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Vietnam Searchers Report Spotting Plane Debris
The Wall Street Journal ^ | 9 Mar 2014 | JASON NG, GAURAV RAGHUVANSHI and JAKE MAXWELL WATTS

Posted on 03/09/2014 7:36:30 AM PDT by mandaladon

KUALA LUMPUR—A Vietnamese search aircraft located fragments Sunday floating in waters off southern Vietnam that are suspected of coming from a Malaysia Airlines 3786.KU 0.00% jetliner that went missing a day earlier with 239 people on board.

The fragments were believed to be a composite inner door and a piece of the tail, Vietnam's ministry of information and communication said in a posting on its website. They were located about 50 miles south-southwest of Tho Chu island.

Officials released photograph of one fragment floating in the water. Malaysia Airlines said it had received no confirmation regarding the suspected debris. Flight MH370 went missing early Saturday on a flight from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, to Beijing and ships and planes scouring the waters had been unable to find it. Vietnam said earlier in the day that a Singaporean aircraft had found a yellow floating object south-southwest of Thu Chu and dispatched ships toward the area. Singapore has declined to comment.

The Vietnamese statement said that the aircraft could not land near the objects to investigate them further because of darkening conditions but would continue the identification process Monday morning.

The disappearance of the flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing triggered a search and rescue operation across portions of the Gulf of Thailand and South China Sea, involving the armed forces of several nations, including the United States, Malaysia, Vietnam and China.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 777; china; iran; malaysia; mh370; notamissleahole; oilrig; planecrash; vietnam; wackomisslebs; waronterror
The investigation into the fate of the plane has been complicated further by revelations that two passengers appeared to have boarded the plane with stolen passports, prompting airline executives and aviation officials to say that foul play can't be ruled out.............I still think there's a good chance that foul play is involoved.
1 posted on 03/09/2014 7:36:30 AM PDT by mandaladon
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To: mandaladon
A European security official said it wasn't uncommon for passengers to board flights using stolen passports...................WTF!
2 posted on 03/09/2014 7:38:22 AM PDT by mandaladon (If you're going through hell, keep going. ~Winston Churchill)
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To: mandaladon

BUMP


3 posted on 03/09/2014 7:39:31 AM PDT by fiftymegaton (God Bless and Protect America)
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To: mandaladon
On Sunday afternoon, a statement issued in the name of a previously unknown group claimed that the disappearance of the plane was a political act aimed at the Chinese and Malaysian governments and referred to last week's attack in a Chinese train station by alleged Uighur separatists....................More interesting info
4 posted on 03/09/2014 7:40:33 AM PDT by mandaladon (If you're going through hell, keep going. ~Winston Churchill)
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To: mandaladon

UPDATE — 9:20 a.m.: The strange object found floating is not debris from the missing Malaysia Airlines jet, a U.S. official said, according to CNN.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/03/09/wsj-suspicious-floating-object-spotted-off-vietnams-tho-chu-island/


5 posted on 03/09/2014 7:41:12 AM PDT by Principled
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To: mandaladon

“A European security official said it wasn’t uncommon for passengers to board flights using stolen passports...................WTF! “

I guess we’ve been doing it wrong all of these years. I guess I need to steal my next passport since it’s no apparent big deal.


6 posted on 03/09/2014 7:41:25 AM PDT by FAA
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To: mandaladon

I’m still betting Chinese air-defense missile.


7 posted on 03/09/2014 7:42:50 AM PDT by cincinnati65
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To: mandaladon

This is shocking!


8 posted on 03/09/2014 7:44:30 AM PDT by mandaladon (If you're going through hell, keep going. ~Winston Churchill)
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To: Principled

I think there is new debris that was found very recently including what looks like a door and reportedly part of the planes tail. And the denial by the US official was pertaining to a different find much earlier.


9 posted on 03/09/2014 7:45:24 AM PDT by fiftymegaton (God Bless and Protect America)
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To: Principled

The strange yellow object was Kerry trying to find a river in Cambodia, again?


10 posted on 03/09/2014 8:11:35 AM PDT by bgill
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To: cincinnati65

That or those 4 stolen passports.


11 posted on 03/09/2014 8:13:19 AM PDT by bgill
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To: bgill

He fought in Viet Nam you know


12 posted on 03/09/2014 8:14:03 AM PDT by Principled
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To: Revolting cat!
Call Jane Fonda in for questioning.


13 posted on 03/09/2014 8:17:48 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The Texas judge's decision was to pave the way for same sex divorce for two Massachusetts women.)
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To: mandaladon

I’m going with the EgyptAir flight 990 theory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_990


14 posted on 03/09/2014 8:42:46 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: mandaladon

My reading of google maps puts Tho Chu Vietnam about a hour out of Kuala Lumpur.


15 posted on 03/09/2014 8:53:04 AM PDT by depressed in 06 (America conceived in liberty, dies in slavery.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Kinda surprised no group came forwards to take responsibility for that, perhpas he was a lone wolf and crashed it to kill military staff?


16 posted on 03/09/2014 9:11:48 AM PDT by Mmogamer (I refudiate the lamestream media, leftists and their prevaricutions.)
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To: mandaladon
My guess is that the stolen passports attempted to hijack the plane and then there was a fight in the cockpit, like flight 93.
Straight into the ocean like a dart.

That would explain both the lack of radio contact and the lack of debris field.

17 posted on 03/09/2014 9:26:45 AM PDT by red-dawg (<<< click for info on my book.)
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To: mandaladon

Anybody envision a scenario that starts off with a hi-jacking and ending up crashing the plane while struggling for control of the cockpit or hi-jacked and then shot down by somebodies military? Could it have gotten droned?


18 posted on 03/09/2014 9:32:48 AM PDT by Usagi_yo (Standardization is an Evolutionary dead end.)
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To: red-dawg
My guess is that the stolen passports attempted to hijack the plane and then there was a fight in the cockpit, like flight 93.

Would a black box show whether this happened?

19 posted on 03/09/2014 9:43:50 AM PDT by alrea
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To: Mmogamer
via WSJ Quote:
"On Sunday afternoon, a statement issued in the name of a previously unknown group claimed that the disappearance of the plane was a political act aimed at the Chinese and Malaysian governments and referred to last week's attack in a Chinese train station by alleged Uighur separatists. It stopped short of a claim of responsibility. Malaysian officials said that they were unaware of any claim of responsibility but would investigate all possibilities.

20 posted on 03/09/2014 9:55:53 AM PDT by wtd
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To: alrea
The "black box" consists of a flight data recorder and a cockpit voice recorder.

The FDR records specific aircraft performance parameters such as altitude, speed and a host of other functions, so if there was a sudden nosedive it would show it.

The CVR records sounds in the cockpit and radio transmissions.

So, theoretically, yes.

21 posted on 03/09/2014 10:02:13 AM PDT by red-dawg (<<< click for info on my book.)
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To: Mmogamer

What military staff was on board?


22 posted on 03/09/2014 10:56:54 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: mandaladon

> A European security official said it wasn’t uncommon for passengers to board flights using stolen passports...................WTF!

Think that’s bad, illegal aliens can vote another illegal immigrant in as president in our country wirh NO ID. In fact, they will pay you to board a bus and do it!


23 posted on 03/09/2014 12:32:15 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: jsanders2001

> A European security official said it wasn’t uncommon for passengers to board flights using stolen passports...................WTF!

Think that’s bad, illegal aliens can vote another illegal immigrant in as president in our country wirh NO ID. In fact, they will pay you to board a bus to do it!


24 posted on 03/09/2014 12:33:17 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: red-dawg

I think there’d still be evidence shown to traffic controllers of the aircraft’s descent. Apparently, it just disappeared at 35,000 ft. altitude. My current theory is what most suspect; A huge explosion at altitude.


25 posted on 03/09/2014 12:41:10 PM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: mandaladon
I have a Flickr set on this:

Jeff Head's Flickr Photo stream set on MH370

Here's the pic that has been released of potential debris seen by the Vietnamese aircraft:


26 posted on 03/09/2014 1:01:10 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: cincinnati65
I’m still betting Chinese air-defense missile.

I'll take that bet. It's around 800 miles from Chinese territory to the crash site.

27 posted on 03/09/2014 2:20:56 PM PDT by xone
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To: Usagi_yo
Could it have gotten droned?

As it is headed down at 500+ Kts? Just happened to have a drone with Mavericks within 20 miles or so? What military shot it down? A drone would have to be us. This is as bad as the Nork missile from 2600 miles or a Chink SA missile from 800.

28 posted on 03/09/2014 2:26:25 PM PDT by xone
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To: xone

A 777 is a monster. It probably can still fly after getting a missile strike. The crew would have gotten off at least a Mayday call.


29 posted on 03/09/2014 7:51:43 PM PDT by USAF80
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To: cincinnati65
I’m still betting Chinese air-defense missile.

What would be the motive? They were no where near China.

It would make more sense to inquire as to the whereabouts of the USS Vincennes.

30 posted on 03/09/2014 8:00:52 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: CivilWarBrewing

Except nothing supports that. No satellites picked up a big boom and the plane has something that sends a signal saying it made an impact. The signals didn’t happen.


31 posted on 03/09/2014 10:40:48 PM PDT by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: USAF80
It probably can still fly after getting a missile strike.

I'm guessing you missed the part of it being 800 miles. Please tell me any SA missile with an 800 mile range. I'll buy anyone having one. Where is the detection? Is the radar on Mt Everest? The best SA missile the chinks have a 130# + or - warhead which would obliterate an 500 kt target, unfortunately its range in less than 65 miles. In range there wouldn't be nothing from the target especially considering the aerodynamic forces acting upon a body blasted with 130# of HE.

32 posted on 03/09/2014 10:44:22 PM PDT by xone
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To: MarMema

Hijackers can disable some of these systems but it’s more likely this aircraft was blown to bits.


33 posted on 03/10/2014 9:17:21 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: cynwoody
North Korea came very close to downing a commercial airliner JUST LAST TUESDAY:

Chinese passenger jet carrying 220 people in near miss with North Korean missile

North Korea is on the list of suspects, here.

34 posted on 03/10/2014 9:21:33 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: CivilWarBrewing
North Korea is on the list of suspects, here.

The Nork Navy's most notable achievement was sinking the USS Baltimore in 1950, which never happened, since the Baltimore was never deployed to Korea.

But I'm sure the they've got the Gulf of Thailand well covered with missile boats capable of bagging airliners. And no doubt wasting 150 Chinese citizens would fit right in with their foreign policy goals.

35 posted on 03/10/2014 10:48:11 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: mandaladon
The plane was traveling along a routinely used, well established air route, therefore China would have no reason to consider the plane a threat and shoot it down. China would have absolutely nothing to gain by intentionally downing the plane. The North Koreans are crazy enough to do it, but I can't see them involved since they don't have the capability to attack a plane thousands of miles away from their own airspace. I guessing it was either a bomb, or one of the crew intentionally took the plane down into the sea.
36 posted on 03/10/2014 11:04:30 AM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: xone

I think it’s some type of mechanical failure myself.

Even a 130lb warhead will not obliterate something as large as a 777. Most air defense warheads are designed to destroy high speed maneuvering targets so the warheads use some type of shrapnel or expanding wire devices. The odds of hitting a small target is very slim. They rely on proximity fuzing instead of direct hits.


37 posted on 03/10/2014 4:58:08 PM PDT by USAF80
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To: USAF80

That warhead has both a proximity and contact fuse, the destruction of the jet would come as the structural failure was acted upon by the aerodynamic force of the 500kts. Structural failure at altitude would account for the no call on guard, the disappearance on the radar, which I think is overblown and the fact they haven’t located debris from the plane yet. Add that it went down in a sewer full of flotsam and jetsam anyway, I’m not surprised they haven’t found jack yet.

One ‘flight depiction’ has it ‘disappearing’ near Hainan Island instead of SW of Viet Nam. In which case, they are 800 miles off.


38 posted on 03/10/2014 5:10:54 PM PDT by xone
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To: xone

Black boxes should be pinging away though.


39 posted on 03/10/2014 5:15:48 PM PDT by USAF80
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To: mandaladon
"A Vietnamese search aircraft located fragments Sunday floating in waters off southern Vietnam that are suspected of coming from a Malaysia Airlines jetliner that went missing a day earlier with 239 people on board. "

There's so much shot-down sh!t around Vietnam, how can they tell?


40 posted on 03/10/2014 5:59:51 PM PDT by PLMerite
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To: USAF80

Big water though.


41 posted on 03/10/2014 8:05:04 PM PDT by xone
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