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Blocked by sunken Russian ships, Ukraine's navy stays defiant
Yahoo! News ^ | 3/9/2014 | Katherine Haddon

Posted on 03/09/2014 6:15:44 PM PDT by Former Fetus

Russia has deliberately sunk three of its own ships to block Ukrainian navy vessels entering a lake off the Black Sea, officers say, highlighting Moscow's determination to wear down the morale of Kiev's forces in Crimea.

The Ochakov -- a Soviet-era warship decommissioned in 2011 and set to be sold for scrap -- was towed to the entrance to Lake Donuzlav on Crimea's western coast from the Russian base at Sevastopol on Thursday and blown up.

It capsized and, along with two smaller Russian vessels, is now blocking the narrow gap between two spits of land, its hull beaten by rough Black Sea waves.

Ukraine's navy has limited resources and suffered a major blow last week when its chief Denis Berezovsky switched allegiance to the pro-Russian Crimean authorities and a new chief was appointed.

But officers at a base near where the Russians sank the ship have no doubt what the Russians were trying to do and insist they will not be shaken by the tactics.

"It is blocked so we cannot get out," said Captain Viktor Shmyganovsky, second-in-command at the base in Novoozerne, one of the four biggest in Crimea.

"If it wasn't blocked, we could have taken our ships to Odessa and it would stop them being seized by Russian forces.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: crimea; crimeacrisis; poland; russia; shipssunk; ukraine; ukrainecrisis
Go to Google Maps and search for Lake Donuzlav, Ukraine, to better understand the story. I have not been able to post the map using a link to Google Maps.
1 posted on 03/09/2014 6:15:44 PM PDT by Former Fetus
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To: Former Fetus

Dredge a path around.


2 posted on 03/09/2014 6:19:55 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

Sink a cargo ship in the Bosporus. Two can play let’s bottle up the fleet.


3 posted on 03/09/2014 6:21:17 PM PDT by null and void ( Obama is Law-Less because Republican "leaders" are BALL-LESS!!)
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To: null and void

Dam the Bosporus and pump out the Black Sea.


4 posted on 03/09/2014 6:23:07 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

What? Again???


5 posted on 03/09/2014 6:23:48 PM PDT by null and void ( Obama is Law-Less because Republican "leaders" are BALL-LESS!!)
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To: Paladin2

Looks like these Ukrainian ships have become barganing chips in the post Criema Take over—that or more ships for the Russian Navy.


6 posted on 03/09/2014 6:42:14 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: null and void

That would be a declaration of war against Turkey.


7 posted on 03/09/2014 6:46:58 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Former Fetus; All
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8 posted on 03/09/2014 6:56:30 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: 1rudeboy

Blame the Russians...

BTW, the TSA just bought 1,980 sticks of dynamite...


9 posted on 03/09/2014 7:04:52 PM PDT by null and void ( Obama is Law-Less because Republican "leaders" are BALL-LESS!!)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
The spits of land separating Donuzlav Lake from the Black Sea is quite narrow. Your picture shows several places that can be dug-out/dredged on the west side of the entrance. Those spits of land are not much wider than the two lane road built on top of them.
10 posted on 03/09/2014 7:21:46 PM PDT by sefarkas (Why vote Democrat Lite?)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

“that or more ships for the Russian Navy.”

Why would they want them?
They only have ONE Krivak-class frigate (Hetman Sahaydachniy) capable of anything resembling long range operations, and only then if it is supported by another nation’s replenishment. Add to that one, maybe TWO operational Grisha Corvettes.

The World Bank gave them a loan for 4 new corvettes that will be built in Mykolaiv, but only one has been started, not expected to be launched until 2017.


11 posted on 03/09/2014 7:31:39 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

That’s a sorry looking (former?) airbase in the picture.


12 posted on 03/09/2014 7:33:24 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Former Fetus

So blast the hulk out of the way. Get your crew some target practice.


13 posted on 03/09/2014 7:59:40 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: Paladin2
Dredge a path around.

Tunnel under it.

14 posted on 03/09/2014 8:05:12 PM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

that just make it harder to remove later. its in a prime spot in the port, and has to be raised. thats easier when it’s more intact.

doesn’t seem like firing off anything would make much of a difference here. this is Czarist territory, and enough of the people are Russians to win any referenda on the topic of independence.

be a shame if WWIII started over some random gesture by Nikita Khrushchev..


15 posted on 03/09/2014 8:23:53 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: sefarkas

Those was my thoughts as well when I saw the map. It shouldn’t be THAT hard to do.


16 posted on 03/09/2014 8:33:02 PM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: PAR35

Isn’t it?

That area was the HQ and training center for the Soviet Amphibious forces. You can see the hovercraft landing docks if you look along the shore near the Ukrainian Naval port. (You can’t really call it a “Base”. There is no heavy equipment, just a (floating drydock.)

You can see that both sides of the entrance were at one time covered with launchers, as well as a large number of SAM sites.

Between here, and the Balaklava Sub Base, one wonders how many western intelligence operators died trying to find out what was there, only to find it open and abandoned now.


17 posted on 03/09/2014 9:27:32 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Slump Tester
It shouldn’t be THAT hard to do.

Because the Russkies after putting the effort into into blocking the channel will stand by and let them unblock it. C'mon Man!!

18 posted on 03/10/2014 12:25:46 AM PDT by xone
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To: null and void

that would affect also Romania, Bulgaria, Georgia and Turkey


19 posted on 03/10/2014 6:49:15 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos

Yeah. And? And an unfettered expansionist Russia won’t?


20 posted on 03/10/2014 8:57:00 AM PDT by null and void ( Obama is Law-Less because Republican "leaders" are BALL-LESS!!)
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To: RitchieAprile

Only because the non-Czarists were long since removed.

If the Ukraniane ships are to escape, they must blow the obstruction.


21 posted on 03/10/2014 5:04:54 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: RitchieAprile

Or they should scuttle their own ships, preferably enlarging the blockage and escape by dingy.


22 posted on 03/10/2014 5:05:52 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

escape? escape where? I can imagine the Istanbul port captain
trying to figure out mooring for a dozen leaking soviet era rustbuckets. Maybe some ship broker can get a few hryvnas
per ton as scrap for all their vessels.

The EU might donate a few Boston Whalers to replace them.


23 posted on 03/10/2014 7:00:43 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: null and void
it won't affect Romania or Bulgaria. Russia is not expansionist -- it views Ukraine as the birthplace of it's civilisation, just as the Serbs viewed kosovo as their country's birthplace

Turkey is different -- it's been Russia's enemy since 1453 and the fall of constantinople -- Russia see's itself as conquering that city.

Romania and Bulgaria are fellow Orthodox and not so close as Ukrainians (who are heavily related to Muscowites)

24 posted on 03/11/2014 4:59:13 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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