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Clashes in Ukraine as Putin stays defiant [Obama Invites Ukraine Rebel To White House]
afp/yahoo ^ | 3/9/14 | Sim Sim Wissgott, with Michael Mainville

Posted on 03/09/2014 6:04:14 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper

Pro-Russian activists with clubs and whips clashed with pro-Kiev supporters Sunday as tens of thousands rallied across Ukraine in rival protests...

Kiev got crucial backing as US President Barack Obama invited interim Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk to the White House on Wednesday to show support.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: amateurism; obamafail; realpolitik
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the DULY ELECTED (though pro-Russian) President of the Ukraine FORCED OUT OF OFFICE illegally, and this Yatsenyuk fellow now acting as the head of state?

Wouldn't the Yatsenyuk guy be the one who is taking power seized in a coup of a legitimate government???

Looks to me like the golfing man-child is inviting in someone who took part in an activity that saw the ousting of an elected official--by force.

What am I missing here?

1 posted on 03/09/2014 6:04:14 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

What do you base that he was ousted illegally on?


2 posted on 03/09/2014 6:08:43 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

A lot.


3 posted on 03/09/2014 6:09:05 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: SoFloFreeper; Army Air Corps
Russia is a Riddle wrapped in an Enigma .

HOWEVER, let us not forget that the stamp act was a complete legal act of law.

And The Founders were committing High Treason against the British Crown.

An NO I am not comparing the Founders to the Protesters in Ukraine or any sort of moral equivalency between the two.

It just that the "Law" in situations like this is whatever the winning side says it is.

4 posted on 03/09/2014 6:09:48 PM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.- Sarah Palin)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Yes, you are correct.


5 posted on 03/09/2014 6:10:45 PM PDT by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: SoFloFreeper

What’s going to happen is that Obama is going to tell the current president of Ukraine that he has to cede the Crimea and various southern and eastern oblasts in exchange for NATO and EU membership. If he says no, the US will slowly back away from supporting the current government.

Obama REALLY wants this to go away, his body language and actions over the past two weeks indicate this.


6 posted on 03/09/2014 6:11:19 PM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

It’s politics. Our Political Establishment does not care about electoral results. Remember that. It’s important. The people whose “turn it is” are supposed to be in charge, and we do everything we can to put them in charge. In Ukraine. And at home. It doesn’t always work out, but it’s how the Bosses roll.


7 posted on 03/09/2014 6:11:38 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: SoFloFreeper

Fans the Ukrainian golfing while his country is at war? Nice touch! Will the entertainment include that famous Chicago bath house too? Let’s not be niggardly with the “ show of support!” (creepers!).


8 posted on 03/09/2014 6:12:13 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (")
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To: SoFloFreeper

IIRC - I have to look it up - the president was removed from office legally, by votes of both parties in their legislature, but it was mostly for corruption.

The interim president, a dissident who had been jailed for some time, resigned almost immediately, and I’m not sure how the current president ended up in charge. He was supposed to be more moderate but immediately started calling for restrictions on the rights of Russian-speakers, etc., which is one of the things that led to the current situation


9 posted on 03/09/2014 6:17:46 PM PDT by livius
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To: SoFloFreeper
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the DULY ELECTED (though pro-Russian) President of the Ukraine FORCED OUT OF OFFICE illegally, and this Yatsenyuk fellow now acting as the head of state?

There's some truth to that, from what I understand. I believe the Ukrainian president is only permitted to be impeached after he's convicted of a crime, which wasn't the case here.

Having said that, I'd suggest it doesn't really matter at all. The idea that the U.S. is going to sit here and work through the minutiae of a foreign legal/political process is pretty silly.

10 posted on 03/09/2014 6:35:42 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: SoFloFreeper

Ah yes, the pro-putin, pro-russian crowd really hates it when their BS gets called and you get your ass handed to you by a bunch of students.

Guess what, the people spoke and ousted your friend who had the interests of Russia instead of Ukraine in his evil little heart.

Think you should get over it, and accept that Ukraine is Ukrainian, not Russian.


11 posted on 03/09/2014 6:43:19 PM PDT by KOZ.
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To: SoFloFreeper

The Russians are preparing to open the curtain on Act II.


12 posted on 03/09/2014 6:49:02 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: KOZ.

watch as things spin out of control in Ukraine and China strats to “act up” in the South China Seas. In the end Rusia will become a bit bigger—thats all. A peace conference is needed—Russia will forgive Ukrainian debt—Pay them a bit for the territory (we paid 15 Million to the Republic of Mexico for the southwest). Keiv will calm down and things will be peaceful—Until the Next Time.


13 posted on 03/09/2014 6:51:21 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Thunder90
What’s going to happen is that Obama is going to tell the current president of Ukraine that he has to cede the Crimea and various southern and eastern oblasts in exchange for NATO and EU membership.

Obama's Chamberlain moment. Just being flexible. I don't think NATO is on the table.

14 posted on 03/09/2014 6:53:50 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: SoFloFreeper
"Someone correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the DULY ELECTED (though pro-Russian) President of the Ukraine FORCED OUT OF OFFICE illegally, and this Yatsenyuk fellow now acting as the head of state? "

Why did you add your opinion to the title when you are not sure who Prime Minister Yatsenyuk is? Why are you smearing him?

BTW, Oleksandr Turchynov is the acting president after the Parliament voted to oust President Yanukovych.

Next, if you had read the article you would have come accross this nugget:

"In Kiev, Putin's top foe Mikhail Khodorkovsky, a former Russian oligarch who spent a decade in Russian prisons, addressed a crowd of thousands on Independence Square, the epicentre of the protests.
"They told me what the authorities did here. They did this with the agreement of the Russian leadership," an emotional Khodorkovsky said in reference to the 100 people killed towards the end of three months of protests against ousted president Viktor Yanukovych."

When obama orders to have civilians killed, I know that you will side with him.

15 posted on 03/09/2014 6:59:27 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Great point, in discussions with friends, I’ve said that China will start to act up. It will turn out to be a huge cluster for POTUS.


16 posted on 03/09/2014 7:10:51 PM PDT by KOZ.
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To: SoFloFreeper

He must be going to have another beer summit in the Rose Garden.


17 posted on 03/09/2014 8:25:50 PM PDT by billhilly (Its OK, the left hated Bush.)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Russia has probably taken over Crimea, where it has a naval base and 60% of the population, after it was emboldened by our Syria - Russia solution not too long ago.


18 posted on 03/09/2014 8:54:24 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: SoFloFreeper

Maybe Putin should invite targets of IRS abuses, Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz to Russia for talks...that would be very interesting!


19 posted on 03/10/2014 12:26:10 AM PDT by RginTN
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To: 1_Rain_Drop; KOZ.

I differentiated the title from my addition by the addition of brackets; a simple and common practice on FR.

Look, I am merely asking questions here. I have my own opinion, true, but am willing to hear and have my mind changed by reasonable evidence.

One thing I *do* know is that for the Clown to invite this Yatsenyuk guy to the White House is a farce. The Clown is no friend of anyone in that region: Yatsenyuk, Putin, or the EU.

So this little charade going on in D.C. that the Clown is managing a crisis is laughable, and Yatsenyuk is a sucker if he believes the Clown is there to help Ukraine.

I am not an expert on Ukraine law—and I doubt anyone else on FR is, too.


20 posted on 03/10/2014 2:23:01 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

There’s no reason to call someone a rebel just because they are to have a meeting with bozo.

The meeting has to be some sort of procedure. USA DID promise to protect Ukraine when Nunn, Lugar, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II and Obama disarmed them. It is not that PM Yatsenyuk is begging for help, it’s that US has to make good on a promise. If Ukraine wasn’t disarmed, I’m sure they could have protected themselves. US made Ukraine dependent on them.

At least allow PM Yatsenyuk have his meeting with bozo and after we learn the details, then judge him if he’s a rebel or not.

US really screwed up with Ukraine.


21 posted on 03/10/2014 2:39:22 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: SoFloFreeper

You are not merely asking questions. You continue to post BS about Ukraine, and you are annoyingly pro-putin.

Why prop up a tyrant?


23 posted on 03/11/2014 4:12:38 AM PDT by KOZ.
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