptick in crime. According to these officers, George Zimmerman was in fear for his life by a teenager who may have been under the influence of a homemade intoxicant (ingredients had been acquired by Martin).

Unfortunately, I live in a “blue” state, Illinois, that believes in retreat, which Joe Biden doesn’t even seem to endorse, however wasteful (of ammo).


22 posted on 03/09/2014 7:06:14 AM PDT by 12Gauge687
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To: rellimpank

How about standing my ground, motherf’r?


23 posted on 03/09/2014 7:14:48 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (HELL, NO! BE UNGOVERNABLE!)
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To: rellimpank

The mother of Trayvon Martin is on a mission

Maybe if momma spent more time on a mission of raising Trayvon he would be now alive and doing well.


24 posted on 03/09/2014 7:17:21 AM PDT by bikerman (Obama! if his lips are moving he's lying.)
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To: rellimpank
I believe it should be clarified at least weekly as part of public service announcements.

Attention: This is a public service announcement.

We have Stand Your Ground Laws in this great State. That means that if a thug intimidates/molests/attacks a lawful citizen for no apparent justifiable reason, said citizen can shoot the perpetrator without being prosecuted.

Did you get that thugs? If you attack and harm others, or refuse to grant a buffer zone to those who try to keep from close proximity, due to your intimidating demeanor, you are likely to be shot and killed; and the person who shoots you will not be arrested.

End of public service message.

25 posted on 03/09/2014 7:29:50 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: rellimpank

vomit...


26 posted on 03/09/2014 7:41:12 AM PDT by GOPJ (“Don't be pushed by your problems. Be led by your dreams.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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To: GOPJ

Who is shooting them, while you are firing your warning shot. Do criminals need to fire warning shots too?


27 posted on 03/09/2014 8:01:04 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Take out the trash)
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To: rellimpank

Police are taught to never fire warning shots or to shoot to wound; they are taught that if life is in danger and shots must be fired to protect life then they must make the surest shot to stop the danger, namely a center-mass shot.

Why should any citizen who fears the loss of their life as a consequence of the violent act of another be required to follow a different standard than the police? Why is a policeman’s life more valuable than mine?


28 posted on 03/09/2014 8:02:26 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: rellimpank

After that trial in Jacksonville I’m not saying Stand Your Ground laws may have to be clarified. But as has been pointed out ad nauseum, Stand Your Ground was not claimed by the defense in the Martin case. That was a simple matter of self-defense.


29 posted on 03/09/2014 8:05:37 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg
But as has been pointed out ad nauseum, Stand Your Ground was not claimed by the defense in the Martin case. That was a simple matter of self-defense.

You're right - it WAS simple self defense. But liberals know their base is stupid so they lie to them. They tell them this sob story is about 'stand your ground' when it's not... one more race card lie.

Then the 'press' being the lapdog of liberals goes along with the lie. Plenty of shame to go around - but they're past the point of being able to see or feel it.

30 posted on 03/09/2014 8:23:11 AM PDT by GOPJ (“Don't be pushed by your problems. Be led by your dreams.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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To: mazda77
As stated in the first response to you, the woman convicted by Corey is getting a new trial and the Florida legislature has worked on reversing the letter of the law that Corey used to convict her.

She should have been convicted and the only reason her case is going back to trail is because she's Black.

She left the house and away from her 'abusive' husband to the garage where she got a gun. Then went back into the house to confront her husband and fired at him. The so-called 'warning shot' is BS. She just plain missed him and the kids.

31 posted on 03/09/2014 8:29:00 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Play the 'Knockout Game' with someone owning a 9mm and you get what you deserve)
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To: rellimpank

Sybrina is making big bucks as an agitator.


32 posted on 03/09/2014 8:48:34 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Gen.Blather

I don’t follow the gun market all that closely, to it’s easy for things to slip by me.

I believe this is the first I’ve heard of Glaser ammo. I checked it out online. Looks like a miniature shotgun shell for the most part.

Tell me, does it have stopping power? If you shoot someone with it, are they going to continue to come at you?

I like the idea of it. I’m must not familiar with it’s actual characteristics.


33 posted on 03/09/2014 9:40:10 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: DoughtyOne

“Tell me, does it have stopping power? “

I did a quick look for the article I read on this. It said the GLaser round had the same lethality rating as a .45ACP. The .380 travels at 1200 fps and weights (If I recall) 93 grains. The .45 travels at 800fps. The deformation characteristics of the faster round meant that it hit with the same force as the .45. It stops at the target. It does not, however, penetrate deeply. But being hit by that much energy should stop a large man instantly. That’s my theory and that’s what I carry in the gun. (The seventh round is a full metal jacket which had a lethality of only 12 vs 45 (on the scale, not the caliber 45.)

Here’s a starter on ammo.

http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm#.38spl/.357mag


34 posted on 03/09/2014 9:56:06 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Gen.Blather

Thanks. I appreciate the response.


35 posted on 03/09/2014 10:00:22 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: VeniVidiVici; All

Whatever you say. I had no idea you were right there to know ALL the facts. Now we ALL know better because you said so.


36 posted on 03/09/2014 2:24:42 PM PDT by mazda77
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To: rellimpank
Any discussion of race and Zimmerman which doesn’t mention In 2010—Zimmerman Initiated A ‘Justice For Sherman Ware’ Campaign When NAACP Failed To Act is a whitewash of Fulton and Trayvon. As is any article about the case which insinuates no possible guilt to Trayvon relating to the fact that, aside from the fatal shot, Martin scarcely had a scratch on him but Zimmerman’s head was bloody - backing up eye witness testimony that Martin was in control of the struggle moments before the fatal shot was fired.
38 posted on 03/09/2014 4:17:45 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ("Liberalism” is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: mazda77

Nope. You just now know the facts as they are as opposed to what’s reported


39 posted on 03/09/2014 4:25:39 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Play the 'Knockout Game' with someone owning a 9mm and you get what you deserve)
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To: mazda77

Wait, what was Corey doing in JAX? I thought she was the lokel yokel down in Orlando area where GZ was tried. Does she tour the state, bringing her own special brand of prosecutorial malpractice to underprivileged defendants everywhere?


40 posted on 03/09/2014 5:04:28 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: catnipman

“Police are taught to never fire warning shots or to shoot to wound; they are taught that if life is in danger and shots must be fired to protect life then they must make the surest shot to stop the danger, namely a center-mass shot.”


Cops shoot to kill because they lack the skills to incapacitate a perp in any other way.


41 posted on 03/09/2014 7:16:21 PM PDT by ourworldawry
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To: VeniVidiVici

You don’t know them, admittedly and then you rely on what is reported? Are you serious? How about doing a little journalism on your own, independently, and figure out the missing little details “they” forgot to report to you.

Then get back to us.


42 posted on 03/10/2014 3:33:21 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: Still Thinking

Corey’s office is here in JAX. She was hand picked by Atty Gen Bondi to refer to Gov. Scott to bring in an outside prosecutor in an attempt to placate the “masses” who were demonstrating because the race pimps told them to. Little did they know, or maybe they did in some degree, what a loose cannon she is.


43 posted on 03/10/2014 3:37:06 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: umgud
She is right. We do need change. While I don’t believe in warning shots, nobody should get 60 years for doing so.

I'm familiar with that case. I don't think the jury thought Marissa Alexander fired a warning shot into the wall near her husband's head. I think they decided she meant to hit him and missed, and then claimed it was a warning shot.

44 posted on 03/10/2014 3:45:13 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Navy Patriot
The purpose of the article seems to be to sell $50 tickets to see this broad speak and racebait.

I foresee her trying to milk this for $$$ for as long as she can. Beats working. Even in her old government job.

45 posted on 03/10/2014 4:50:52 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: mazda77
If you truly want to learn instead of flapping your jaws, follow the links - Alexander Shot to Kill
46 posted on 03/10/2014 2:36:26 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Play the 'Knockout Game' with someone owning a 9mm and you get what you deserve)
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